THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 3 May Be Pushed to 2017

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You’d be forgiven for forgetting that a movie called The Amazing Spider-Man 2 actually came out this year.  In fact, it opened in theaters just over a month ago.  Though Sony’s villain-packed sequel wasn’t a total bomb at the box office, its worldwide total of $699.1 million is nearly $60 million short of the first film, and it marks a series low for the franchise; for the first time in history an X-Men movie is poised to surpass Spider-Man.  This isn’t a Wild Wild West-style disaster, but given that Sony was touting a massive interconnected Spider-Man franchise with two more sequels already dated and spinoffs for The Sinister Six and Venom in active development, one has to wonder if the studio may be rethinking its strategy post-The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

According to a new report, that may be exactly what they’re doing, as word comes that The Amazing Spider-Man 3 might be delayed to an unspecified date in 2017.  More after the jump.

the-amazing-spider-man-2-dane-dehaan-1At the bottom of a report on the recent DC/Warner Bros. news, AICN’s Jeremy Smith dropped the following nugget:

I have been told that THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 3 has been moved to an undetermined date in 2017.

Marc Webb, who directed the first two films, was confirmed to return as the director of Spidey 3 earlier this year, and Sony has a June 10, 2016 release date staked out for the film (and May 4, 2018 for The Amazing Spider-Man 4).  With the script already written by Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, all signs were pointing towards production of The Amazing Spider-Man 3 kicking off late this year or early next year, but we’ve heard absolutely zilch since Spider-Man 2 opened to brutal reviews and disappointing box office.  As such, it’s not hard to believe that Sony might want to take a breath and rethink its strategy, therefore pushing The Amazing Spider-Man 3 to 2017.

The studio previously stated its intention to release a new Spider-Man film every year starting in 2016, and I wonder if they might try to rush The Sinister Six or Venom into production first and give one of those movies the 2016 slot.  Sinister Six writer/director Drew Goddard recently left Marvel’s Daredevil Netflix show citing scheduling issues, and Alex Kurtzman has been attached to direct Venom for some time.

the-amazing-spider-man-3-andrew-garfieldAgain, though, Sony is almost certainly reconsidering its approach, and the villains were the most widely lambasted aspect of The Amazing Spider-Man 2.  Putting out a villain-only Spider-Man movie might not be the best way to reinvigorate the franchise.  Andrew Garfield is the MVP of the series and Webb excels at the character driven stuff, so my suggestion for The Amazing Spider-Man 3 would be to slash the budget, limit the movie to one villain, and focus on a smaller-scale, more personal story for Peter Parker.  Perhaps the demise of Gwen Stacy could provide some inspiration?

Of course none of this is confirmed so it’s still possible that we could see The Amazing Spider-Man 3 move forward as planned, but I can’t imagine Sony isn’t making at least some changes before they release the next Spider-Man movie—whatever that may be.




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  • doug

    It would be better off getting pushed under the rug……or off of a cliff onto some katana swords.

    • Solgazer

      Definitely. Or perhaps just push back the release date till one day after the 10 year rights clause expires, let the rights revert back to Marvel and watch them pay attention to the franchise rather than seeing it as simply a cash cow without concern for story or character or brains or anything else that might define what is generally considered important in a good movie.

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      • ethomson92

        Wth, I thought it was 5 years

  • doug

    It would be better off getting pushed under the rug……or off of a cliff onto some katana swords.

  • eternalozzie

    As much as I loved the Garfield/Webb movies over the comical Raimi films is it time to reboot? A lot of the problem here is the costs of the films were too much … I know all the movie/comic nerds here hated the films but they aren’t the ones generating the ticket sales … maybe Spider-man just isn’t that interesting to the public any more.

    • ScratStitch

      They only cost so much because Webb has no idea how to shoot a big budget movie without a lot of money NOT ending up on the screen.

      • axalon

        Not that I disagree with you because I don’t, but are there actual stories of this?

    • Solgazer

      But they are terrible movies in almost any way you can describe.
      They require a Red Letter Media breakdown just to outline the inane stupidity on display.

      • Guest

        Raimi doesn’t insult the fans’ intelligence at least.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        Emo dancing Toby Maguire begs to differ. And sympathetic, uncle killing, Sandman to top it off (another sympathetic villian for Spider-man to fight?). Yea Raimi insulted his fans w SM3. Loved the 1st two as they are the gold standard in the SM films but I’ll gladly take Webbs/Garfield’s version over the 3rd film any day.

      • Merlin235

        I’ll take ASM over S3 any day too, but not ASM2. That was no good.

      • Andrew Sanders

        Yeah,S3 was overblown,venom was wasted & don’t get me started on that awful emo/dancing stuff,which was frankly beyond embarrassing,…but i’d take that(at least,the good bits!)over the crappy ASM anyday! I bypassed ASM2 for that reason.
        I am interested in a Sinister Six movie,…as long as it’s not rushed & done properly.
        S2 still holds the crown for best Spiderman movie so far!

      • Merlin235

        Agree with all of that….except I got suckered into seeing ASM2.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        Remember that Spider-Man 3 was originally going to have Sandman as the main villain, Raimi was forced to shoe-horn in Venom.

        I don’t have a problem with sympathetic villains, if they’re done right, that is.

        The “emo dancing” by Tobey Maguire was odd, but it was actually an interesting way to show a change in the personality of the character (I believe it was due to the Venom symbiote, but it’s been a while since I saw it, so don’t hold me to it).

        For my money, any of the Raimi films are preferable to the Webb ones.

        I saw the first Amazing Spider-Man, and like I felt after seeing the second Transformers films; no good could come of it.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        Raimi’s SM3 was the 1st film I remember walking out of feeling disapointed to where I actually had to rewatch the 2nd film to wash the taste out of my mouth. All of the good will and great story that he built in the 1st two movies was completely undone. What a waste of Harry Osbourn after building his character up for two movies to be turned into nothing – no green goblin nor hobgoblin but something that was just silly and time wasting. I was honestly glad they rebooted the series. I am however, disapointed that they haven’t perfected what makes Spider-Man special. Raimi’s sequel did a great job of that but that is only 1 film out of 5 films. I applaud Webb for trying to make his sequel feel like an actual comic book movie and he does a great job of creating intimate moments w his lead characters but I feel that it’s Sony exec’s meddling that made the film suffer (just as they did w Raimi’s 3rd film – too many cooks in the kitchen). Had they stuck to the plan and made the films smaller and more intimate they would have succeeded. But instead they got big eyes once they realized that The Avengers was going to be a $1B film and bloated the budget and tried to make their series match them.
        My hopes is that they scale it down and have a singular focus on one (maybe two at the most) villians for the sequel while planting small easter eggs for possible build-ups later that don’t feel unnecessary of forced – like Dr. Conners in Raimi’s films.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        The point you raise about Sony attempting to make The Amazing Spider-Man somehow like The Avengers is an interesting one, though I don’t necessarily see the logic because The Avengers is the culmination of four entirely different franchises, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America.

        There’s nothing (at this point) that Sony can do that’s comparable because they haven’t yet made enough of an investment in their universe to bring it about.

        Which is why the whole ‘Sinister Six’ thing bugs me. As opposed to taking their time, and gradually introducing the villains (Spider-Man against the Goblin warranted it’s own movie, as did Electro. And the Rhino).

        Once you introduce them to viewers in a manner that gives each a bit of the spotlight, THEN you introduce the Sinister Six.

        As it stands, I feel the Rhino got barely 15 minutes of fame because they shoe-horned him into the movie, without so much as a why the hell is this guy the Rhino, anyway?

        Part of Sam Raimi making his villains sympathetic–besides him liking sympathetic villains, that is–is because he’s trying to make them human, so that no matter how bad they get, the audience sympathizes with them a bit, as opposed to caricatures.

        And sure, it would have been a nice change of pace to have Raimi have a villain become a villain just because he liked the benefits lots of money could bring (like most every villain Spider-Man fought in the comics) I guess he wanted a criminal that was, at heart, a good person

        And they also need to get rid of Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman as writers because you can just tell that they don’t know anything about Spider-Man, and seemingly don’t care to learn.

      • odvan

        The reason why Sony dropped SM4 because Raimy was asking more time for developing movie so it wouldn’t be a mess like SM3. We knew the outcome, Raimy was right. Besides SM3 is quite good, it has wonderful moments, and of course director Raimy >> Webb.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        To be fair, I think Marc Webb is stronger when it comes to character-driven pieces. The thing is Sam Raimi has always been involved with effects-heavy film making. Even while The Evil Dead may not have been state of the art even at the time it was made, it still showed Raimi how to work with special effects.

        And his use of them has only grew, making him pretty adept at integrating them into his productions.

        While the first effects-heavy film Mark Webb ever handled was The Amazing Spider-Man. He’s quite talented ((500) Days of Summer is awesome) but not quite up to the task.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        I remember how the next morning, after going to a midnight showing of S3, making eye contact with my friends who’d also done that, and all of us just shaking our heads in disappointment. No words were necessary.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        hahaha exactly. It’s like in college when your roommates cheer you for getting laid by high fiving you. And then the door opens and a fat girl comes out of the door and immeadiatly all eye contact is lost and the room goes silent. Spider-Man 3 was my fat girl.

      • Person

        LMAO that’s actually the best review I’ve ever seen for Spider-Man 3 (or any movie).

      • Lol

        You never got laid brah.

      • Merlin235

        The ‘emo dancing’ didn’t work for one reason: Batman Begins. People were expecting a dark film, but what they got was a dark Spider-man film. What happens when the symbiote takes over Peter (a naive nerd) is different than what happens when it takes over Eddie Brock (an angry jerk). People didn’t like that contrast, they were expecting the gritty realism of Batman Begins.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        You’re writing as if Spider-Man 3 wasn’t successful, box-office or audience-wise. It actually earned over $890 million, which considering how expensive it was to produce ($258 million) was a pretty good return.

        And critically, the most commonly-held criticism was that there were too many villains, something Marc Webb doesn’t seem to appreciate.

        Though I think that I can understand why Sony got rid of Raimi. He has said in interviews that he couldn’t quite get the story to work, and I believe that’s part of it.

        Though I suspect that the other part is that each of his Spider-Man films was more expensive than the one one before it.

        At that rate they would have soon arrived at the point where they would have had to make something like a billion dollars to just make a profit.

        Though why Sony didn’t do smaller for Marc Webb’s movies is a bit beyond my understanding.

      • Merlin235

        It’s kind of semantics, right? Discussing boxoffice returns? I agree it wasn’t a flop like Elektra or Battleship. But it had a 63% Rottentomatos rating and a 51% viewer rating, compared to 94% and 81% for Spider-man 2. So there was some blowback. I know personally I don’t re-watch that film, but I can put Sp1 and Sp2 on and watch them anytime.

        Raimi wanted to redeem himself for Sp3, which is a well known fact. I think they rebooted because of the Nolan Batman series. They wanted something more ‘grounded’ and not as colorful/playful as what Raimi was doing.

      • Seachai Chan

        Have Sam Raimi and Marc Webbs direct for Tobey Maguire’s Spider-man together, I’m pretty sure if that happened right now, everybody would easily forget about Andrew.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        Perhaps. My point was that Spider-Man 3 was a successful film. It may not have been liked as much as the prior entries, but it was by no means unsuccessful.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        My point with siting box office is that Spider-Man 3 wasn’t a flop. By definition, for a movie to be a flop means that it’s unsuccessful at the box office.

        Therefore, Spider-Man 3 is in no way a flop because that would mean that it wasn’t financially successful. You can say that critics didn’t like it–many didn’t–but that’s not what a flop traditionally is.

        For instance, Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen had a 19% on Rottentomatoes, while Spider-Man 3 got a 63%–which is actually really good, especially for the type of film that it is–yet the Transformers movie almost earned $900 million worldwide.

        If that’s your definition of a flop, it’s one that you share alone.

        As I said, you may not have liked Spider-Man 3 despite having a decent Rottentomatoes rating, but there’s no way that you can call it a flop.

      • Merlin235

        Like I said, semantics.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        Now that I think about it, not at all. Words have meanings. When you’re talking about a car, you don’t expect to see someone ride up on an elephant.

        A flop is a movie that fails at the box office. It could be the most god-awful movie ever (which Spider-Man 3 wasn’t. Not even close) but if it was profitable, then it wasn’t a flop.

        It could even perform below expectations, but it still wouldn’t be a flop.

        See, it’s simple.

        In other words, Spider-Man 3 was not a flop. Therefore it’s not semantics at all, you’re just wrong.

      • Merlin235

        To you, ‘flop’ means ” less box office receipts than the budget + marketing.” To others, it means something else. If a movie makes less than its predecessor but still makes money, is that a success? If the original earned more as a % of budget, when does it change from ‘disappointing’ to a flop? I understand what you’re saying, but you seem to be hung up on two misconceptions:

        1) I don’t believe I ever called the movie a ‘flop’. Those were your words.
        2) You don’t get to decide what ‘flop’ means. The studio obviously wasn’t pleased with Sp3, regardless of what you and I say: they promptly fired Raimi and rebooted the franchise.

      • Seachai Chan

        And the franchise has turned out to be worse and less successful than the Raimi franchise.

        And you also have an asshole Peter in the movies now…

      • Werefon

        But would you take TASM 2 instead of S3? TASM 2 is complete shit. S3 at least guilty pleasure.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        SM3 was only guilt. No pleasure. Honestly, yes I enjoyed TASM2 over SM3. At least it had the guts to kill Gwen Stacey.

      • Werefon

        Well, we are all making mistakes)

        SM 3 is definitely better film than TASM 2.
        First of all, producers forced 3 villains at Raimi just as they did to Webb.

        But Raimi still introduced new villains and ended they storys. There was a resolution, maybe sometimes not the best one, but he did it.

        Webb didn’t. He wasn’t able to give any time to villains, cutting away to far from Electro to a pointless scenes that are usually cut out of the film. Even when Electro wakes up, he cut away for a long time to get back to him walking down the street. He rushed Green Goblin too late in the film. Basically he is not established but he shows up, magic suit heals him, he kills Gwen. Yeah, stupid shit right there.

        Oh, speaking of Magic Suit, Norman made it, it’s healing from unseen mutations and many other stuff and it worked, right? Why the Hell he didn’t use it himself and died? Yeah, stupid shit right there.

        Not that Raimi didn’t have stupid moments but TASM 2 is even worse than Emmirich Godzilla and the worst Spidey movie yet.

      • Seachai Chan

        And you forgot to include that it didn’t have Andrew Garfield in there.

      • Werefon

        He wasn’t that bad in TASM 1 as he is in TASM 2. No hate for him but Toby wasn’t definitive Spidey either. Actually combination of both will be GREAT. BUT Raimis Peter was more likable and overall picture is more positive than TASM version.

      • Seachai Chan

        I agree. We just need a third actor who can mix the two together to give you your real Peter Parker/Spider-man now.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        I agree. Spider-Man 3 was a bit over-stuffed, and odd at times, but The Amazing Spider-Man, as far as I am concerned, was a remarkable letdown, and it’s sequel borderline unwatchable.

      • Merlin235

        See, we can agree on some things. ;)

      • milo

        The dancing was one scene out of three movies. And in general, SM3 wasn’t the movie Raimi wanted to make, he was forced to do a number of things he didn’t want by Sony. Shame they didn’t let him do a fourth and go back to doing it his way to finish up that particular version on a high note.

      • Seachai Chan

        Even a Spider-man fan who roughly has experience with comic books for 8 years told me that Tobey was getting the quips of Spidey in Spider-man 3, this leads me to believe that he would’ve improved in Spider-man 4, but Sony has always been that greedy corporation in the end.. “GET IT DONE BY OUR TIME WE TELL YOU TO OTHER WISE NO MOVIES FOR THE FANS.”

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        Emo dancing Toby Maguire begs to differ. And sympathetic, uncle killing, Sandman to top it off (another sympathetic villian for Spider-man to fight?). Yea Raimi insulted his fans w SM3. Loved the 1st two as they are the gold standard in the SM films but I’ll gladly take Webbs/Garfield’s version over the 3rd film any day.

  • eternalozzie

    As much as I loved the Garfield/Webb movies over the comical Raimi films is it time to reboot? A lot of the problem here is the costs of the films were too much … I know all the movie/comic nerds here hated the films but they aren’t the ones generating the ticket sales … maybe Spider-man just isn’t that interesting to the public any more.

  • Alboone

    It’s all old hat. We’ve seen what Spidey can do. Swinging through buildings. Using his web shooters in clever ways. NYC in peril! This is a road that’s been travelled way too many times. The best thing they can do at this point is tell a small contained story or just license him out to Marvel Studios for a one film appearance and build off from the goodwill it could possibly generate if he joins up with the Avengers.

    • Leo Spaceman

      Unless Spiderman 1 and 2 is set about 4 years in the past, it just doesn’t fit in the MCU mainly because the second movie went out of its way to say the only weird thing to happen in New York was a bunch of guys turning into lizards and a rogue vigilante running around. Super heroes fighting an alien invasion in New York just never happened.

      On second thought that really isn’t a bad idea and in the comic world that might be the best way they could retcon this Spiderman into the MCU universe. It would be kind of a cheap comic book move, but Whedon could definitely pull it off. They could do a few Marvel One Shots to show Spiderman in Brooklyn fighting some of the aliens that broke Starks perimeter to fix the Universe. Also 30 year Garfield would make more sense playing Spiderman in his late twenties than a recent highschool grad. A few years is enough time to be ready to love again. It really would make sense to have Spiderman be one of the first Super heroes and yes bigger and stronger heroes like Thor or hulk showed up after him.

      But doing that would make it one more studios hand in the pot which would make things even more disjointed trying to fit Shield into the mix.

      • Leo Spaceman

        It would be a bit of cheap move, but I would also like to see something similar for Wolverine. Just have him be a stranger who has been traveling since experiencing a “miracle” a century ago. You don’t need to go into detail, a lot of people know his back story and in the comic world, most people don’t worry to hard about why one character is in another comic book property, just enjoy it. Marvel has the rights to use the characters that appears in the Avengers, just not the right to call them mutants. Hugh Jackman commitment to fox will be over in 2016 and he would be free to sign with Marvel for 2017 Avengers 3 but that being said, I know Jackman doesn’t want to have to maintain his body for much longer and beyond doubt his final go as Logan should be an Xmen movie.

        Its comics man, F**k logic, let’s just have some fun. Talking Raccoons and Walking trees are considered thugs for F**is sake.

      • Leo Spaceman

        It would be a bit of cheap move, but I would also like to see something similar for Wolverine. Just have him be a stranger who has been traveling since experiencing a “miracle” a century ago. You don’t need to go into detail, a lot of people know his back story and in the comic world, most people don’t worry to hard about why one character is in another comic book property, just enjoy it. Marvel has the rights to use the characters that appears in the Avengers, just not the right to call them mutants. Hugh Jackman commitment to fox will be over in 2016 and he would be free to sign with Marvel for 2017 Avengers 3 but that being said, I know Jackman doesn’t want to have to maintain his body for much longer and beyond doubt his final go as Logan should be an Xmen movie.

        Its comics man, F**k logic, let’s just have some fun. Talking Raccoons and Walking trees are considered thugs for F**is sake.

      • Alboone

        At this point it’s all about brand management. Right now the brand is in trouble. It needs an injection of excitement, if it means piggybacking on a competitors franchise that’s solidly healthy then you tuck in your pride and make the deal.

    • Merlin235

      You and I are of one mind. I’ve been making that argument as well. Sony licensing out Spidey for an Avengers film would be a huge shot in the arm for them. Plus it would gain some good will from fans who have been salivating over that type of cross-over for years.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        That’s an interesting idea, though I don’t know if Marvel Studios would go along with it. It all depends on how much they earn for allowing Sony to use the character.

        This is crucial because if they’re making enough bank by allowing Sony and Fox to use their characters, they why rock the boat? If they succeed, in a very real sense Marvel does as well.

        In fact, if they fail Marvel succeeds too, because it makes the likelihood significantly higher that they Fox or Sony will lose the license to some of Marvel’s most famous characters.

        The only evidence of this is when Sony decided that they wanted The Sinister Six movie to start ramping up (in terms of getting a script written, and so on) Marvel let Drew Goddard go–keep in mind he was probably contractually obligated to do Daredevil–though he’s still executive producing, with Steven McKnight handling the day-to-day.

        Now, Marvel may have let Goddard go out of the goodness of their hearts–I doubt it, but it’s possible.

        That being said, the more likelier story is that it was in their best interests to do so, which implies that they are making money from those films.

        It’s only a question of how much.

      • Guest

        I would like to keep telling you this though, Andrew and Emma just doesn’t work for me as Peter and Gwen. All of this hype for those two is ridiculous and weird.

      • 7992

        someone should start a petition to sony saying we wont watch another spiderman film until they license spidey out to avengers3

  • Alboone

    It’s all old hat. We’ve seen what Spidey can do. Swinging through buildings. Using his web shooters in clever ways. NYC in peril! This is a road that’s been travelled way too many times. The best thing they can do at this point is tell a small contained story or just license him out to Marvel Studios for a one film appearance and build off from the goodwill it could possibly generate if he joins up with the Avengers.

  • Huey

    Great news, TaSM 1 & 2 were even worse than Spider-Man 3. These execs funding the movies get the idea they know how to write a story. They don’t. It has never and will never work. But they’ll never learn. Cunts.

    • World’s Finest Comments

      Spider-Man (2002)
      Spider-Man 2 (2004)
      Spider-Man 3 (2007)

      The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)
      The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)
      The Amazing Spider-Man 3 (2017)… I don’t like the pattern I’m seeing…

      • ethomson92

        Except there’s still a good chance that they won’t do a third reboot if the next movie (and the spinoffs) underperforms too

      • World’s Finest Comments

        Underperform or not, it’s still made nearly $700 mil worldwide, and that’s still a hell of a profit…

      • milo

        Not really all that much considering it cost 255M to make (that’s just filming, not counting things like advertising and other expenses), and the studio only gets part of that 700M. With a smaller cut overseas than here in the USA.

        Sure it made a bit of profit, but not a hell of a lot.

  • jack

    What they should do is get somebody to run this interconnected universe that actually understands the character. In TASM 1 & 2′s defense it certainly seemed like there was another story they tried to tell in both films that got shot down by the execs. Sony’s micromanagement screwed the story

  • jack

    What they should do is get somebody to run this interconnected universe that actually understands the character. In TASM 1 & 2′s defense it certainly seemed like there was another story they tried to tell in both films that got shot down by the execs. Sony’s micromanagement screwed the story

  • Jan

    They should discard this franchise like those imperfect babies at the beginning of 300.

    • Sony goin bankrupt

      Just sell it back to Marvel ffs… He belongs with the MCU

      • World’s Finest Comments

        If Marvel had Spider-Man and X-Men, that’s the only movies they would be making and we would never be getting films like Guardians, Doctor Strange or even The Avengers maybe.
        Not having the rights to those characters was a blessing in disguise.

      • Peter Parker

        True, but now that the MCU has been established, I’d like all of the rights to come back, especially Spidey and Fantastic Four. X-Men can stay where it is, but the other two need to go back. The studios already had plenty of chances to try their hands with those characters. I want to see Marvel proper do them

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        Marvel doesn’t even make “proper” films w their own properties – see Iron Man 3 regarding the Mandarin (Iron Man’s greatest enemy squandered as a british actor so another “corporate tycoon” can be the real villian – F’ing brilliant smh).
        No it’s honestly better to have different studios handling the properties as it creates competition and forces each studio to come up with more creative ways to keep their franchises alive. Yes, it sacrifices the fact that we may never get to see Spider-Man standing next to the Avengers but at least Sony will have to go back to the drawing board and find a more inventive way to keep audiences returning and give us a film sooner rather than later.

      • Werefon

        It wasn’t a Mandarin.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        ? He claimed to be the Mandarin for 3/4 of the movie and then….*poof* he’s a British speaking actor who is just hammered and is a puppet for some corporate tycoon who is actually the villian.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        You’re misinterpreting what happened (deliberately or not, I have no idea) because what you wrote didn’t happen that way at all.

        Aldrich Killian only called himself ‘Mandarin’ later in the movie.

        Prior to that, Trevor Slattery was posing as the Mandarin because it was a distraction from Killian’s own agenda, which revolved around Extremis and capturing the President.

        What you seem to be confused about was that Killian or Slattery were NEVER, AT ANY POINT, the Mandarin.

        It’s called misdirection. Killian used Slattery as a distraction, for his real plans, and claimed to be the Mandarin as well.

        Still pretty clear.

        And that would have been the end of it, till “All Hail The King” revealed that not only was the organization known as The Ten Rings still active, but the Mandarin was as well.

        And he, I should say “they” since I have no idea of the Mandarin’s sex, was pissed everyone was using their name.

        Simple, and actually pretty clever.

      • Werefon

        He still wasn’t the Mandarin. He never intended to be. It was planned as a twist.

        Mandarin is out there. And he will show up at some point.
        You think why Trevor underwent plastic surgery to look that way exactly. And why real one is really angry for that and break him out of a jail for Punishment.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        You’re kidding, right? How can you judge a movie entirely by one plot twist? Iron Man 3 was a pretty good movie. I would have liked it more, but I prefer my Iron Man more Iron Man-centric, as opposed to Tony Stark-centrc.

        Would it have been cool to see the Mandarin as he is pictured in comics? Of course, though I think that the better question is if the movie a let-down if it wasn’t.

        And I’d have to say that the answer is an unequivocal “No.”

        And if the movies based on Marvel characters have shown us anything, is that no one can use those characters better than Marvel.

        The Sony Spider-Man films were good under Raimi (despite the presence of Spider-Man 3), and pretty mediocre (and that’s being charitable) under Marc Webb.

        The X-Men movies have been a veritable roller coaster. The Bryan Singer films being the most watchable, followed by Matthew Vaughn’s effort, and then Brett Ratner.

        That being said, I still don’t think the X-Men franchise is being managed very well, though light-years better than Spider-Man.

    • LEM

      Look what happened when someone let one of them live….really bites ya in the ass.

  • Jan

    They should discard this franchise like those imperfect babies at the beginning of 300.

  • chosen1

    ….and that awful Phillip Phillips montage…

    • Kieren

      THAT is what put me over the edge. I have never eyerolled so hard in my life.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        Really? That made you eyeroll harder than ever? Not even emo dancing Peter Parker? Nor the Bat-credit cards?

      • Seachai Chan

        At least the dancing Peter doesn’t stutter in those movies, and he’s American.

      • Pk

        Yeah what’s up with that? He and Dane dehaan as well as Jamie foxx are the worst thing to come out of that movie

      • Seachai Chan

        Someone needs to get rid of Garfield before Spider-man airs on Netflix as its own series after this.

    • Pk

      What Philip Philips montage?

    • Pk

      What Philip Philips montage?

  • jackd

    this franchise has a lot of potential. make TASM3 and 4 smaller films and make the fifth a large scale spidey film an event like the avengers. then again 6 and 7 small and 8 big and so on.

  • GrimReaper07

    Adam you should put a spoiler warning in there. I haven’t seen TAS2 yet and though I had heard of what happens in the end, other might not.

  • GrimReaper07

    Adam you should put a spoiler warning in there. I haven’t seen TAS2 yet and though I had heard of what happens in the end, other might not.

  • gar216

    I didn’t hate TASM2. I actually liked it, for what it was. 2 hours of entertainment, nothing more. I just think that people are expecting every comic book movie to hit the $800 million mark and it isn’t going to happen. Plus, our viewing habits are changing. This movie will sell well on Blu Ray, DVD and Digital.

    • Manuel Orozco

      I’m with you

  • gar216

    I didn’t hate TASM2. I actually liked it, for what it was. 2 hours of entertainment, nothing more. I just think that people are expecting every comic book movie to hit the $800 million mark and it isn’t going to happen. Plus, our viewing habits are changing. This movie will sell well on Blu Ray, DVD and Digital.

  • NICK НΛRT

    ugh just sell it to marvel, for the love of stan lee

  • justkiddingnobutseriously

    I’m an optimist when it comes to movies that are the least bit enjoyable. In which case, TASM2 sucked total ass. Acting was good, but the writing and directing were laughable.

    • Seachai Chan

      Don’t be offended by this comment, but I don’t like any of the actors in this franchise. You are entitled to your own opinion, remember that.

      • LEM

        Don’t be offended because you don’t like an actor? this is why we live in the age of the fake apology.

      • justkiddingnobutseriously

        None taken I didn’t like them all either. I said that so as not to blame the actors for a terrible movie.

      • Seachai Chan

        It doesn’t matter how terrible the movie was. These casts are just so weird, ask everybody else who agrees with me above you. Not to mention, Peter Parker is degraded to an emo skateboarding stalker who could’ve super-modeled on an Ambercrombie poster instead.

      • justkiddingnobutseriously

        I don’t disagree with you. Raimi’s trilogy is still the one to beat in terms of Spiderman and imo had way better casting. Webb also needs to go. I see nothing special about him.

  • Person

    Perfectly understandable – they need another year to cram in as much moronic crap as they possibly can.

  • ScratStitch

    NOOOOOOOO!!! Oh, wait, I forgot. Nobody cares.

  • ScratStitch

    NOOOOOOOO!!! Oh, wait, I forgot. Nobody cares.

  • Tom

    I was actually optimistic about the movie despite the trailers showing what was essentially the entire plot but TASM2 was garbage. Sony should sell the franchise back to Marvel.

  • jk

    REBOOT!! they should reboot the franchise again and call it “the fantastic spiderman” with the same old storyline! i love it!

  • TigerFIST

    Instead of being pushed back to 2017 it needs to be pushed back to Marvel/Disney b/c the amazing spiderman 2 sucked ass!

  • Dmula

    I thought TASM2 looked dreadful from the trailers and I know most of you agree it really was.After I saw it i actually enjoyed it,yes it had some faults but I liked it.

  • doop

    Just frickin sell it, Sony.

    • Royale With Cheese

      This is probably the best advice they have ever gotten considering their track record but making terrible superhero movies and staying somewhat relevant as the ugly stepchild of the comic book film developing studios is still more profitable than being completely irrelevant and not making any superhero movies.

    • 80sRobot

      Realistically, I bet the asking price for the rights would approach (but be less) what Lucas sold Star Wars for (which was over $4 billion).

    • Farrell

      No, because then they’d have to admit they don’t know what they’re doing. Not a chance.

  • Royale With Cheese

    Good, put as much space as you can between this horrific stinker and the next Spider-Man. I’m not watching another one of these Spider-Man films either way. Fool me once, twice but three times? No, thank you.

  • Seachai Chan

    Good luck, they won’t make it that far. Not everyone likes Webb/Garfield.. and the quality of these films don’t match the standards of the Raimi/Tobey films.

    Solution: Give it back to Marvel so they can reboot it on their own.

    • Brian Martin

      Never gonna happen. Sorry.

      • milo

        For sony to keep the property they need to keep cranking out movies every few years. At some point they’re not going to be able to make profitable ones any more. If they’re smart they’ll make an offer to Marvel before the franchise gets bad enough that they lose it because they can’t afford to make any more movies.

      • Brian Martin

        Marvel Studios has enough on their plate at the moment.

    • jack

      marvel wouldn’t use spiderman for a long time .kevin feige has said that even if he were to get some of the property such as spiderman back he would wait because he feels the character already had enough films for the decade

      • Seachai Chan

        Is it illegal for me to commit suicide if Garfield’s Spider-man is in the Avengers? I swear to lord, Sony’s IQ is as low as 0 and probably isn’t aware of the split audience.

      • Pk

        Jacks right. Even if ms gets back Spider-Man back it’s best they wait. They have enough on their plate now. Though even if they were introducing him, I rather they went with miles morales.

  • Manuel Orozco

    If they are pushing it to 2017 to go back to the drawing boards and figure out what they did wrong the only thing unreasonable about it is the ten year gap

    • milo

      Doubtful it’s a ten year gap, ASM came out five years after Spidey 3 so that’s probably the window. Supposedly Raimi wanted more time for 3 and they couldn’t give it to him based on the contract, it would also make sense that they’d wait longer before a reboot unless the contract absolutely forced them to make a new one that fast.

      • Manuel Orozco

        Problem we have with executives these days they make money and ruin themselves with franchise eyes

  • The Flobbit

    I’d be perfectly happy to see it pushed all the way back to 3017, if we keep getting films of this recent quality.

    • Werefon

      Yeah, at that point people would get stupid enough to like that movie, right?

      • The Flobbit

        By that time we might have a decent script…

      • Seachai Chan

        They’re better off just sending it back to Marvel and recast everyone. Sony fucked this up really bad.

      • Seachai Chan

        They’re better off just sending it back to Marvel and recast everyone. Sony fucked this up really bad.

    • Seachai Chan

      I’ll be getting cancer in less than 5 years.

      • The Flobbit

        If that is true, then I’m sorry for you.

  • Avery Merrick

    23 Jump Street can be the film that replaces Spider-Man 3 in that release date.

  • The Flobbit

    All this talk of selling the rights…I don’t want Spidey to be owned by Marvel. I don’t want Marvel to have a monopoly on all superhero films, especially given their recent slump in quality (bar Winter Soldier). I want a new director and a new exec at the helm, and Spider-Man can be cool again.

    • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

      “I want a new director and a new exec at the helm, and Spider-Man can be cool again.” – VP at Sony who then hired Webb.

      • Seachai Chan

        We can’t be directing any Spider-man movies if only 50% of the audience is into Garfield and the other half isn’t. It wouldn’t really matter at this point. I’m not a huge fan of Garfield, I don’t know why you guys try so hard to make the people who don’t like him want to like him.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Is this still the imaginary VP talking or are you arguing with something I didn’t say?

      • Seachai Chan

        Oh look, my comment just got a thumbs up.. how fascinating. At least 1 person agrees with me.

        hmph hmph *coughs* New director and executives don’t mean shit if other people aren’t interested in the actors/actresses, that’s also a factor to include into a Spider-man movie, understand now?

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        You’re still disagreeing with something I didn’t say. Understand now?

      • Seachai Chan

        Whatever.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Joke.

        Your head.

  • Daniel-Son

    How can you call $700mil disapointing box office? Still it’d be nice if they did re assess their plans and I like your idea of a smaller scale, one villain film for ASM3. ASM2 would have been pretty good if they focused more on Electro and cut Rhino and Goblin.

    • Scurvy

      A) lowest grossing spiderman movie

      B) Marvel’s most popular character gets beat by 2nd tier Captain America. That’s like Batman being beat by Flash at the box office.

      C) most of that money is over seas where Sony gets less than half. Sony probably made 300 million of that 700 if they are lucky. After production and marketing, that’s not a lot of money.

      D) Sony doesn’t own the toy rights to Spiderman so that’s a huge revenue stream they don’t have access to.

      • milo

        And ASM2 supposedly cost 255M. 700M worldwide isn’t bad but when less than 200 is domestic they’re not getting that big a cut. It’s not a terrible return but considering the budget and the downward trend domestically and worldwide, it’s hardly good enough to justify sequels and spinoffs every two years if not more often.

      • Werefon

        They spent that just on a movie itself. Add to that $200 mil. more and you’ll see how they screwed up.

        Only argument I am hearing that it is good is Gwen’s head slam. So, what? It doesn’t make shit gold when you have one tragic moment that leads to nothing considering we got all jokey Spidey again by the end. Shit film is shit.

    • Werefon

      Yes, you can. They spent over $200 mil. Making the movie And $200 mil. More marketing it. To just break even they must’ve get $800 and to get profit close or over $900 mil.

      Yeah, at this point if they didn’t Learn a lesson about too many villains, they never will.

  • Kaine Morrison

    Am I the only one that hates the Raimi Trilogy?
    Seriously, all three were total shite!
    The got every single thing wrong with those movies.
    Amazing was also mediocre but at least Spider-Man was spouting off WiseCracks a lot.
    I went in expecting Amazing 2 to also be terrible but I really enjoyed it.

    • The Flobbit

      Am I the only one that hates Kaine Morrison?
      Seriously, he’s total shite!
      He got every single thing wrong with commenting.

  • MarvelWatch

    I could see them delaying just out of the scheduling mess that summer 2016 has become. (As it still officially stands, ASM3 would be the fourth superhero film released in a 36 day span, and would face Pixar’s Finding Dory the following week.)

  • LEM

    push it good….push it real good!

  • LEM

    push it good….push it real good!

  • Martin

    I don’t really understand the wild wild west reference. There are a lot of movies that are bigger flops .. Battleship, Mars needs Moms and a lot more … Anyway spiderman needs to be scraped from production … There are a lot of comic-book adaptations now, and everyone of them is better then Spidey… It’s only purpose is overcrowding the schedule and making comic-book adaptations less popular .. If i was Marvel i would have bought back the rights years ago and put it on a shelf for the next decade or two

  • TedSallis

    ASM2 was horrible. They should just scrap everything, wait a few years and……reboot. Because that’s what they do. It’d be better for everyone if they’d just go to Marvel Studios and say, look, we’ll sell it back for X amount of zeroes. But they won’t, they’ll hang on thinking they will somehow make money even though they haven’t figured out how to do that. Poor Spidey.

    • milo

      They can’t wait too long, the contract expires after a certain time without a Spidey movie. That’s what made this last reboot so tricky as well as any future attempts. People don’t want a reboot too fast but Sony has no choice if they want to keep the property.

  • TedSallis

    ASM2 was horrible. They should just scrap everything, wait a few years and……reboot. Because that’s what they do. It’d be better for everyone if they’d just go to Marvel Studios and say, look, we’ll sell it back for X amount of zeroes. But they won’t, they’ll hang on thinking they will somehow make money even though they haven’t figured out how to do that. Poor Spidey.

  • Drake

    I know people like to crap on the first TASM movie, but I personally loved it. But with that said, TASM 2 was the most pathetic failure of a superhero movie I have seen since Origins: Wolverine. So if this delay is to go back to the style of the first movie, I’m for it … I just feel like the decision would be 2 years and 1 movie too late.

    • jgiuffre

      I agree with you 100% I thought the first TASM was great, felt like the finally nailed the right tone of Spider-Man. They had all the right pieces to make this one awesome and completely fell flat on their faces.

      • Werefon

        Yes, the different tone was actually good. Also, a lot of Spidey stuff was shot with real stunts and it felt real.

        Did you notice how that realistic approach disappeared in TASM 2?
        I like how Webb said he decided the tonal shift. Yeah, very cute. That must be true.

    • Werefon

      I don’t hate TASM 1, second one is… FUCKING SHIT, just look at that, it fucking stinks. It is so bad that you feel how it stinks with your eyes.

  • Merlin235

    I don’t think the answer is delaying the 3rd film, the answer is to stop making crappy Spider-man movies. Sony is the new Fox when it comes to Spidey. They haven’t made a good film since Sp2 back in 2004. Wow, has it really been 10 years? Ouch, I’m getting old.

    I don’t want to see a reboot. I want to see them treat Harry better, I want to see fewer villains, and I want to see MJ. I want to see Peter attempt to deal with Gwen’s passing, I’d like to see Peter grow up into a man. I want to see Peter hold down a job other than being a photog. All of those things would be, to me, more interesting than watching a Sinister Six movie or another crappy sequel where they jam as many villains into the story, thereby making a mockery of their origin stories.

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    “Andrew Garfield is the MVP of the series and Webb excels at the character driven stuff…”

    Really? I suspect that one reason that the Amazing Spider-Man 2 pulled in such mediocre numbers is that Andrew Garfield isn’t nearly as interesting as some people think he is and that Marc Webb has bitten off more than he can chew.

    • Underground Anthem TX

      it’s an interesting discussion, to be sure. Garfield hasn’t actually been in that many movies for audiences to be overly-familiar with him, but I agree they are just not responding strongly to his Spider-Man. I think he’s kind of a cipher for audiences, really. He doesn’t seem to illicit a strong opinion from regular folks one way or another.

      I personally think he’s a decent actor, but I don’t particularly care for his portrayal of PP or Spider-Man. I feel that he tries to play it “cool” and angsty, and not sincerely. It may be a problem in the script, but I think his performance is also a factor. I don’t know if others feel the same way, or if they just have Spidey fatigue (same movie over and over). Either way, Sony has a lot of long meetings ahead.

    • Drake

      Andrew Garfield is not the reason Amazing Spider-Man 2 sucked… He was one of the only saving graces.

      • Seachai Chan

        You sir, have VERY poor reading skills.

  • Angel of Death

    …yeah…like that’s gonna help.

  • Angel of Death

    …yeah…like that’s gonna help.

  • http://www.rockydavies.com/ RockyDavies

    I can see I’m walking into a den of wolves, but I loved ASM2. I thought it was the best Spider-Man yet. None of the hate dissuades me from that or from saying that I thought it was the closest to the comics yet. Yes, I read the comics, I have since I was a little kid. I have many of them hanging on my walls and sitting on my bookshelf as I type this. I don’t think ASM2 was perfect, but a much better take than Raimi’s previous vision. I have a hard time buying Tobey and Kirsten as Peter and MJ, that never worked for me.

    That being said, I don’t mind them taking their time and coming up with a great new story and focus. I just hope they don’t think the answer is to go “dark and gritty.” Blah, Spider-Man is at its best when its fun and adventurous. Witty, not gritty. Keep it bright and fun.

  • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

    Critics giving worse reviews to AMS2 than what they gave to SM3 is proof that nostalgia googles and Raimi’s name attached to anything are a strong thing for them. You can see the Metascore and user ratings for AMS2 and compare them SM3: 7,4 and 53% against 6,3 and 58%. There is simply no way around this: critics lambasted the first one for being (or trying to be) “too dark and gritty” and now this gets lambasted for its lighthearted tone and even dared to compare this with Batman & Robin. The phrase “haters gonna hate” never rang so true as in this. Even if some people believes this, people who loved this movie are not few. Just as there is people who believe that Burton’s Batman is better than Nolan’s we have Raimi’s devotes. The difference is that, yes, it was a bit too soon. But I’ve never seen a movie so clearly embracing it’s comic book source material as this one in the framing, color palette and characterisation. I know I won’t change anybody’s opinion about this film and I won’t try anymore. But please, watch Raimi’s movies again objectively and you’ll see some glaringly weak and openly cringe-worthy character moments and dialogues, weak and cliched female characters (especially MJ) and lots of fan service. They are by no means terrible movies, but by today standards they are pretty average.

    • Seachai Chan

      They were directed at different time periods. Just that one sentence would counter your entire 1-2 paragraph argument right there.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        That is precisely my point! Read it again! Raimi’s films are well regarded because they were made at a time when the only decent comic book movies were Blade and X-Men and SM2 had it over Daredevil, Hulk and The Punisher with the only serious competitor being X2 (X2 it’s better in my opinion)! Today, ASM2 has to be measured against TDK trilogy, the MCU (which comprises 9 movies so far), Man of Steel, First Class (and Days of Future Past) and some other good movies that I’m missing. But, if Raimi’s trilogy is measured against the same movies ASM2 has to face, they wouldn’t be anything spectacular. Get it?

      • Seachai Chan

        They still are actually, because people like you and me are still talking about them right now. Did you miss out that too? Lol

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        Geez, man! According to that logic “Batman & Robin” is a spectacular movie too! As is “X-men The Last Stand”!

      • Seachai Chan

        The first two Spider-man movies I bet are much better than those two movies are. Some movies from the past today are still worth remembering, Spider-man 2 for example, it shows Peter’s true struggles through being a superhero and being a normal human being.

        The post Sam Raimi movies have been a fail so far, please just admit it fan boy.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        Peter’s true struggles? He can’t the girlfriend he wants, that’s the only thing he’s struggling with! He’s an idiot for not going to another newspaper to sell his picture for the money he deserves because he has no contract with The Buggle, he’s an idiot for staring to MJ’s billboards instead of delivering the f-ing pizzas he has to deliver and, strangely enough, after he loses his job as a delivery guy and regains his powers later on, we never see those struggles again neither in this movie nor the next. Also, MJ is one of the most shallow and selfish love interest I’ve ever seen in a movie: she resents Peter for not going repeatedly to her plays but he is the only one of the bunch she cites has gone to see her, that has a job! As I said, Rami’s movie are not bad movies but they are way overrated. Yes, there are several old movies worth revisiting today like the original Superman, but that doesn’t mean it is perfect. In fact, you can spot clearly some glaring tonal shifts. By today’s standards, that movie would not be as good as it was (and I’m not talking about VFX) because of that but when it premiered it was a huge event! Just like SM2.
        Also, if your main gripe with Garfield’s Spidey is that he is english then you have some big issues my friend.

      • Seachai Chan

        I’m only going to say this one more time, they came out at DIFFERENT time periods ok? If they came out today, the CGI and every thing would look much better than they were. And also if the director gets good writers, there wouldn’t be a need to hate on them by now. The only reason people hate on the original trilogy is because they’re all complaining about “Spidey didn’t make wise cracking jokes, that’s not the Spidey we knew from the comics, Andrew does the character better.” That’s the SAME BLATANT excuse I’ve been getting from the new trilogy fans every day. How anybody cannot see how boring this new guy is beyond me.. I don’t care, everybody sees things differently. I’d rather have new casts and new director one more time so both fan bases will stop arguing about this. Most importantly, it’s usually not the actor’s fault that he mislead the character, blame it on Raimi and the writers too. But their films were still more successful than any of Webb films have been so far.

        The story from Spider-man 2 about Peter losing his powers was excerpted from the comic book Amazing Spider-man No. 50.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        Damn, man! I don’t know if my english sucks, you can’t read english or you are so blinded that you fail to see I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT! I’m not talking about CGI, I’m not talking about the wise-cracking Spidey, I’m not talking BO, not even Raimi’s direction. I’m talking about writing! And that is something that can be judged 30 years ago or now! The scripts are average at best and very poor at worst! You can lift everything you want from the comics but if the script is no good it’s worthless! Raimi is great director because he manages to lift those scripts to something watchable. I didn’t like them when they came out, nor I like them now. Peter, beyond his appearance, had the same behavioural traits of a nerdy guy from the 60′s. Nerds today are very different and that’s what Webb and Garfield set out to do. If you don’t like it, it’s fine. But stop acting like people who like the new trilogy are wrong and you are right and everything you say is. Try to discuss things based on the script and not in your gut.

      • Werefon

        Only problem is he can’t get a girlfriend? Did you watch that film at all? He had tones of personal stuff to deal with in that film besides villain (that had logic behind he’s origin).

        Calling TASM 2 shit is really overrating it because its worse.

        Yeah, original trilogy better, deal with it. And it will be better until someone writes a better scripts, much-much better scripts for the new series, and get better director, much better director.

      • Seachai Chan

        AND ACTORS

      • Werefon

        I think your hatred for actors is just personal preference but anything besides that I agree. Sam RAIMI is better writer and director, his films are better, even SM 3 handled 3 villains better than TASM 2. TASM 2 couldn’t even handle 1 villain.
        Lizard talking to his own reflection was stolen from Raimis Goblin that was stolen from LOTR.

        People hating on Raimi but TASM still take his ideas for re-boot.)

      • Seachai Chan

        Get a third Peter/Spider-man. The perfect Peter/Spidey lies in between Tobey and Andrew.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Did you just call Man of Steel a good movie?

        You just went full retard.

        Never go full retard.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        Yes, I did. It’s a good movie, not perfect, but very good.

      • Aquartertoseven

        To any rational human being, no it’s not. It’s the definition of mediocre, the story and characters, the acting too, they were all so bad.

      • milo

        “Raimi’s films are well regarded because…”

        Why does there always have to be some sort of conspiracy theory about how a movie is bad but people have some sort of mass delusion and mistakenly think it’s good.

        I’d say Raimi’s films are well regarded because people honestly think they are good films. I still have issues with the first and third but consider Spidey 2 one of my favorite superhero movies ever. Same goes for ASM1 and 2, isn’t it possible people honestly didn’t like them, as opposed to some sort of “hater” bias or agenda?

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        OK, maybe it was poor phrasing. I don’t think Raimi’s films are bad. Just that they aren’t as good as people make of. There is a big part of nostalgia there. I’m fine with people not liking the new movies but it really angers me when people says “Raimi has to come back, Raimi is superior, Raimi’s films are perfect, the new ones are complete crap and if you think otherwise you are wrong”. I point out the things I did to try to prove that even if you think it’s the best superhero movie ever it has issues like every other movie and you can’t shove it my face that the movie I like has issues. Sadly, there is a big percentage of people not liking the new movies out of bias, criticis included, and we can’t deny that. Even if we assume for a moment that ASM2 is a mess, tonally and story-wise (for me it is not) it ludicrous to compare it to Batman & Robin or say that SM3 has a better constructed plot. There is simply no way you can objectively say that.
        I tried to tell the other guy all this but either he didn’t understood that (or he didn’t want to) or I couldn’t explain my case.

      • Werefon

        They as good as people make of. Why would tons of people say its good if it is not? They don’t say that Transformers are great because because of some sort of conspiracy.

        Raimi films are better.
        Was TASM 1 a bit better than SM 3? Yeah, by a bit.
        Is SM 3 better than TASM 2? Yeah, by more that TASM 1 better than SM 3.

        Still Original trilogy with its flawed is better.

    • Aquartertoseven

      Metascores, imdb and RT user ratings have changed a helluva lot over the years. Look at X-Men 2 and Spiderman 2, some of the best superhero films ever made, they have low scores on the likes of imdb, rt etc. because back then, the fanboys didn’t take over everything as they have now. Spiderman 3, as disappointing as it was, is a lot better than TASM.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        They don’t. Superman is still above 7 as is X2 and SM2. They change but not radically as you imply. They haven’t changed a lot. Can you please say how SM3 is better than ASM?

      • Aquartertoseven

        If X2 and Spiderman 2 were released now, they’d get high 8s or 9s. Right now their scores are comparable with mediocre garbage like TASM and MOS, so yeah, there is a big difference.

        I didn’t care about a single thing in TASM, it was a knock off of the original except worse in every way, the characters were unlikeable etc.

        Spiderman 3 had some decent moments, like the end bit with Sandman for example, it was quite touching.

      • Aquartertoseven

        If X2 and Spiderman 2 were released now, they’d get high 8s or 9s. Right now their scores are comparable with mediocre garbage like TASM and MOS, so yeah, there is a big difference.

        I didn’t care about a single thing in TASM, it was a knock off of the original except worse in every way, the characters were unlikeable etc.

        Spiderman 3 had some decent moments, like the end bit with Sandman for example, it was quite touching.

      • milo

        X2 is 87% and Spidey 2 is 94% on rotten tomatoes. How are those low scores? Scores have probably changed over the years but not that much.

      • Aquartertoseven

        I’m referring to the user scores, 7.2/10 for X2 and only 7/10 for Spiderman 2.

  • eternalozzie

    and so we ended up with another raimi vs webb argument … welcome to 3 years ago … so with the state of this franchise how do we save it? It’s not going back to marvel any time soon … does sony hand it over to a new director? New writer is a given … some of the dialog was bad … almost lucas bad. Do we go all Nolan on it with dark and gritty? I would take a decent TV writer like Jeff Davis and tone the movies down a bit … more camera trickery … less CGI … I forget the term when you rely less on cgi and more on makeup effects.

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  • Drake

    The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was actually my favorite Spider-Man movie, but I agree that the villains weren’t all that strong. I thought the Peter/Gwen stuff was much more interesting, and Spider-Man was more fun when he was cracking wise and doing normal everyday hero stuff than when he was fighting the major villains. I still think it was a really fun movie (saw it twice), though I am a little worried the next one won’t be as good without Emma Stone. It might be a good idea to just push it a year back just to give the series some breathing room. Not every super hero franchise needs a new installment every year.

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  • NorCalJ

    Three things need to be taken under consideration, ONE it hasn’t been that long since the original trilogy, say what you want about it, but most movie audiences don’t understand all the behind the scenes stuff that the users on this site know. So many people are confused why there is even a reboot to begin with, and since the original trilogy still has a favorite place in their heart whats the point.

    Two, over marketing, I don’t even have a tv and I could not escape trailers/posters/ and tv spots. I chose not to watch many of them, but you go to youtube, ads everywhere, mall, posters, store, ads playing on TV. Radio, pandora, ads, gym, more ads, sometimes on multiple TVS at once. When you hype a movie up that much, its bound to disappoint, or viewers don’t want to see it cause they feel like they already have. It use to be one year out= announcement teaser, 6 months out = teaser trailer, 3 months out= theatrical trailer. Now its new trailer every month, and new tv spots everyday!

    Lastly, I think Webb is doing a great job considering these are his first big budget films, and that SONY is breathing down his neck,, but his style and what he brings is really not that different to Rami. Tim Burton/ Christopher Nolan Batmans are very distinct, Bryan Singer/ Zack Snyder Supermans also very different, but you can take a screen shot from either 5 films and it would be hard to tell the difference.

    I don’t think Marvel should control every superhero, but with the serious lack of originality and purpose for the new series, spiderman would of been better off as apart of The Avengers anyways.

  • Jerry

    I think even most fans that didn’t like the movie were excited by what the ending was setting us up for(Sinister 6). Not going in that direction would be like not having The Joker in The Dark Knight after teasing it. In my humble opinion.

  • Strong Enough

    Two words

    Miles Morales

    • Guest

      Two words:

      Bubbles. Autograph.

  • Joey

    TASM 2 was horrible not only as a comic book film but also on every other level imaginable, let’s not kid ourselves.

    I think they should bring Raimi back in and do a huge promotion telling everyone to forget SP3, TASM1&2 and let him make the movie he wanted to make with Toby as Peter.
    Its never been done well except for Evil Dead 2 which also makes even more sense for him to do something like that.

    • Seachai Chan

      I think Spider-man 3 and Iron man 3 are two of the movies that need a reboot. Lol, but… it ain’t gonna happen.

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  • Melwing

    Perhaps the disappointing results of TASM2 will lead to Sony working out a deal with Marvel Studios to perhaps bring things together that direction rather than build an apparently risky “Spider-verse” of their own. It’s a long shot, I know. Faith. :P

  • Nikita

    I’m pretty sure after TAS3, they’re going to reboot everything again and name it The Spectacular Spider-Man.

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