BATMAN V SUPERMAN Rumors: Wonder Woman’s Costume, Lex Luthor’s Motives, Batman’s Lake Cottage, and More

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Last week, we had some Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice rumors regarding Lex Luthor’s hairline and attitude.  Today, more Batman v Superman rumors have gone online covering not only Luthor but also more details about Wonder Woman, her costume, weapons, how she’ll be integrated into the story, plus a little bit of  background on this latest big-screen interpretation of Batman.  Leading off with Luthor, JoBlo reports that this is a familiar Lex Luthor: an egomaniac who can’t stand the notion that there’s someone out there more powerful than him.  He then tries to persuade people to dislike Superman, and is moderately successful.  Some people see Superman as a savior, and others see him as “the ultimate threat”.  And if you’re wondering about the hair, JoBlo says Lex Luthor starts out with long, red hair.

Hit the jump for more Batman v Superman rumors including Wonder Woman’s costume, her weapons, how she factors into the plot, and miscellaneous Batman details.  The film stars Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, Jesse Eisenberg, Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa, Amy Adams, Diane Lane, Jeremy Irons, Holly Hunter, Callan Mulvey, Tao Okamoto, and Laurence FishburneBatman v Superman: Dawn of Justice opens May 6, 2016. [Potential spoilers ahead]

wonder-woman-alex-rossMost of JoBlo‘s report hints at a pretty traditional interpretation of Wonder Woman’s costume.  Batman v Superman will give the Amazonian princess a “‘traditional, yet sleeker’ costume that’s ‘battle ready.’ She’ll have a blue leather skirt, silver-armored cuffs that reach to her elbows, golden tiara (with a design of some sort in the center, possibly the red star) and a variation of the traditional-looking red top.”  Furthermore, she’ll be using a sword, shield, spear, and a lasso.  She’ll carry the shield on her back, Captain America-style.

So how does Wonder Woman get into this crowded movie?  Earlier this year, we reported the rumor that Wonder Woman had a “cameo-plus” sized role that was on par with Black Widow in Iron Man 2.  However, the rumor’s source, Batman-on-Film, also said in the same article that Jason Momoa wasn’t playing Aquaman, which we now know to be false.  That’s not to say BOF is necessarily wrong on the size of Wonder Woman’s role, but it’s something to keep in mind.  JoBlo says she she will be introduced as a “Diana” and “will have a fair amount of screen time and will team up with Batman and Superman for the final battle against an un-named villain who may be working or controlled by Lex Luthor.”  Her origins will be left vague, but her presence will show that Superman isn’t the only person with superpowers.

Finally, when it comes to Batman, JoBlo reports that the character is a “veteran crime fighter that will do anything it takes to get the job done” and doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the rule-following Superman.  Additionally, while Wayne Manor is in the movie, Bruce Wayne chooses to spend his days on the property’s modern-looking cottage by a lake.  However, the Batcave is still beneath the grounds and holds the Batmobile, Batwing, etc.

I’m sure you all have plenty of thoughts on these many rumors.  Sound off in the comments section.




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  • dude

    Fuck you Goldberg. No other reason, I just wanted to say it.

    • The Flobbit

      God, try to be civil and decent about things. You didn’t so much bite the hand that feeds this site, but cut it off with a kitchen knife and then gnaw on it. Goldberg may not have the nicest of personalities, but that doesn’t give you the right to insult him in such a juvenile and stupid way.

    • The Flobbit

      God, try to be civil and decent about things. You didn’t so much bite the hand that feeds this site, but cut it off with a kitchen knife and then gnaw on it. Goldberg may not have the nicest of personalities, but that doesn’t give you the right to insult him in such a juvenile and stupid way.

      • LEM

        What’s peoples problem with Goldberg?

      • axalon

        They’ve invested so much into hating him that even if he does something great they’ll still tear him down because god-forbid they try to examine themselves. It’s really silly.

      • straight arrow

        I agree, though i despise his at times immature critiques, theres no reason to just cuss the guy out, im sure goldberg isnt as vile as his reviews

      • straight arrow

        I agree, though i despise his at times immature critiques, theres no reason to just cuss the guy out, im sure goldberg isnt as vile as his reviews

      • Frank

        I’ve argued with him in the past – not ever personally. Over the course of time have grown to like him, this site and the regular posters quite a bit. I’ll take a quick glance at Rotten Tomatoes, but Goldberg’s the only reviewer I read after seeing a movie, and that was a position filled by Ebert. Yes I read reviews after. Anyway, kudos to Goldberg for having the resolve to put his face behind his words in this day and age of lawless internet anonymity, where people go out of their way to take shots at you.

        My only suggestion to Goldberg (or any other critic) would be to consider the entire system of moviemaking, something Ebert seldom did when reviewing. I still loved Ebert for his insights and wit, but often he would blame a screenwriter when the screenwriter has to service so many ridiculous notes in order to keep employed. And if he/she gets canned, they’ll bring in someone else and create a muddy pastiche at best. Guess who gets the blame? Not the marketing department unfortunately. The creatives get blamed and totally fucking annihilated online. If you (or any other critic) think Zach Snyder is solely in charge of this remarkably high budget film, it’s just not accurate. Unfortunately it also makes it very hazy in regards to *who* you can blame for a picture going wrong. It’s actually often a massive collective misfire – and a very collaborative miracle when it does work. And I freely acknowledge, sometimes people just suck at their jobs too. Good, bad, indifferent, that’s the (sometimes very flawed) process of moviemaking.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        Of course I consider the “entire system of moviemaking”. But since the development of the Auteur Theory, most critics use the director as author even though we’re we’re well aware the filmmaking is a collaborative medium.

        That being said, to use your example regarding screenwriters, I agree that arbitration is awful. However, if the film is a hit, no credited screenwriter steps forward and goes, “Well, actually, very little of my draft is in the finished movie…” Success has many fathers and all of that. So if they’re willing to take credit for success, they must also be willing to to stand by the failures.

        As for Zack Snyder, I guarantee you that no sensible critic thinks Snyder gets to call every single shot in this kind of production. That being said, he didn’t call every single shot on 300 or Watchmen or any other blockbuster feature, but when it came time to market Man of Steel, the marketing was using his name alone rather than “Zack Snyder and his many collaborators and unsung heroes”.

        I freely admit that credits are sometimes signposts rather than hard-and-fast facts, but it’s the best we have when trying to figure out how and why a film succeeds.

      • Frank

        Very good point, Matt. Looking forward to more reviews and kudos again for braving the internet rapids with all us cinephiles.

      • http://www.discogs.com/ AdamShitwood

        I’ve got a problem with his shitty match with Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania XX

        Fuck that guy.

      • LEM

        Gillberg was the real deal.

      • juddappatow

        I mean, he’s not alone. 21 other people obviously agree with him. But I do see your point.

      • juddappatow

        I mean, he’s not alone. 21 other people obviously agree with him. But I do see your point.

    • TigerFIST

      You’re an idiot!

    • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

      Glad you got that off your chest. You’re banned now, obviously.

  • dude

    Fuck you Goldberg. No other reason, I just wanted to say it.

  • bidi

    “doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the rule-following Superman…”

    normally i don’t reference the Zod neck-snap because i think it worked for that movie. but unless Batman is a fucking serial killer, i’m not sure how he could be worse than Superman, who’s described as “rule-following.” based on the description of Batman and the lengths that Superman went to in MoS to stop Zod, how would they NOT see eye-to-eye. “so you killed that guy?” “yeah, i had to” “ok, sounds good”

    • Cody McGowan

      Batman is obviously going to be a convicted rapist.

      • The Flobbit

        Cody here speaks from experience…

      • Cody McGowan

        He kept shouting “I am the fahkin’ night, ya queeah.” It was wicked bad…

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        I guess the only question remaining is…how did you like dem batapples?

      • Old Soldier

        It takes one batapple to spoil the whole bunch.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        I think you’ve grasped the core concept.

      • The Flobbit

        I seed you get the point.

      • Cody McGowan

        He kept shouting “I am the fahkin’ night, ya queeah.” It was wicked bad…

    • Forrest

      Upon rewatching Man of Steel (brought to you by IHOP), I’ve come to the conclusion that Superman becomes a villian by the end of the movie- he disobeys his father and becomes famous, kills thousands of innocent bystanders, commits genocide on his own race, and breaks his “one-rule.”

      The fact that they are “rewriting” the Superman character goes to show how misguided Man of Steel actually was.

      • Ruprect

        How many bystanders do you think got killed when Superman asked Zod if he would “care to step outside” in Superman II?

      • Ruprect

        How many bystanders do you think got killed when Superman asked Zod if he would “care to step outside” in Superman II?

      • DEADP00L

        Not nearly as many as MOS superman. He trashed an entire town just after blatantly blowing up a gas station full of people.

      • DEADP00L

        Not nearly as many as MOS superman. He trashed an entire town just after blatantly blowing up a gas station full of people.

      • Ruprect

        Not nearly as many still implies that people died, just like in MoS.

        “Blatant”? How? Did he use his heat vision?

        Plus you STILL have not responded to the multiple times I pointed out to you before in comics where Superman has killed. Face it, you’ve lost this one.

      • DEADP00L

        Comicverse are not the Movieverse you people like using the universes for your own arguments but then hate it when it’s used against you.

        Well now I’m using it.

        Comic superman is NOT Movie Superman.

        Anime Superman is NOT movie Superman.

        So your argument has no merit.

      • Ruprect

        But, as I recall you saying, Deleted and Alternate scenes ARE canon, right? “Superman never kills” except when it is pointed out to you he does. Then it is, “Movie Superman before MoS never kills” until it is pointed out he did.

        Talk about people pick and choosing and using special pleading to make their case, you take the gold for that particular dicipline.

      • DEADP00L

        I was never under the impression that deleted scenes don’t count. You are the only person I have ever encountered that states that. In fact a lot of the Darth Vader lore in Star Wars is based on deleted scenes that were never released to the public until now. Everyone accepts those scenes as cannon yet here you are stating that deleted scenes aren’t cannon? Yet I’m the one that takes the gold?

        Please. I chose a side and I chose the side that takes deleted scenes as cannon. You are the one that won’t accept that POV. That doesn’t make you right nor wrong but it doesn’t prove me right or wrong either.

      • Ruprect

        And, again, you rant about one aspect of what people say to rebut you and ignore EVERYTHING else.
        It doesn’t matter though … you admitted earlier on there that “Movie” Superman has caused deaths. That is what started this whole thing. Glad you finally came around.

      • DEADP00L

        I was never not around to come around.

      • DUH

        You completely dodged his question. Or you completely missed it. You’re either cowardly, stupid, or both.

      • Clarence Boddicker

        Superman murdered Zod in Superman II, and the other guy. And Lois killed the other chick. And they smiled about it. Cue the John Williams theme. Broken fucking record argument.

        Are you infallible or something? Are you capable of conceding one point? Is it even in the realm of possibility for you to consider that you are inclined to make LOGICAL FALLICIES?

        Supes, Captain America, Spidey, Batman etc… have all killed in BOTH the films AND the source material. *Inadvertently, regrettably, intentionally or otherwise.*

        And if “Comic superman is NOT Movie Superman.
        Anime Superman is NOT movie Superman”, then YOUR argument has no merit either.
        See how that works?

      • http://www.twitter.com/dsilinski Darren

        To be honest, I think the way Man of Steel played out could make for a great opening to Man of Steel 2. Remember, he’s a young Superman – so the film could open with him really upset about the outcome of his battle with Zod. Due to that, he becomes more of a boy scout and refuses to let people come to harm. Lex could try to take advantage of that.

      • WAldenIV

        Finally someone on this website gets it.

      • Person

        That’s literally exactly what people who hate the end of MoS don’t understand – the destruction and death from that movie will serve a purpose in shaping Superman to become the character we all know and love, and will also introduce the “Lex hates Superman” angle because he sees him as a menace rather than a savior.

        Thank you for being the voice of reason.

      • Rob

        Wow Forrest, you picked a good name sake, because by the sounds of this comment you have as high an I.Q. as Forrest Gump.

        Watch the movie again. 99% of all the destruction in the movie is done by Zod, Faora, other Kryptonians or the army.

        It’s the army that shoots up Smallville trying to take out the Kryptonians. It’s Faora and that other Kryptonian that take out a good portion of that street by taking out the military, and attacking Superman. Most of that fight Superman is defending himself and saving the military from Faora. The only portion of the fight where Superman himself is directly responsible for any destruction in Smallville is pushing Zod through the silo and the gas station while defending his mother, which as far as I can tell doesn’t kill anyone, and pushing Faora through the buildings after she’s thrown him around for several minutes.

        In Metropolis by far the largest amount of destruction is directly caused by the world engine, a device that was only stopped from KILLING THE ENTIRE HUMAN POPULATION and, for that matter, likely most if not all of the animals as well, because Superman was able to defeat it, and all of that damage happens before Superman has even landed in Metropolis. The first time Superman is actually shown in the city in the movie is when he crashes through the scout ship to stop Zod.

        In regard to the fight, Zod starts the fight by literally telling Kal that he’ll make the humans suffer for his actions. That he will kill them all one by one. Do you think there’s a chance in hell Zod would let Superman move the fight away from humans? Even if Superman had gotten him out of Metropolis there’s no way Zod isn’t using humanity, the people that Kal-El chose over him, against Superman. And again, most of the destruction in that fight is caused by Zod.

        It’s Zod that follows Superman into the building and takes it down by melting the building’s support structure. It’s Zod that pushes an oil truck at Superman into the parking garage. It’s Zod that uppercuts Superman up the side of the building, and the one that causes most of the damage to that building while climbing up it. It’s Zod that attacks Superman with the support beam. It’s Zod that throws Superman through a few dozen buildings, and attacks Superman from behind while flying through a building, and it’s Zod that throws the satellite at Superman.

        The only time Superman directly causes property destruction in Metropolis is when he pushes Zod’s face into the side of a building, and, in regard to people saying he doesn’t save anyone during the fight, every time Superman’s attention is drawn away from the fight Zod makes him suffer for it. How is Superman supposed to save people when his opponent is just as strong and just as fast as he is? The movie actually makes an excellent statement as to why an event as big as a Kryptonian invasion needs a team like the Justice League.

        So yes, there were thousands of people that were hurt indirectly by Superman in a fight in which he was mostly on defense. But there were also BILLIONS that were directly saved by Superman. I find it hard to call that person a villain.

      • DEADP00L

        Yes because that gas station blowing up and the fight that ensued shortly after was totally not Supermans fault…

        He only dragged Zods ass into it after pining through a corn field and the town water tank.

      • Rob

        The gas station WAS Superman’s fault. I Attributed that to him in my message. The ensuing fight, though, WAS NOT Superman’s fault. Zod has already told him that he’s going to use the kodex to rebuild Krypton on earth over humanity. And it’s not Superman that brings Zod to Smallville, it’s his desire for the kodex. Whether it was going to happen in Smallville or not at some point if he was going to stop Zod there was GOING to be a fight.

        Putting the blame on Superman for starting the fight is like putting the blame on a guy for starting a gang fight because he stops it’s leader from attacking his mother.

      • DEADP00L

        Here is how the fight started:

        ‘RRRRAAAAAAAA!!!!!! YOU HURT MY MOMMMYYYYY!!!!’

        A rule following superman swoops in to catch mommy just before she hits the ground, zooms off to put her down next to lois then zooms back to hover over Zod and says ‘ lets take this somewhere else’

        But nope. That never happened.

        We got a man who stops Zods from attacking his mother… by trashing an entire town full of other mothers.

      • DEADP00L

        Here is how the fight started:

        ‘RRRRAAAAAAAA!!!!!! YOU HURT MY MOMMMYYYYY!!!!’

        A rule following superman swoops in to catch mommy just before she hits the ground, zooms off to put her down next to lois then zooms back to hover over Zod and says ‘ lets take this somewhere else’

        But nope. That never happened.

        We got a man who stops Zods from attacking his mother… by trashing an entire town full of other mothers.

      • Rob

        Man of Steel’s Superman has never done this before. This is literally Clark’s first day as Superman, has revealed himself to the world purely because Zod forced him to, and has already been shown what will happen to Earth if he doesn’t stop Zod, a man that has already admitted to murdering one of Clark’s parents. He didn’t respond to Zod the way an experienced Superman might, but he’s not an experienced Superman.

      • DEADP00L

        He had been superman since the moment he saved his classmates. You’re just trying to excuse horrible writing, hypocrisy and character development.

      • Rob

        Yes, he saves his classmates. Yes it’s a Superman thing to do. Doesn’t mean he was Superman yet. And even if it does, that still doesn’t make him experienced in handling people that are his equal in strength and power. The Superman in Man of Steel has spent 30 years as a god among men. All he’s known are people that he could kill by looking at.

        People he could send flying across rooms with a casual flick. And on top of it, he’s spent those 30 years largely being ridiculed and bullied by those people. His adopted father spent his childhood telling Clark to keep his powers a secret at all cost, that the world isn’t ready for him, and that once he is outed, his very existence will change the world. Clark isn’t told that it’s okay to be himself, that his role is to be the man to lead humanity to a better place.

        In short until he talks to Jor-El, learns who he really is, and embraces it, he’s not Superman. Not in this movie. Not in the reality they created for this new universe.

      • DEADP00L

        ‘People he could send flying across rooms with a casual flick.’

        He retaliated by ruining the mans truck and thus his entire livelihood and possibly put him in debt for the rest of his life – if not sued by the contracting company for destroying private property. Subjecting him to jail time, court hearings and lawyers.

        The flicking would have been more merciful.

      • Rob

        He’s retaliating against a man that harassed his coworker, poured beer on him because he dared to stop him from doing so, tried to instigate a fight with Clark and then, when Clark doesn’t rise to the bait, throws a beer can at the back of Clark’s head.

        And given that the guy had just spent an afternoon drinking he’s about to climb into his truck less than sober, so you can’t say the guy wasn’t about to destroy the truck anyway.

        And before you say it, no none of this justified Clark destroying the man’s truck, it was a juvenile thing to do, but this movie goes out of it’s way to show that Clark isn’t perfect. This is a Clark that clearly does have some lessons to learn. But his destroying the truck still doesn’t make him a villain, it just makes him human.

        Now having said this, I will also say I’m done responding to this. Clearly you will not be swayed in your opinions just as I won’t be swayed by your responses. So I’m just going to agree to disagree with you.

      • DEADP00L

        And yet if he had just flicked him he would never get into that truck drunk.

      • Danny Mac

        YES! This is almost word for word what I have been saying for months.

        Zod was also going to DESTROY earth, meaning billions would be killed in order to restore an old planet. Superman SAVED EARTH.

        Think about the big picture here.. plus as was brought out, this was not an “experienced” superman. He was JUST starting to sort things out. Learned of his past, and his future. His FIRST test of strength etc.

        He could have easily went along with Zod and destroyed earth while gaining back a planet he never knew existed. But no.. he decided to fight for us, for humans, for mankind, for OUR planet.

      • DEADP00L

        Dude it’s a MOVIE. Not real life….

        Wow.

      • Cody McGowan

        You obviously didn’t get the memo. This is the “realistic” version of the guy who flies in outer space and wears a big red cape.

      • DEADP00L

        hahaha!

      • DC

        WTF are you babbling here DEADPOOL? You are in the F**King wrong place, go back to your marvel universe.

      • DEADP00L

        I have crossed over the plains of the universe. CROSSOVER!!!

        I will be the one for who Batman will finally pick up a gun and shoot.

      • DEADP00L

        I have crossed over the plains of the universe. CROSSOVER!!!

        I will be the one for who Batman will finally pick up a gun and shoot.

      • DC

        WTF are you babbling here DEADPOOL? You are in the F**King wrong place, go back to your marvel universe.

      • Clarence Boddicker

        “Dude it’s a MOVIE. Not real life….”

        Then WTF are you complaining about?

      • DEADP00L

        You think that’s complaining – you obviously have never had a girlfriend.

      • Cody McGowan

        Always my favorite argument. Everything is forgiven because Superman is pathetic and doesn’t start being Superman until middle age.
        Regardless of the fight (in which Superman killed a bunch of people by throwing Zod into buildings and such) and regardless of the fact that Zod was only there for Kal in the first place (meaning he was more concerned with him than killing humans) one of the biggest reasons this was a terrible version of Superman is that ‘this is literally (33 year old) Clark’s first day as Superman’.
        Fail.

      • DEADP00L

        HAHAHAAAAA!!! I can’t thumb this up more than once!

      • Rob

        OH boo hoo, he doesn’t put on the suit and become Superman until he’s in his 30s, which is nowhere near middle aged. What are you, 15? If he was 63 and putting on the suit for the first time then, and only then, would your argument be accurate. And yes, he’s drawn to Earth by Clark’s actions, but right before he leaves for Smallville to obtain the kodex he literally tells Clark that he plans to use the kodex to destroy humanity and rebuild krypton on top of the previous society, and admits to Kal that he did indeed murder Jor-El, so arguing that Zod was more concerned with him than killing humans is literally dead wrong.

        And once again, most of the buildings that are taken down in the movie are taken down by Zod. The only structures Superman himself is directly responsible for destroying are the silo and the gas station. Every other building Zod throws Superman into, not the other way around.

        Now, as I said to Deadpool a few minutes ago in a post that will magically be below this one, I’m done arguing with people on the internet. It’s time to return to real life.

      • Cody McGowan

        That’s a shame, you’re so good at it!

      • Rob

        I genuinely can’t tell if you are trying to insult me with this. I mean, it’s the internet and you are a fanboy on a movie news site so I’m guessing this is sarcasm, but I’ll admit I’d rather not make an ass out of your or me by assuming so.

      • Cody McGowan

        I like your passion, even if I don’t agree with it.

      • Rob

        Thanks. I do appreciate that. That’s more or less why I was walking away though. The argument was going in circles. Rather than beat my head against a wall I decided to give it a rest. Then I came back to see the responses. It’s a vicious cycle. That said, I do apologize if I came off as insulting in my response to your compliment. I didn’t suspect it would actually be a compliment, lol.

      • Cody McGowan

        No worries. I know things can get crazy on the internet, but we all have to do our best to stay civil. No reason why we can’t viciously tear each other apart and be buds at the same time.
        And it’s not like anyone ever really wants to stop arguing about man of steel. That’s the real never ending battle…

      • Frank

        We need more of you out there. Hope everyone takes a page out of your book.

      • DEADP00L

        You do realize you’ve just cancelled out Smallvile an entire TV series dedicated to Clark Kent being/becoming Superman since he was a kid…

        Superman is NOT about wearing the suit. He’s not Ironman, it’s not the suit that makes him Superman.

      • Rob

        Sigh, every time I try to get out I keep getting pulled back in. Smallville was a miserable excuse of a Superman show that outstayed it’s welcome by 7 years. Smallville’s usefulness was purely in showing Warner Brothers that there was still indeed life in the character and that he had an audience. Beyond that, Smallville should be stricken from the record of Superman’s media history.

      • DEADP00L

        I love it, Smallvile doesn’t count because it renders your argument moot. Classy.

      • Rob

        It hardly renders my argument moot. You’re talking about a show that took 10 years to put him in the suit and call him Superman, and then when the time came to do it, still put in a bad CGI Superman in place of actually showing Welling in the suit. 10 years of investment for it’s fans and Welling still couldn’t be bothered to show up on set in the suit.

        And Smallville’s Clark was a FAR more flawed version of the character than Cavill’s. I admittedly gave up on the show after I think season 6, but Clark routinely pushed people through walls and ceilings, showing very little concern for people, and from what friends have told me about the seasons I missed, that never changed.

        If Smallville was a show where Clark started out as a teenager that was gaining and learning to use his powers responsibly while making the occasional mistake as he actively tried to embrace his destiny, THEN you would be right. Given that the show was about him actively fighting against his destiny for years until he deemed himself ready only for Jor-El to tell him he was wrong and had to earn the suit, makes you wrong.

      • DEADP00L

        You clearly remember that series differently than I do. Rebelling against a father is NOT fighting against his destiny. It’s the super powered version of teenage defiance. He does factually accept his destiny and he does so far more realistically than the rubbish MOS spewed.

        ‘ Here put on this suit that conveniently fits you even though this ship is hundreds of thousands of years old and has never exposed to your 33 year old self. You are to be humanities messiah now go’

        ‘ okay daddy….WEEEEEE!’

      • Clarence Boddicker

        Smallville is in no way connected to the continuity of MoS. Come on man.

      • DEADP00L

        I NEVER said that…

      • Clarence Boddicker

        “I love it, Smallvile doesn’t count because it renders your argument moot. Classy.”

        No, it doesn’t count because it is irrelevant. That shouldn’t be particularly difficult to grasp.

      • DEADP00L

        Snyder himself said there were salutes to the tV show in his movie.

      • DEADP00L

        Snyder himself said there were salutes to the tV show in his movie.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        No, Smallville doesn’t count, for anything, because it’s awful. If Superman really wanted to do the world a favor, he’d amnesiac-kiss the world into forgetting Smallville.

      • DEADP00L

        People really need to stop whining about a TV thats been over for years.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Who’s whining? People can’t voice opinions on things from the past? Man, I’d like to say you’re against the Holocaust, but it’s so old that any argument you have against it would just sound like whining.

      • DEADP00L

        I do not evoke that period in time for any reason be it political or careless discussion. You using it to discuss the sentiments of a TV show is just random and weird. one is fiction the other is real life. How they bare any relation to you is just strange to me.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        The relation is that both are in the past and so any discussion of them is done upon reflection. Whether something has been over for years is entirely meaningless – that event still happened and is just as relevant to a conversation about that subject (whether it be history or television, and even more so when the subject is the history of the Jewish people or superhero media) in present day. For you to casually toss aside a piece of history for a medium for the ridiculous reason that it’s “been over for years” is ridiculous if it’s pertinent to the discussion at hand. Just as no one (except for crazy Holocaust deniers) would ever toss aside a historical atrocity when discussing the legacy of a people just because it’s “been over for years”.

      • DEADP00L

        One is fiction and the other is real life dude. You are allowed to forget fiction. In fact that’s why reboots are done – to rejuvenate, reintroduce or forget a past movie or show. You want to make this a bigger issue I for one have no interest in doing that. This started with talking about fiction and it’s ending with talking about fiction; if you want to discus real life I suggest going on a discussion board.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        History is history. And as the old saying goes, those who don’t remember it are doomed to repeat it. The only difference here is the context. The context here is superhero media, but it’s history all the same. Thus the comparison is apt. Real life also has its “reboots” in the form of coup d’etats, revolutions, etc. – but that doesn’t mean we forget what came before. It’s still a discussion about fiction, and more specifically it’s about how all fiction, past and present informs the future of a medium’s development. So no, remembering and commenting on an awful show that’s been over for years isn’t irrelevant, it’s in fact quite pertinent to the conversation at hand.

      • DEADP00L

        If that show was so horrible how could it survive so many seasons? Granted it got a little repetitive after a while but the overall idea was that it was an origins story. It had a great concept and it proved that Superman wasn’t just some mindless bronze man with no depth and no story other than a bible like reference.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Okay, first of all, Two and a Half Men proves that a show can be utter shit and run for far too long while still finding a loyal audience, but even so, let’s entertain this line of thought. Smallville survived despite its quality for three reasons:

        1) it was on the CW for it’s final five seasons where expectations are hilariously low for ratings (for example, Supernatural has survived on ratings that would have had it canceled almost anywhere else) and since it overperformed for the network for its first five seasons (which are admittedly not as bad), it stayed alive even as its viewership hit a steep decline in the back five, and

        2) Tom Welling was a sizable producer for the series’s final two seasons, and even said he’d keep producing the show because he owed it to fans to get it right and

        3) again, it was on the CW, where the target audience is notoriously easy to please most of the time (see: Vampire Diaries, Beauty and the Beast, etc.) Combine that with people who’d invested in the show and thus were determined to see it through, and you have just enough of an audience to keep a show that long exhausted its potential on air.

      • DEADP00L

        That is all rational and valid but what you’re forgetting tis he story and how good the actors were for a great part of it. That’s why i stuck around as long as I did ( I got up to season 7 then gave up though) Lex Luthor Lionel Luther dynamic was a refreshing angle to Lex Luthors origin. He wasn’t a thug like the comics, nor a cheese fest baddy, or resentful because he went bald. You have to admit the take on each character for a time really was refreshing AND it did create a new Superman Fanbase for DC which kept interest in Superman alive.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Yes, some of the plots points they used were interesting, but the writing was always huge on the cheese factor, and in those back five seasons it looked like they took a huge budget cut but kept trying to tell big stories that their new budget couldn’t support. Consequently, things like the Justice Society looked comically bad (that hawk man costume still makes me laugh). Can I appreciate what the show tried to do? Sure, but I also recognize that it ultimately did it very poorly and in a way specifically dumbed down/made overly melodramatic to cater to its teen demo. On the other hand, it’ because of the failures and lessons learned in Smallville that Arrow is surprisingly good for what it is.

      • DEADP00L

        I do have to agree the justice angle was what actually lost me after Aquamans appearance I knew I was done with it. It totally lost the plot once other super heroes came in.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        It was like, “Wait, Clark, you see how openly all these other superheroes do their duties (and in costumes that look like subpar cosplay), and yet you insist on being ‘the blur’ in a jean jacket? You’re the worst.”

      • Clarence Boddicker

        You brought up Smallville. WTF man.

      • DEADP00L

        I do not evoke that period in time for any reason be it political or careless discussion. You using it to discuss the sentiments of a TV show is just random and weird. one is fiction the other is real life. How they bare any relation to you is just strange to me.

      • Rob

        I would just like to point out that you were in fact the one that brought up Smallville in the first place. Both I and Lex Walker brought up our disdain for the show because you brought it into the argument in the first place.

      • Clarence Boddicker

        You brought up Smallville. WTF man.

      • Ruprect

        You are THE LAST person on this site who should be calling someone on saying something “doesn’t count because it renders your argument moot”. Your hypocricy is boundless.

      • Rob

        The gas station WAS Superman’s fault. I Attributed that to him in my message. The ensuing fight, though, WAS NOT Superman’s fault. Zod has already told him that he’s going to use the kodex to rebuild Krypton on earth over humanity. And it’s not Superman that brings Zod to Smallville, it’s his desire for the kodex. Whether it was going to happen in Smallville or not at some point if he was going to stop Zod there was GOING to be a fight.

        Putting the blame on Superman for starting the fight is like putting the blame on a guy for starting a gang fight because he stops it’s leader from attacking his mother.

      • DEADP00L

        Yes because that gas station blowing up and the fight that ensued shortly after was totally not Supermans fault…

        He only dragged Zods ass into it after pining through a corn field and the town water tank.

      • Faptain America

        EXACTLY!! Wish I could +100 this.

      • Forrest

        Thank you for replying Rob! I agree that by killing the Kryptonians, Earth’s population was saved but I believe that this is a utilitarian view (i.e. akin to Hitler, killing the minority to “preserve” the majority) that runs contrary to the character of Superman who is a symbol of hope and idealism which MOS never remotely even touches.

        There are a thousand ways, Superman could’ve stopped Zod such as slamming his head into the ground, covering Zod’s eyes with his own arm, flying into the sky, etc. The fact is that Zod’s death along with Pa Kent’s death were in vain and were hamfisted attempts to “humanize” Superman just like giving him a son in Superman: Returns.

        In terms of a character arc, he refrains from using physical violence on bullies at the beginning of the movie. Fast forward to the end, he kills a guy with his bare hands. That my friends, is a negative character arc and the makings of a villain.

      • Rob

        I’m not justifying the loss of life in Man of Steel, I’m just saying that the loss of life in that fight happens indirectly because of Superman’s actions, not because he’s not going out trying to kill people, quite the opposite, he’s doing what he can to save people. You could argue that he isn’t successful in doing that, I’d disagree with you, but that you could argue.

        Jonathan’s death in the movie IS sloppy and handled badly. The fact is that Jonathan died needlessly because Clark could have easily gotten the dog out of the car without revealing his powers to the people around him.

        Killing Zod however, I disagree with you. Yes, Superman could have tried to cover Zod’s eyes with his arm but doing so could have allowed his grip to be loosened, thus possibly letting Zod out of the headlock. He could have tried to push Zod’s head in a different direction, but he couldn’t turn Zod’s heat vision off. Even if Superman had stopped Zod from killing THOSE people the fact is the longer the fight continued the more people would be at risk.

        Zod more or less forced Superman to kill him. No prison could have held Zod, and Zod has already told him the only way to stop him would be to kill him, he wasn’t going to stop attacking any other way. In that way Zod won the fight, in the same way Joker ultimately won in The Dark Knight.

        And had the movie shown Superman to relish the kill then I’d have been up in arms. But it’s not like he kills Zod, realizes how much fun it was, and goes on a rampage. He begs Zod to stop his attack, and then when Zod refuses, compromises himself to stop it. And doing so pains him.

        I can’t see how that makes him a villain.

        Also, I apologize for the crack about your intelligence. When I first started writing it seemed like a good way to start but looking at it it seems immature now.

      • Forrest

        Thanks Rob! I’ve heard a lot of Forrest Gump jokes but that was a new one lol

        That’s interesting when you said- “In that way Zod won the fight, in the same way Joker ultimately won in The Dark Knight.” I never really thought of it that way, but when Rachel Dawes died, Batman quit for 8 years which would’ve been Joker’s dream- not for Batman to die but to be disgraced into exile.

        Going back to the original topic, despite my contempt for MOS, I do seriously hope that these Justice League movies will be awesome and I’m looking forward to the more straight and narrow Superman. Here’s to hoping!

      • suave

        An internet troll worthy of the name

  • bidi

    “doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the rule-following Superman…”

    normally i don’t reference the Zod neck-snap because i think it worked for that movie. but unless Batman is a fucking serial killer, i’m not sure how he could be worse than Superman, who’s described as “rule-following.” based on the description of Batman and the lengths that Superman went to in MoS to stop Zod, how would they NOT see eye-to-eye. “so you killed that guy?” “yeah, i had to” “ok, sounds good”

  • The Flobbit

    This all sounds cool. I just hope that Diana’s suit doesn’t get Snyder-ized, aka given gritty texture and dulled to a murky blue.

    Secondly, is this Batman vs Superman, or Batman and Superman, or Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Cyborg vs Lex? Make up your mind and don’t go all reverse Batman and Robin on us with too many heroes.

    Lastly, I can only shudder to think of a villain that needs Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to kick its sorry ass. I hope we don’t get as much destruction as before.

    • Tiny Tim

      If anything between Avengers level destruction or MOS. Not a big difference to be honest

    • Tiny Tim

      If anything between Avengers level destruction or MOS. Not a big difference to be honest

      • The Flobbit

        HAHAHAHAHAA. Go watch the movie for real, and tell me that again.

    • Faptain America

      I love seeing destruction, as long as it’s interesting to look at and has a point, unlike the Transformers movies. I loved the ending of Man of Steel, it could have been longer. The destruction was required and there’s no way we’re getting less of it in the sequel.
      This young and edgy Lexcorp has to be a front for Luthor’s military industrial aims. Given his ego, he’s probably going to build Metallo, or Doomsday, or call down freakin’ Darkseid or Brainiac by the end of this one. Otherwise yes, who needs a semi-JL to take down a mere billionaire?

      • The Flobbit

        If what you say about the destruction is true, and if its anything like the first film, then I do not want to see this movie. Or at least, I will walk out of the goddamn theatre when the buildings begin to fall.

        Man of Steel’s ending was tasteless, poorly written, gratuitous, illogical, and shoddy.

  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    I think the cards are stacked against this film and for obvious reasons:
    -MOS was very divided (I thought it was a refreshing take on the iconic hero – was a huge fan of the Donner films growing up but wanted to see a new take on the character) but a lot of people, justifiably, didn’t like the darker take and dour feel to Superman.
    -Hiring Ben Affleck as Batman. Beyond strange at first but it now seems to make sense as his relationship w WB is very strong given their recent track record and he was probably hired more for his off screen talent than on screen (great director w steller crew but decent actor). It shows because Chris Terrio is now rewriting Goyer’s story. Yes we all know about Daredevil but I actually liked him in that film – bad movie but not because of his acting. The guy just looks like Bruce Wayne/Batman. He unfortunately become so infamous from 1998 – 2006 that we all just see him in whatever movie he’s in. But he seems to be on the right track with his career and I would assume that he’d pick a project this large unless he really felt comfortable with the talent running it – and probably have a say in the final product.
    -Trying to compete w the existing Marvel universe. How do you compete without coming off as blatant copycat? Take a brand new approach and have films that differ than solo outings (Vs. and team up films). I think it’s great and can really show how different comic book films can really be in a shared universe setting. The issue comes down is who will be the person overseeing all of these films (Kevin Feige type of presence?).
    -Cramming tons of well known characters into one film without a backstory or introduction? Well if anyone has every watched any of the Animated films by DC they don’t have a solo film for each hero in them. Justice League:Doom is a great film that the film series could be trying to emulate. Even the JL comic books don’t have solo outings of the characters – it’s not like they necessarily followed which Batman/Superman canon as tons of writers gave their own backstories to each character. I still think of Burton’s ’89 Batman – no backstory was really needed other than a 5 min flashback showing his parent’s murder. Burton just jumped right into a film w Batman already in existance.

    I won’t lie as it seems like the movie is going to fail (Snyder’s film resume is very polarizing) and WB seems eager to get their Justice League film out without any type of real warm up (personally I thought a Flash film in between BVS and Justice League would help leviate some of that weight) but I do applaud them for trying to take a different route than what Marvel has already accomplished. I really loved The Watchmen (again another polarizing film) and maybe Snyder can bring back the same magic for this film.

    It’s like ’89 Batman fiasco all over again (Director of Pee-Wee and starring Mr. Mom?). All we can do is hope that the product comes out just as great as that movie did.

    • Zoboo

      I said a while ago that DC is to Marvel as Gobots are to Transformers. But in all reality, I think WW, Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern are all deserving of the Marvel treatment … the slow, character focused solo movies that ends up with them all combining in a later movie. Here, we’re getting basically a Superman lead into Justlce League 0.5. It feels like a rush to JL proper whereas Marvel did it really, really well. It’s too bad, and it’s going to feel bloated. It’s too bad. Hopefully they’ll get lucky with this approach.

      • California

        Marvel treatment of a black Widow and Hawkeye?

      • Zoboo

        BW was introduced before avengers, right? Granted, barely. I think the difference for me is the majority of characters were introduced and allowed to shine ahead of time. This one is the other way around, even Batman will be “foreign” to us.

  • justaguy

    Does it make me a nitpicky fanboy to want WW to have silver instead of gold in her outfit?

    • Loso_Rocks

      The video mentions that her cuffs are silver and go up to her elbows.

      • DEADP00L

        They would have to. to hide those stick arms and lack of mass on them.

      • DEADP00L

        They would have to. to hide those stick arms and lack of mass on them.

    • Loso_Rocks

      The video mentions that her cuffs are silver and go up to her elbows.

  • MoFu

    Kinda strange when people say they’re making shit up as they go along… First it was going to be a MOS sequel then they added batman because batman makes more money (as if 291 million$ for first film in US BoxOffice isn’t success) & then they added WW cuz of Gravity & HG success (not for the fact that several female lead film have been successful before)… & then they added him & him cuz blah blah blah… Cuz they didn’t say it’ll have other heros in it!

    Just stop!
    They first thing WB ever announced was in ComicCon was a BATMAN & SUPERMAN team up/VS film when they showed the logos… When did WW & Cyborg etc came in; why the fuck do we want to know now… Should Zack had gone up & said & “along with BATMAN & SUPERMAN we have WW, CYBORG & AQUAMAN etc in the film with Luther & so DO NOT worry 3 years before the release of the film, we have every thing planned out … We won’t be adding anything now because it’ll be RUSHING IT… We know that; hence we are already finishing the script of the BATMAN film we are gona realese in 2019 within this year 2014; cuz god forbid if we took it to next year it’ll be RUSHING it… ”
    & he should lay out the entire plot & synopsis 3 years in advance cuz only then all fan boys can be certain about the quality of the film!
    They should’ve said its BATMAN V SUPERMAN & WW & AQUAMAN & CYBORG VS LUTHOR… at comic con; & then all cynics will be “well since they announce the ENTIRE cast 3 years in advance, that guarantees the films quality & that they are NOT following MARVEL & are NOT RUSHING it” good talk!

  • DEADP00L

    I suspect Batman is a pedo because I can’t think of anything more worse than a murderer. MOS superman follows the rules… as he has a tantrum and instead of just flicking the dude away once he’s outside; he decides to destroy private property (truck), refuses to cooperate with earths governments, trashes towns killing people after having a hissy fit and destroys military hardware paid by the tax payer. If that’s a rule follower can’t imagine what’s worse. Maybe Batman’s a pedo-murderer? Or maybe he’s just into hentia anime and re-enacts them? What can possibly worse than MOS rule following Superman?! There is no rule he doesn’t break in that movie!

    Except for that one time he let his dad die, which incidentally, is the one rule he should have broken..and eventually did anyway!

    • marrowbonez

      A hissy-fit? I’m pretty sure I would lose my shit and start beating someone’s ass right then and there if I saw someone smack my mom. It could be in the middle of a kindergarten classroom full of napping toddlers and I don’t think many people would be able to control themselves if they saw their mother get hit. Maybe, you would calmly walk up and say “excuse me buddy, but would you care to step outside?”

      • DEADP00L

        Actually yeah that is exactly what I would have have done. I blame my grandfather for that. Fights like that are taken outside for a reason.

    • Kaine Morrison

      Tentacle Porn for the win!

  • namexam xam

    Scrawny Wonder, Batfat and Superthief.
    Well done, Snyder.

  • Person

    Nothing matters til we see some finished footage.

    • Clarence Boddicker

      Exactly.

    • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

      They are saying Snyder will reveal a teaser of footage at comic con next month. Hopefully it’s something that gives us a teaser of what the plot will be.

      • Person

        That’d be nice, he/Nolan/WB in general are usually good at staying ahead of set photos and giving people what they want without spoiling too much.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Based on stories saying he was stepping back, Nolan’s not really involved anymore. It’s pretty much a name only credit from here on out.

      • Person

        Stepping back cuz he wasn’t happy with MoS/Snyder, or because he’s busy with Interstellar? I noticed that he was being mentioned less regarding BvS but I figured it was just cuz people were so focused on all the speculative “news.”

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        His name is officially out of all press releases, and the real reason why is hidden in Hollywood speak. Chalk it up to him wanting to get back to dedicating himself to his own career, or read between the lines on the report that came out after MoS had been out for a month wherein we learn Nolan didn’t like the Zod killing or rampant destruction (I think it was the former, I’ll google it later) but Snyder and Goyer insisted and so they went with it. Based on that, artistic differences doesn’t seem out of the question.

      • Person

        Makes sense, thanks for the info.

  • Daddy WB.

    The publicity machine/rumor mill keep$ grinding on and everyone fall$ for it. Nothing primarily written or known about thi$ film but rumor, $peculation, and hear$ay. Way to go Internet reader$! Your emotions are worth billion$ in free advertising! Keep it going, I need that new Bentley.

  • Guest

    Honestly, this is a better option that what all these “fantasy casting” douches come up with. They usually go with the hottest name when they act like they are putting the movie together.

  • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

    Will Wonder Woman wear a golden Bra or not ? I need to know.

    • DEADP00L

      hahahahaaaa! I knew it was going to be you that said that.

      • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

        couldn’t resist. ^^

  • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

    “and doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the rule-following Superman”

    Have we seen this Superman yet? I mean, I think we specifically saw him being defiant at the end of MoS by downing a drone right in front of a military officer.

  • Grendal Sven

    Battle-ready with a skirt?

  • Royale With Cheese

    “Doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the rule following Superman” huh? The guy is breaking necks and demolishing cities, which rules is he following? Batman is the one with the rules.

    • Kyle Chandler

      I actually enjoyed MoS, but that sentence made zero sense to me.

  • DEADP00L

    I can safely say I have NEVER laughed so much from the comments section on a collider page.

  • Mark

    Can’t wait to finally see her on the big screen. Glad they’re being faithful to her look. Hope the colour’s aren’t dulled and Snyderised.

    • DEADP00L

      Gal Gadot is not wonderwoman unless WW is now a klingon.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Or a nigh anorexic model.

  • Steven

    Gal Gadot needs to eat a few burgers and lift some weights. She’s very attractive and all but rather skinny for such an iconic role.

    • The Flobbit

      I am sick and tired of this argument from people like you. I promise you that you will have nothing bad to say about her physique when the movie comes out.

    • Polarboy

      Cause no one has ever trained and put weight/muscle for a movie and obviously she won’t have the best trainers on the planet and Snyder is not a director who has worked with actors who went through intense training. (end sarcasm) ;)

    • Polarboy

      Cause no one has ever trained and put weight/muscle for a movie and obviously she won’t have the best trainers on the planet and Snyder is not a director who has worked with actors who went through intense training. (end sarcasm) ;)

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  • Crimsin Viper

    Well I think she needs a battle costume to do battle.Wonder Woman is an Amazon Warrior .Have they not learned People think Lex is corny .

  • theseeker7

    I wouldn’t have called Black Widow’s role in Iron Man 2 “cameo-plus” sized at all. That was pretty much a legit supporting role.

    • mike_thoms

      I think when they say cameo-plus it’s more about how it was clearly a set-up for another movie. We didn’t really learn a ton about the character in Iron Man 2 (at least if you’re not a comic book reader)

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