ANT-MAN Connection to the Larger Marvel Cinematic Universe Possibly Revealed

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It’s been arguably Marvel’s most contentious production since Iron Man, but Ant-Man is finally gearing up to start filming in the next few weeks.  By now you know the story: Edgar Wright developed the film for several years, set his cast, was prepping to shoot, and then ran into creative differences with Marvel Studios that led to his exit from the project.  Peyton Reed is now at the helm of the superhero adaptation with Paul Rudd in the lead, supported in the cast by Michael Douglas, Evangeline Lilly, and Corey Stoll.  One of the key points of contention between Wright and Marvel was reportedly the film’s connection to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe, as the studio wanted to see more threads between Ant-Man and the other films that make up the MCU.

As filming is about to get underway, possible spoilers have surfaced by way of some earlier drafts of the script that reveal which characters from the MCU were/are poised to make an appearance in Ant-Man, and the answers may surprise you.  More after the jump, though be warned that these details contain potential spoilers for Ant-Man

ant-man-posterThe folks over at Latino Review, who were the first to break the details surrounding Wright’s exit from Ant-Man, have discovered which characters not related to Ant-Man were poised to make appearance in the film—at least according to early drafts of the script.  Apparently a prologue sequence in the first act of Ant-Man involves Hank Pym (Douglas) having a meeting at S.H.I.E.L.D. where he crosses paths with Howard Stark (Dominic Cooper), Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell), Armin Zola (Toby Jones), and somewhat surprisingly, a young Alexander Pierce.

The latter character of course made his first appearance in the MCU in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, as played by Robert Redford.  He was revealed to have close ties to HYDRA, and as Marvel’s new TV series Agent Carter aims to hint towards the early infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D. by the sinister organization, one imagines this Ant-Man prologue sequence would have had HYDRA undertones as well.

It’s unclear which drafts of the Ant-Man screenplay included this prologue.  Wright co-write his version of the film with Joe Cornish, but in an effort to address issues Marvel had with the Wright/Cornish script, the studio apparently had one of its in-house writers take a stab at a version of the screenplay more in line with what Marvel Studios wanted.  That was apparently the last straw that led to Wright departing the project, and then recently Adam McKay was hired to do script work in preparation for Reed’s version of the film.

Rudd recently told us that he and McKay have been working together on the Ant-Man screenplay nearly every day for the past month so there’s no telling how much the script has changed since this early version with the S.H.I.E.L.D. scene, but this feels very much in line with Marvel’s approach to the MCU, so I wouldn’t be surprised if a version of it still existed in the final film.  Moreover, the prospect of introducing young Alexander Pierce could be a neat addition to the MCU mythology—maybe even in the Agent Carter series, perhaps?

captain-america-the-winter-soldier-robert-redfordTime will tell if this prologue sequence still stands in the final film, but out of context, I actually think it sounds like a nice nod to the MCU without being too obtrusive.  One thing’s for sure: it’s going to be very interesting to see what the final writing credits look like on Ant-Man.  The film opens in theaters on July 17, 2015.

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  • Leo Spaceman

    I think most story beats in the MCU are predetermined before the writers can really begin writing the film. With most of the movies, small things in one movie are the catalyst for things in another movie. I am willing to bet that Marvel required that Iron Man 3 set up the plot point that Tony doesn’t need to in the suit for the suit to function. This is set up so that Ultron can have several minions and it doesn’t seem so sudden in the next movie.

    Also I remember watching the scene in Iron Man 3 where Jarvis controlling one of the suits offered to give Rhodey a life. Jarvis, a computer program suddenly had a fully functioning body and was in the physical world. I remember thinking Tony was a complete dick to just blow up Jarvis’s body. This was probably required by the studio to set up The Vision for future films.

  • Leo Spaceman

    I think most story beats in the MCU are predetermined before the writers can really begin writing the film. With most of the movies, small things in one movie are the catalyst for things in another movie. I am willing to bet that Marvel required that Iron Man 3 set up the plot point that Tony doesn’t need to in the suit for the suit to function. This is set up so that Ultron can have several minions and it doesn’t seem so sudden in the next movie.

    Also I remember watching the scene in Iron Man 3 where Jarvis controlling one of the suits offered to give Rhodey a life. Jarvis, a computer program suddenly had a fully functioning body and was in the physical world. I remember thinking Tony was a complete dick to just blow up Jarvis’s body. This was probably required by the studio to set up The Vision for future films.

    • Guest

      No actually it was Shane Black who wanted Tony to blow up his suits and stuff as Iron Man 3 was designed to be sort of like the closing chapter for the trilogy. Basically Feige told Black that “don’t worry about setting up Avengers: Age of Ultron let Joss figure it out”

      • agent777

        Why else would Tony blow up 30 years of Iron Man suits 4 years into his career as Iron Man.

      • Leo Spaceman

        Are you talking about that street interview that Shane Black gave maybe a week after Iron Man 3 opened in theaters where basically TMZ caught outside of a restaurant while he was having a smoke? I remember him talking about that very clearly. He said, this is the story he wanted to tell. Tony Stark realizing that he is Iron Man and not just a man inside of Iron Man. Yes it was a director talking about his film, but it doesn’t flat out say that no Marvel did not give me story beats I had to follow. Black just said that he didn’t have to include Shield or other MCU references in his movie.

        That conversation still left the door open for Marvel influencing where the movies go. Every Marvel film has had solid rumors of Marvel interfering with the creative process in order to keep things cohesive.

        Thor had to destroy the bridge so Asguardians could come as an army and thwart Loki.

        Cap had to end up frozen.

        Cohesively Iron Man and Hulk don’t fit perfectly into the universe which lead to the Marvel short that explains why Tony Stark was in the The Incredible Hulk. Since then, Marvel has taken more control of things to make sure it all fits together better and one movie leads into the next in a way.

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  • Redjester

    Don’t care won’t watch.

    • SorryNotSorry

      … Neat.

      • Redjester

        Sorry, not sorry.

    • Melwing

      You do care, otherwise you would not have opened the article and commented.

      • Redjester

        Me commenting about Ant Man on Collider is the equivalent of me commenting on CNN to tell them their articles are becoming increasingly tabloidy and to stop with the articles about Justin Bieber, or on AICN to tell Harry his reviews are incoherent and long-winded.

        So, yes, I care that Ant Man could have been something unique and special rather than the paint-by-numbers Marvel film we’re sure to receive. I care to that extent. That said, this is still sure to be the one Marvel film I never see, not because it won’t be entertaining, albeit in a very generic sort of way, but because I simply can’t get past the fact that it could have been so much more.

  • Person

    That prologue actually sounds perfectly reasonable and pretty cool. It’s hard to imagine that something like that (which sounds mostly disconnected from what the movie itself would presumably be about) would make Wright just give up and walk away unless he was really so unreasonably married to his original vision. I’m sure there’s more to this.

  • Strong Enough

    i wonder how joe cornish feels about all this. we haven’t heard a peep from him.

  • TigerFIST

    I’m still upset! EDGAR WRIGHT!!!

    • Zarles

      Go change your underpants, you little bitch-ass troll.

      • Polarboy

        Keyboard waaaaariorrrrrrrrr.

      • Zarles

        Fuck off.

      • Polarboy

        Ohhhhh manly man, you’re so tough, shucks I wish I could be like you.

      • Pernell Whitaker

        You sound like you wanna take him to a log cabin and bang him.

      • Polarboy

        That’s a fairly specific scenario, maybe you should join us.

      • Pernell Whitaker

        So you’re admitting that is your plan? No room here for being vague you tease!

      • Polarboy

        Touche, you surprise me and I will have to concede this game of homoerotic chicken because one step further and it will get really weird ;)

      • Pernell Whitaker

        Lol. Fair enough, well played.

      • Zarles

        I was banging your mom 12 years ago, so you could actually be my son. Are you sure you’re not more like me?

      • Polarboy

        Nah I’m well over 12, I’d be very surprised if you were given the immaturity that you display in your comments and the dearth of any wit or intelligence ;)

      • Zarles

        I did your mom in her dearth last night.

      • Polarboy

        Nearly a month to come up with that, it’s clear your penis hasn’t been anywhere near a vagina in reality.

      • Zarles

        You sure do think a lot about my penis.

      • TigerFIST

        I’m a bitch-ass troll b/c I’m not happy with production for a film? Ok. You could just ignore me.

      • Zarles

        Nah.

    • Tom.

      Are you going to do this with every single Ant-Man/Edgar Wright article? You’re slowly becoming the new rich mixed race kid from NYU kid (or whatever his name was) of this site.

      • TigerFIST

        I am. Not nearly as bad as that guy. I typed one line. Ignore me.

      • Pernell Whitaker

        You were formerly known as The Flobbit weren’t you… Goldberg needs to ban your new account too.

      • Melwing

        Flobbit got banned?? *happy dance*

      • eternalozzie

        Tiger was not trolling .. it was a joke … lighten up movie nerds.

      • Strong Enough

        wasn’t a joke. he is serious

  • Frank

    I think we need to implement a rule about citing Latino Review; i.e. don’t do it until another, more reliable source confirms it. Sometimes they are right, and many times they are way wrong. Remember when Tony Stark went into space to meet the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of Iron Man 3?

    It annoys me because there really is no consequence for reporting BS. By the time people figure out that it’s bunk, they are already on to the next thing, and LR can keep getting away with this crap without any reprecussion. I’m sure you appreciate the extra revenue that comes from these rumor mill articles, just as they are, but let’s at least maintain SOME journalistic integrity here.

    • Steve McCort

      When I was in the military we had this group called MILDEC
      or Military Deception. We would intentionally leak false information into the
      public to keep the eyes off of our actual agenda. It wouldn’t surprise me if
      Marvel doesn’t employ the same tactics.

    • Strong Enough

      LR is on the money about marvel though. always

  • theseeker7

    Just think about the insanity of this for a moment: this movie is coming out in just about 11 months from now, July of 2015, and is STILL apparently a couple weeks away from even STARTING to shoot.

    The other Marvel movie that will release only 2 months before it, has finished their entire principle photography (barring any small reshoots). I realize that Avengers 2 is supposed to be overall a “bigger” movie than Ant-Man, but still, this just seems sooooooooo worrisome and cramped to me. And I’m sure the latter will still have its fair share of VFX shots to complete in post.

    • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

      I think Ant-Man is of a much smaller scope than most blockbusters. It’s a heist, so they won’t need nearly as much time in post-production with special effects and there likely won’t be as many huge set-pieces like Iron Man, Thos, or Captain America. It could very easily film in 2-3 months with a 1-2 month window for reshoots and then another 2-3 for post-production and still be well within the window. If you trust interviews James Gunn was doing work on GotG up until a month before release. If they haven’t started shooting by December, then yeah, there’s definitely cause to worry.

      • Steve McCort

        I think you’re right and we’re not going to see a $150 million plus VFX heavy film but rather a well written dialog heavy movie but still up to par with the rest of the MCU.

  • bidi

    i hope they actually keep Ant-Man in that helmet. with the exception of Iron Man, pretty much every Marvel character that has a bad ass helmet/mask is mostly not wearing said helmet/mask. Star-Lord only wore his a few times in Guardians. Cap is without his helmet more often than not. there was literally only 1 shot in the span of 3 movies where Thor wears his helmet, and his doesn’t even cover that pretty face of his! stay in that thing Ant-Man. it looks fucking awesome

  • vitextreeradar

    it’ll be interesting to see who plays a young robert redford

    • Bucky

      Brad Pitt.

      • Pk

        Actually that’s not a bad idea. He does resemble him a lot

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        And basically emulated a young Robert Redford for the entirety of Moneyball.

      • Pk

        And that’s a bad thing?

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Never said it was. Simply pointing out he does a mean Robert Redford impression.

  • Larry

    I like the idea of Hank Pym having a meeting with SHIELD and other characters in the past. That is probably what the “young” Michael Douglas lookalike, Marvel is looking to cast, is being used for. I don’t know how Alexander Pierce would be in Agent Carter though, His character would be a kid or tween character in 1946 as he wasn’t some 90+ yr old like Peggy was in The Winter Soldier.

    • Doug_101

      Somebody said that was probably Patrick Wilson’s role before he had to split, meaning Hank Pym.

  • Al

    I was already on Edgar’s side, but now even more so. This is just too lame. Universe sharing is cool, television episode movies aren’t.

    • eternalozzie

      I am enjoying episodic movies … i kind of like being left hanging to find out what happens next.

      • Al

        I have no problem with that, but half the marvel films are terribly unexciting set ups.

    • fatboy35

      Ever read a comic book Al? Episodic is their very nature! For years fanboys clamored for great comic book movies operating the in same universe and we now have them! And now those same fanboys complain that the stories/universe are episodic? REALLY?

  • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

    Do we REALLY believe this is what Wright exited the movie over? -I don’t.
    I tend more to believe that “core morality of the character” bullshit that was rumored, which was that Marvel wanted him to be a nice guy who continues to do good rather than a thief who starts out bad but becomes a hero over the course of the story (which would be a character arc, whereas the first thing isn’t).

    • the king of comedy

      I don`t think Marvel has a problem with starting a character as a thief or someone who does bad things and during the course of the movie starts becoming the hero, They`ve done it with Guardians of The Galaxy, Iron Man and arguably even Thor.

      • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

        The rumor was that this was more a Disney note than a Marvel one. But you may be right. We’ll see in about a year, I guess.

  • mattinacan

    this could have been the next GOTG, which is the best marvel film to date. sadly, this is shaping up to be more like Ironman 2/3, the worst marvel films to date.

    • yrulaughing418

      That’s debatable, I would rank Thor and Thor: The Dark World below Iron Man 2/3

      • mattinacan

        nothing is worse than IM 2/3, maybe the Norton Hulk movie, that’s pretty bad.

  • Vos_L

    If true, this would pretty much blow out of the water the theory and speculation that Wright left because Marvel wanted him to add cinematic universe ties to his script. According to this report, an early draft of the script had significant ties to the cinematic universe and Wright did the early drafts. Wright is also the one who set things up with an old Pym and no Janet Van Dyne. So I’m glad to see him go. Skipping past the Hank and Janet years and fast-forwarding to Scott Lang as Ant-Man is a complete waste of two of the better Marvel characters.

  • Christopher Sims

    I do not understand why everyone is commenting on Marvel having a hand in all their movies as a bad thing. What if every Marvel movie was just allowed to have complete freedom? You may get an Amazing Spider Man 2…You may get a Dark Knight(You probably won’t, lightning in a bottle from an amazing filmmaker)…You may get a Batman & Robin…You may have a Green Lantern…All having nothing to do with one another, all being non-cohesive, all having major plot holes when being compiled to an Avengers like film, or maybe not even having an opportunity to make an Avengers film because of no “connective tissue”.

    I like how every film has the opportunity to hearken back to another. I like how you can have Easter Eggs that are not only shallow nods to fans, but possibilities.

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