ANT-MAN Rumors: Origin Story, Character Costume, and Film’s Villain Possibly Revealed

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It will always be tough to get excited about Ant-Man again.  I don’t necessarily mind Peyton Reed directing and Adam McKay contributing to the script.  I think they’re both talented.  In some ways, Reed and McKay are an exciting team-up, and if they were working together on any other movie, it would probably pique my interest.  But the specter of Edgar Wright‘s vision will always leave a “What if?” over the entire production.  However, we have to live in the now, and now we’re wondering what Ant-Man will be.

Hit the jump for Ant-Man rumors about the hero’s origin, his costume, and the film’s villain.  The film stars Paul Rudd, Michael Douglas, Michael Peña, Patrick Wilson, Evangeline Lilly, and Corey StollAnt-Man opens July 17, 2015.  [Minor Spoilers Ahead]

ant-man-comicsAccording to JoBlo, the movie keeps Scott Lang’s (Rudd) origin story basically intact where he’s a thief and a single dad who breaks into Hank Pym’s (Douglas) apartment, and steals the Ant-Man suit.  Pretty straightforward stuff, and while there were rumors about Marvel having issues with the “core morality” of Wright’s vision, I’d be stunned to find out it had anything to do with Lang simply being a thief.  Consider that audiences still go for heist movies, and when it comes to Marvel heroes, let’s look at some origins: Iron Man starts out as a weapons manufacturer, Thor goes to pick a fight with another race, and Black Widow is an assassin.  Not everyone starts out as good as Captain America.

Moving on to the villain, it’s rumored that Darren Cross will be the baddie.  In the comics, Cross runs Cross Technological Enterprises, a competitor against Stark Industries and Oscorp.  As a side note, Cross’ cousin is the villain, Crossfire.  JoBlo doesn’t know if Patrick Wilson or Corey Stoll will play Cross, but the character is set to have a suit similar to Ant-Man’s, “but more military style, yellow and black in color, and with a tendril-looking apparatus coming off it’s back (like with Agent Venom).”  JoBlo also notes that in the comics, Cross looks like a pink Hulk, “so there may well be some merging of attributes from other characters for this role or multiple villains at that (Yellowjacket, perhaps?).”

darren-cross-marvel-comicsAs for Ant-Man’s outfit, it will be fairly elaborate and borrow the open-and-close style of Iron Man’s helmet with the glowing piping of TRON (a look that’s also being incorporated into Black Widow’s costume for Avengers: Age of Ultron).  Additionally, “it’s said to be a much more complex and futuristic suit than we’ve seen so far.”

Finally, the helmet, in which the eyes glow red when the helmet is closed, will stay true to the comics by being able to let the wearer communicate with ants.  Ants (the insect) “are the main ally and superpower” and “is said to be a special element to the overall story.”  If true, that seems to indicate that Ant-Man’s ability to shrink and grow will be geared more towards set pieces than the plot.  But will Reed be able to come up with anything as cool as the test footage we saw from Wright?

Sigh.




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  • RecoveR

    Sigh- can we see a villain thats totally different to the main hero please? We’ve already seen it in Iron man 1 and 2 (suits), The Incredible hulk, Thor and Captain America. (all products of the super soldier serum and its derivatives). It just seems so unimaginative to have the whole “Villain steals heroes technology to use for evil” cliche’

    • Grayden

      When did either of those instances happen in the Thor films?

    • Grayden

      When did either of those instances happen in the Thor films?

      • Oliver Queen

        True, that didn’t happen in Thor but i see where he’s coming from, most Marvel films so far do have the villain as a mirror of the hero, Iron Man/Iron Monger (businessmen in metal suits), Hulk/Abomination (gamma monsters), Iron Man/Whiplash (again.. suits), Thor/Loki (good asgardian/bad asgardian), Cap/Red Skull (super soldiers). However i have a feeling this Darren Cross character might not be as similar to Ant-Man as described.

      • RecoveR

        What i meant in Thor is that Thor and Loki about both pretty much the same being from asgard/ jotunheim. Like you also said. I’m hoping its just not the same is all

      • Zoboo

        I think it’s a little reductive to look at these pairings strictly in this manner. Whiplash is a person about revenge (right? I forget), Iron Monger is about greed, Loki is jealousy and entitlement, Red Skull is about world domination, etc. They’re just more complex than that (maybe not much more …. hah) On some level, I’d imagine you’re basically bored with the entirety of film, tv and literature because they are all (usually) dealing with conflicts between humans or other species. Maybe I’m misunderstanding a little? Clarify?

      • Zoboo

        I think it’s a little reductive to look at these pairings strictly in this manner. Whiplash is a person about revenge (right? I forget), Iron Monger is about greed, Loki is jealousy and entitlement, Red Skull is about world domination, etc. They’re just more complex than that (maybe not much more …. hah) On some level, I’d imagine you’re basically bored with the entirety of film, tv and literature because they are all (usually) dealing with conflicts between humans or other species. Maybe I’m misunderstanding a little? Clarify?

      • http://www.youtube.com/PathOfJioFreed Danny DeMent

        I think he’s more referring to villains with pretty much cloned powers. Whiplash was actually a lot more interesting pre-suit, Hulk and Abomination are both super powerful brutes, Stane also built himself a suit to fight Tony in his suit, Cap and Red Skull are indeed both Super Soldiers (which could have and should have been a more impressive battle than it was so I think that was just more underwhelming). Another thing is that the villains themselves are often just… not given enough focus. We don’t want to give the title character the backseat in a film, but they have to split it enough to make the villain interesting. Marvel… doesn’t seem to want to do that and even sacrificed Malekith’s screen time to focus more on Loki.

    • TJM

      Well that’s kinda the whole point of villains. To be an evil version of the hero. They are suppose to be the same except one is good and one is bad…

    • Django9000

      Really, one would question why even make an Ant Man film to be incorporated into the Marvel U. With Stark inventing Ultron & Vision, everything about him becomes 2nd or even 3rd rate.

      With a darker thief background, he might’ ve had some edge. That logic doesn’t fly if you as a company would invest five minutes in gaining rights to the Punisher back.

      If Pym’s tech exists, let him become Giant Man/Goliath too, and there’s your forward thinking sequel tie in right there. His core origin film ought to stand alone, w maybe a slapped on post credits connection if that’s even necessary.

      Take some chances with these fringe properties, Marvel Studios! Aqua man besting anyone due to brand recognition is no reason not to at least try to push your own genres envelope!

  • Daniel_Plainview_Milkshake

    “If true, that seems to indicate that Ant-Man’s ability to shrink and grow will be geared more towards set pieces than the plot” = pure conjecture

    • Grammar Nazi Adolf Whiplash

      conjecture, you freakin’ mook!

    • Grammar Nazi Adolf Whiplash

      Grammar Nazi Adolf Whiplash would like to point out that Daniel_Plainview_Milkshake originally wrote “= pure conjunction” at the end of his sentence.

      One, because he is a silly-head.
      And two, because he confuses English with Mathematics.

      (This has been a non-profit comment for historical prosperity. Keep up the good work, Internets!)

    • Grammar Nazi Adolf Whiplash

      Grammar Nazi Adolf Whiplash would like to point out that Daniel_Plainview_Milkshake originally wrote “= pure conjunction” at the end of his sentence.

      One, because he is a silly-head.
      And two, because he confuses English with Mathematics.

      (This has been a non-profit comment for historical prosperity. Keep up the good work, Internets!)

  • Al

    Patrick Wilson, especially coming from his reaction to Wright leaving and uncertainty if he was going to stay, points at him probably being the young Hank Pym that Wright always talked about having. Thats my guess.

    And ugh. I already see too much connections to MCU just in a very short compressed mini synopsis. The growing and shrinking was going to be the coolest part. Credit where credit is due though, if we get a crazy Ants attacking scene, thatd be swell.

    Im mostly at that ‘ugh’ though.

  • Redjester

    THIS. IS. SO. LAME.

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  • TigerFIST

    Yeah I think that Yellow and Black will be Yellow Jacket. But who cares? I don’t! Like you said it’s hard not to think “What If?” I really don’t care about this film and wish they would cancel it and concentrate on something else since Edgar Wright split. If it wasn’t obvious already, I DON’T CARE ANYMORE AND I WANT EDGAR WRIGHT BACK!!!
    Thanks for the post Matt

  • TigerFIST

    I want EDGAR WRIGHT BACK!!!

    • eternalozzie

      Wright is gone … he’s not coming back … he is free to rehash more Simon Pegg humor now … time to move on.

      • TigerFIST

        NEVER!!!!! LOL!!!

      • Jelly Belly

        “free to rehash more Simon Pegg humor now” -
        You do realise the best visual gags from Spaced would’ve been devised by Wright? And that all the episodes of the two seasons of Spaced were written by Simon Pegg AND Jessica Stevenson?

        And that Edgar Wright was a co-writer on all three of the Cornetto Trilogy films?

        The only person who “rehashes” Simon Pegg humo(U!)r is Simon Pegg – selling his trite and vanilla’d personality to fanboys and nerds for the $$$ when he’s not (once in a blue moon) doing something (moderately) interesting with the man who is 90% of the reason anyone gave a shite about him in the first place.

      • eternalozzie

        you take this way too seriously :)

      • eternalozzie

        you take this way too seriously :)

      • Jelly Belly

        Bless, sorry.

        I’m one of those people who takes time and puts thought into what they say. I thought you were trying to make a point instead of innocently mashing the keyboard in an inane attempt at forging a connection with the outside world – that’s why I responded.

        Should I have just said, “lol” and then gone and watched some videos of cats farting?

      • Jelly Belly

        Bless, sorry.

        I’m one of those people who takes time and puts thought into what they say. I thought you were trying to make a point instead of innocently mashing the keyboard in an inane attempt at forging a connection with the outside world – that’s why I responded.

        Should I have just said, “lol” and then gone and watched some videos of cats farting?

      • eternalozzie

        TLDR

      • +1 For Being A Douche

        Lol. I’mma gonna go watch some cat videos! I LOVE TEH INTERNETS SO MUCH FRIENDSHIPS TO BE HAD

      • +1 For Being A Douche

        Lol. I’mma gonna go watch some cat videos! I LOVE TEH INTERNETS SO MUCH FRIENDSHIPS TO BE HAD

      • eternalozzie

        TLDR

      • Theodore Trout

        I’m still dreaming of a serio-comic Edgar Wright Ant-Man starring Pegg as Hank Pym. Sigh.

      • Theodore Trout

        I’m still dreaming of a serio-comic Edgar Wright Ant-Man starring Pegg as Hank Pym. Sigh.

      • Jelly Belly

        “free to rehash more Simon Pegg humor now” -
        You do realise the best visual gags from Spaced would’ve been devised by Wright? And that all the episodes of the two seasons of Spaced were written by Simon Pegg AND Jessica Stevenson?

        And that Edgar Wright was a co-writer on all three of the Cornetto Trilogy films?

        The only person who “rehashes” Simon Pegg humo(U!)r is Simon Pegg – selling his trite and vanilla’d personality to fanboys and nerds for the $$$ when he’s not (once in a blue moon) doing something (moderately) interesting with the man who is 90% of the reason anyone gave a shite about him in the first place.

  • milo

    If you guys can’t report on the movie without being crybabies about Wright in every story, why bother covering it at all? I’m sure there are plenty of other websites interesting in covering the details without constantly making it a pity party.

    • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

      So go there.

      • Yup

        You are going to do the responsible thing and remove yourself from reviewing this film upon release correct?

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        Why? I never read the script for Wright’s take, and most people who review the film will know that he was the original director/co-writer.

    • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

      So go there.

  • agent777

    You know, they need to play catch-up big time in the villain department. All these Marvel films, and not enough villain to fill out half of a ‘Masters of Evil’ team.

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