Ben Affleck Talks about His Initial Hesitance to Play Batman in BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN

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Ben Affleck took a large amount of unwarranted flack when he was cast as Batman in Zack Snyder‘s Batman vs. Superman.  But Affleck, being a smart guy, was more concerned not with the backlash, which will likely subside since everyone who complained will still see the movie, but with how to play the character following Christian Bale‘s take in Christopher Nolan‘s Dark Knight Trilogy.  In a recent interview, Affleck said the hesitance became excitement at the prospect of doing something new while still holding to the traditions of the character.  I’m curious to see what those “traditions” entail beyond the cape and cowl since the character has been re-imagined so many times over this 74-year history.

Hit the jump for more.  The film also stars Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Diane Lane, and Lawrence Fishburne.  The untitled Batman vs. Superman opens July 17, 2015.

ben-affleckSpeaking to Al Norton and 411Mania.com [via CS], Affleck explained the factors that were involved in deciding to play the iconic character:

Do you remember your first thought when the idea of you playing Batman was originally presented to you and was there a tipping point in your decision making process, a moment where you started to think, “I really want to do this”?

BEN AFFLECK: Initially I was reluctant as I felt I didn’t fit the traditional mold but once Zack showed me the concept, and that it would be both different from the great movies that Chris and Christian made but still in keeping with tradition I was excited. Doing something different and new is always tricky and part of the thrill and the risk is that initially it confounds expectations. The truth is, it’s the movie and the execution of it is what all the actors depend on and I believe in Zack’s vision.

Affleck also confirmed the Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara‘s description of the new Batman as “tired and weary and seasoned and been doing it for awhile”, but the actor wouldn’t say more than that because he wants “to capitalize on what is new about this iteration by having it be a surprise to the audience.”

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  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    I really hope they go with Kevin Smith’s idea with the voice changer as part of the costume. Since he’s suppose to be an older Batman I am expecting him to have better suits and gadgets as he will have had time to perfect them over the years. Hopefully they go with a sleaker suit that resembles something closer to Tim Burton’s Batman, only more practical, and not the bulky suit from Nolan’s franchise.

    • Kevin

      I’m hoping for more cloth and more color. There were some leaked concept pictures that had a black and red costume, don’t know how legitimate they were though.

      • brNdon

        Those were from the proposed “Batman: Year One” movie that was going to be made before Nolan took over.

    • sense11

      Kevin Smith is terrible and should be kept as far away from this movie as possible

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        Sorry but I disagree. Jay & Silent Bob is probably one of the funniest movies to come out in a long time. He’s an excellent director of comedies and has written some great comic archs during his time at DC and Marvel. His input of his comic knowledge would only be beneficial as he has an understanding of how filmaking works in the industry. Just watch his show Comic Book Men on AMC.

      • AdeoAdversary

        Ya, Jay and Silent Bob is pretty damn hilarious, and the voice changer idea could be cool as long as its a subtle sort of change. As far as the costume, I would love to see the classic grey bodysuit armor like they did in Arkham City, that could be cool.

      • brNdon

        I like the look from The New 52. I would love to see black and grey on the screen but I think the costume from the games makes Batman way too bulky. The games are great, though.

        The best buff Batman goes to Frank Miller.

      • sense11

        LMAO

  • Daniel Ronczkowski

    Hopefully he sits down with Papa Smith to do a Fatman on Batman.

  • Btbcc12859

    My only request tone down the gravel and keep the cloth cape. No Leather!!!!

  • cloud720

    Affleck should have went with his gut.

    • enderandrew

      He was most recently the lead actor in the film that won Best Picture and swept every award on the planet.

      He turned in good acting performances in Chasing Amy, School Ties, Argo, The Town, Good Will Hunting, The Company Men, Hollywoodland, etc. and people are calling him the worst actor on the planet.

      He has appeared in some bad movies, but he isn’t a bad actor by any means and people need to calm the fuck down.

      • The Flobbit

        You are the only one who should calm the f-ck down. Ben Affleck has some decent performances, but on the whole he is a phenomenal director and a wooden, one-note actor. That is just my opinion, but I know I share it with thousands of others.

        He may do ok as Batman. He may be awful and wooden. Let’s just say he was never on the list of people I would say would be the best Batman (Richard Armitage, Jim Caviezel, Josh Brolin). He wouldn’t even make the top 15. But the only time we will truly know whether Batfleck will be a hit or no will be 2015. And NOT before.

      • Guest

        I would have liked Caviezel a lot. When it’s the right role, Ben can surprise people. All we can do is hope we’re surprised.

      • Guest

        I would have liked Caviezel a lot. When it’s the right role, Ben can surprise people. All we can do is hope we’re surprised.

      • JBug

        It would have been the Count of Monte Cristo all over again ;).

      • The Flobbit

        In what way is Batman similar to a man wrongfully imprisoned who escapes and wreaks calculated revenge on his enemies? But if it is in any way similar to that brilliant, entertaining, devilishly beautiful film…I’m in.

      • JBug

        Caviezel played the Count and Cavill played the Count’s biological son.

      • JBug

        Caviezel played the Count and Cavill played the Count’s biological son.

      • The Flobbit

        Haha! Ohhh you’re right. Back when Cavill was an angsty pipsqueak! Good catch!

      • The Flobbit

        Haha! Ohhh you’re right. Back when Cavill was an angsty pipsqueak! Good catch!

      • lee

        I forgot about that. Batman having played Supes’ dad would be hilarious. Honestly, I love Caviezel but I can’t picture him as the gritty Frank Miller Batman. He’s too slight, and too dour for me to buy him as Bruce Wayne.

        I’m not going to lie and say I’m confident Affleck will work but I’m hopeful.

      • JBug

        It would have been the Count of Monte Cristo all over again ;).

      • Faptain America

        Wooden is exactly why Affleck is right for this. Batman is a wooden character. Limited range, growl punch disappear repeat. Now, Bruce Wayne can be expanded and made more interesting, but no film has made Batman as interesting as, say, the cartoon Batman in The Dark Knight Returns.

      • Faptain America

        Wooden is exactly why Affleck is right for this. Batman is a wooden character. Limited range, growl punch disappear repeat. Now, Bruce Wayne can be expanded and made more interesting, but no film has made Batman as interesting as, say, the cartoon Batman in The Dark Knight Returns.

      • The_Smirking_Revenge

        Affleck is anything but wooden. go watch a fuckin’ movie for christ’s sake. You are always talkin’ outta your ass…

        It’s like you hear these terms thrown around and you just regurgitate them without even understanding the meaning. The Dictionary is your friend…Use it every now and then.

      • Guest

        “But the only time we will truly know whether Batfleck will be a hit or no will be 2015. And NOT before.”

        Exactly. So maybe everyone that’s whining about Ben Affleck playing Batman without having seen ANY footage whatsoever yet SHOULD calm the fuck down :) Incidentally, enderandrew seemed perfectly calm to me when I read his reply…

      • The Flobbit

        He may have *seemed calm, but inside he was seething with rage. And I feel entitled to whine all I want. So can everyone else. Affleck is not and never will be the Batman I wanted. I am just hoping he can surprise me.

      • The Flobbit

        You are the only one who should calm the f-ck down. Ben Affleck has some decent performances, but on the whole he is a phenomenal director and a wooden, one-note actor. That is just my opinion, but I know I share it with thousands of others.

        He may do ok as Batman. He may be awful and wooden. Let’s just say he was never on the list of people I would say would be the best Batman (Richard Armitage, Jim Caviezel, Josh Brolin). He wouldn’t even make the top 15. But the only time we will truly know whether Batfleck will be a hit or no will be 2015. And NOT before.

      • Guest

        He is a terrible actor, one of the worst actually. Besides he seems like an unlikable douche. But the movie will be standard generic movie fare, so who cares.

      • Mike Bond

        One of the worst actors? Really?? You have to admit you’re exaggerating jusssst a bit, right? And apparently you cared enough to post in a comments section about it, so you can’t really care AND not care at the same time lol

      • Guest

        All I care about is Affleck NOT working as an actor and ruining movie after movie with his bad acting.

      • Guest

        All I care about is Affleck NOT working as an actor and ruining movie after movie with his bad acting.

      • Guest

        He is a terrible actor, one of the worst actually. Besides he seems like an unlikable douche. But the movie will be standard generic movie fare, so who cares.

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “He was most recently the lead actor in the film that won Best Picture and swept every award on the planet.”

        You’re disingenuously trying to say he is a good actor for being in a movie that won Best Picture. Notice that there was noise made when Affleck was not nominated for a directing award at the Oscars but no noise for the fact he wasn’t nominated for acting.

        “He turned in good acting performances in Chasing Amy, School Ties, Argo,The Town, Good Will Hunting, The Company Men, Hollywoodland, etc. and people are calling him the worst actor on the planet.”

        He was the weakest element in every single one of those movies. Especially in Argo where Ben Affleck revealed himself to be a white supremacist (as well as George Clooney) by denying a Latino American the chance to play a real life Latino CIA Agent who was the hero of the story in an age where Latinos are demonized in the media. Ben Affleck proves that Hollywood is a white supremacist institution that wants white actors for the best parts and lead roles. They constantly practice whitewashing so that nonwhite actors are pushed to the side in favor of whites. Whites can see themselves as the main characters and heroes in movies but nonwhites cannot. Argo was another episode in this disgusting Hollywood tradition.

        “He has appeared in some bad movies, but he isn’t a bad actor by any means”

        Yes, he is.

      • brNdon

        If by “white supremacist” you mean “run by Jews,” then yes you’re right.

      • The_Smirking_Revenge

        You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried. You’re entitled to your opinion, but don’t pass it off as fact.

      • Mike Bond

        LOL I love how assuming Ben Affleck denied someone a part in a movie because he’s latino automatically makes him a white supremacist. Internet “logic” at it’s finest!

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        I love how someone talks about a subject that they have no idea about. Hollywood has had a long tradition of flat out whitewashing roles so that nonwhites cannot play them and are reduced to supporting roles and stereotypes. This is a flat out racist action. Ben Affleck and George Clooney did this in Argo. Well, if you engage in a racist act what does that make you?? Barney the Dinosaur??

      • Mike Bond

        Yes, the “whitewashing” in Hollywood is a pretty well known fact, as is the fact that I didn’t deny it existed. What I DID say — and you seem to not understand — is that it’s pretty ignorant to automatically brand someone a racist just because a white person didn’t give someone else an automatic advantage just because they aren’t white, especially when you have absolutely zero evidence to back it up. In fact, I’d say what you’re doing is even worse than blindly calling someone a racist; being a white supremacist is whole entirely different level of racist!

        But the point is, unless you were on set during the production of “Argo”, and spoke directly to Ben Affleck about all of his personal motivations when it came to casting, you don’t know shit about it. End of discussion.

        And while we’re on the subject of people speaking on topics they know nothing about, you might find this interview with the real life Tony Mendez interesting: http://nbclatino.com/2013/01/10/argos-real-tony-mendez-im-not-hispanic/

        Since Mr. Mendez is actually only part Hispanic (and by the way, he doesn’t even consider himself strictly Hispanic), one could argue it would have been just as “racist” if Ben Affleck didn’t cast someone who was Irish, or Italian. But maybe Ben really saw himself shining in that role, or maybe he just really, really wanted to play a guy with a full beard…who the fuck knows? Guess what? It’s his movie and he gets to cast whoever the hell he wants — and that includes Barney!

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “is that it’s pretty ignorant to automatically brand someone a racist just because a white person didn’t give someone else an automatic advantage just because they aren’t white, especially when you have absolutely zero evidence to back it up”

        You make absolutely no sense. You say there is whitewashing then say that George Clooney and Ben Affleck did not whitewash even though they did whitewash.

        What a horrendous argument.

        “In fact, I’d say what you’re doing is even worse than blindly calling someone a racist”

        Only someone afraid of losing their white privilege would say something so weak.

        “being a white supremacist is whole entirely different level of racist!”

        No, it’s a specific kind of racism. If you believe whites are superior to everyone else then you are a white supremacist.

        “But the point is, unless you were on set during the production of “Argo”, and spoke directly to Ben Affleck about all of his personal motivations when it came to casting, you don’t know shit about it. End of discussion.”

        What a joke of suggestion. So unless anyone is present when a crime is taking placing talking to the criminal while he is committing the crime to find out what their personal motivation was for committing the crime then no one can ever be held accountable for a crime happening??

        That’s your logic??

        Such an amazing display of ignorance.

        “And while we’re on the subject of people speaking on topics they know nothing about, you might find this interview with the real life Tony Mendez interesting”

        You’re not pulling anything new, kid. I’ve seen all these plays before.

        Mendez says in the interview, “Yeah, but I don’t think of myself as a Hispanic. I think of myself as a person who grew up in the desert.”

        You hear that? He isn’t saying he is white. He is simply saying he didn’t grow up in a Hispanic household since his Mexican father died when he was a boy. “Hispanic” and “Latino” are two different terms. “Hispanic” simply means related to the Spanish language. Mendez is Latino and not white and it doesn’t matter if he speaks Spanish or not. He is still non white.

        That’s like saying that any real life African American can be played by a white guy in a movie just because that African American doesn’t speak some African language.

        Ridiculous.

        “Since Mr. Mendez is actually only part Hispanic”

        He’s half Latino. Half white people aren’t white.

        “one could argue it would have been just as “racist” if Ben Affleck didn’t cast someone who was Irish, or Italian”

        You pull out horrible argument after horrible argument.

        Under your logic, a white guy has as much right to play Barack Obama as any black guy in a movie despite the fact that Barack Obama doesn’t look white at all.

        “But maybe Ben really saw himself shining in that role”

        And that proves his delusion. He doesn’t look anything like Mendez whatsoever.

        “or maybe he just really, really wanted to play a guy with a full beard”

        Yeah, that’s how whitewashing happens, buddy. White people in power just want to take roles and they can give a damn if nonwhites are being marginalized.

      • Mike Bond

        Wow, are you like this in real life? It must be stressful constantly jumping to the most extreme conclusions when presented with the barest minimum of information. Let me spell it out for you: Yes, I agree there is whitewashing in Hollywood. NO, I don’t think EVERY single director, actor, producer, etc is guilty of it, and if YOU do, then you’ve got bigger issues than I thought.

        “No, it’s a specific kind of racism. If you believe whites are superior to everyone else then you are a white supremacist.”

        Yes, as I said (reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit , huh?) being a white supremacist — which generally means you’re in the KKK or some other organization, or at least believe in taking control over all other races — is a much more extreme type of racist. They are NOT the EXACT same thing. In case that still doesn’t sink in: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20supremacist

        I’ll make my point again, even though I’m sure it will still just bounce around inside that empty skull you seem to have: to call Ben Affleck or George Clooney (who I never even brought up, fyi), or ANYONE for that matter, a white supremacist based on an internet-born non-controversy that even Tony Mendez himself didn’t even consider to be a controversy, or to assume you know their entire belief system based on that, proves you are a fucking moron.

        “What a joke of suggestion. So unless anyone is present when a crime is
        taking placing talking to the criminal while he is committing the crime
        to find out what their personal motivation was for committing the crime
        then no one can ever be held accountable for a crime happening?”

        …well, you’ve stumped me there, because I have no idea how you think there’s suddenly some “crime” involved or even where that argument you just pulled out of your ass came from in the first place. I’d say come back down to earth with the rest of us for a minute, but I’ve really wasted about as much time I can spare debating anything with someone like you, so to end this clusterfuck of (your) ideas, here’s some cliff’s notes:

        1. Not *every* white person is racist/a white supremacist out to cause strife for every non white person.

        2. If you feel the above is true and you are not a white person, maybe people just treat you like shit because you’re an asshole?

        3. To ever assume you know ANYTHING about a person — especially one you don’t even KNOW in real life and have never met! — based on assumptions from OTHER people that also do not hold any actual, verifiable evidence, well, as I said, it sounds like you’ve got much bigger problems!

        4. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        ” It must be stressful constantly jumping to the most extreme conclusions when presented with the barest minimum of information”

        First of all, there is more than plenty of information available. You just keep ignoring it because either you’re ignorant as hell or you want to protect white privilege.

        Anyway, I repeat:

        So unless anyone is present when a crime is taking placing talking to the criminal while he is committing the crime to find out what their personal motivation was for committing the crime then no one can ever be held accountable for a crime happening??

        That’s your logic??

        Such an amazing display of ignorance.

        “Yes, as I said (reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit , huh?) being a white supremacist — which generally means you’re in the KKK or some other organization,”

        No. You don’t have to join an organization to be a white supremacist. Holding nonwhites back from opportunities and giving whites preferential treatment is practicing white supremacy.

        “In case that still doesn’t sink in”

        It’s hilarious you posted that when the definition proves you wrong. You’re reading comprehension is so terrible you only focus on this part “and that white people should have control over people of other races” and ignore the first part which is this “a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races”.

        Giving whites better treatment and opportunities than nonwhites is believing that “that the white race is inherently superior to other races”.

        “…well, you’ve stumped me there,”

        It’s your logic being fed back to you. Don’t blame me if you can’t make sense out of it since no one with a fully formed mind can. That’s you looking in a mirror, pal.

        “because I have no idea how you think there’s suddenly some “crime” involved or even where that argument you just pulled out of your ass came from in the first place”

        You don’t know how it can be a crime, Mr. I’ll pull out dictionary definitions but never bother to read them?

        Here’s one of the meanings of “crime” according to Merriam-Webster: “something reprehensible, foolish, or disgraceful”.

        It’s absolutely amazing how you dare call others “a fucking moron” and put on a show of ignorance that is astounding.

        “1. Not *every* white person is racist/a white supremacist out to cause strife for every non white person.”

        And when did I say that?

        “3. To ever assume you know ANYTHING about a person — especially one you don’t even KNOW in real life and have never met! — based on assumptions from OTHER people that also do not hold any actual, verifiable evidence, well, as I said, it sounds like you’ve got much bigger problems!”

        You can refer back to my crime analogy but I’ll give it to you here another way since you aren’t the brightest crayon in the box.

        Your definition of “evidence” isn’t “evidence”. Even after you post the definition, you are actually still saying that you have to have the person admit to you that their motivation was such for it to be the case. What you are too dense to understand is that that’s not how it works. No trial has ever said that the only way to lock someone up is unless the suspect admits to their crime. Your argument is beyond senseless.

        The end result is that nonwhites got screwed over by having a role getting whitewashed yet again. However, you’re saying that it doesn’t count because Ben Affleck and George Clooney didn’t say in public that they think nonwhites are beneath him?? Who the hell do you think you’re fooling with your transparent nonsense?

        You’re looking so stupid here. Go do something more productive with your time like chasing after shiny objects.

  • Unique Jenique

    I respect Ben Affleck. I always have. I wish him luck and I can’t wait to see the film in 2015. :)

  • http://buzzabit.com/aaron/ Aaron Sullivan

    You know, if I didn’t respect him so much as a director now, I’d probably have had a negative reaction when I heard the news as well. I now know that Ben Affleck is smart and can show restraint. As an actor, thanks to his own movies, he’s shown range and that he can pull off the brooding where there the audience can actually feel what’s going on behind his eyes.

    That and Batman is going to have to be very different to make another go at it in the theaters.

    So, my reaction was. “Huh, there’s some thought to this decision. This could go somewhere good.”

    Please, though. Somebody write something awesome for the script. I loved how Man of Steel told so much through images with few words and built up this character until the 3rd act when the struggle of the characters internally just wasn’t clear or interesting anymore. It was just fight, fight, fight and as hard as they tried to make it big superman awesome fights it all falls flat when the emotional core is stripped.

    It was a mixed bag, but I have to admit I like it as a foundation for Superman going forward. The character himself is SO much more interesting now than he has been for decades.

    I also appreciate that Ben Affleck doesn’t seem to be taking the role out of hubris.

  • Mike R.

    They should should for an Arkham Asylum style batman. He’s experienced and around his age. Also, make his gadgets and batmobile somewhat realistic while still being a bit beyond (think iron man logic). His fight scenes should definitely shoot for the style seen in the game as well.

    • axalon

      He definitely has the physical presence to match Arkham’s Batman too.

    • axalon

      He definitely has the physical presence to match Arkham’s Batman too.

    • lee

      YES. That would be perfect. I want non-growling, detective Batman (and if he just happens to sound like Kevin Conroy I certainly wouldn’t complain).

      • Guest

        I really hope the detective element is fully realized. World’s Greatest Detective right? It’s the thing that makes Batman unique among comic heroes. His super power essentially.

  • Greyson

    The negativity was outrageous. I think cautious optimism is more fitting. He’s come a long way. But then again, Runner, Runner.

    • The Flobbit

      Then again, Gigli. End of story.

    • enzofloc

      Affleck is good at playing someone who is a little unsure of himself, which Batman isn’t.

  • Farrell

    “I believe in Zack’s vision.”

    LOL

    • enzofloc

      They both need glasses.

  • Chachi

    Anyone who is still hating the idea of Ben Affleck as Batman clearly has not seen The Town. He showed huge range in a character that is inherently quiet and brooding. He is such a different actor than the guy who was in Reindeer Games and Daredevil. Unfair to through that back at him. He’ll do great.

  • Chachi

    Anyone who is still hating the idea of Ben Affleck as Batman clearly has not seen The Town. He showed huge range in a character that is inherently quiet and brooding. He is such a different actor than the guy who was in Reindeer Games and Daredevil. Unfair to through that back at him. He’ll do great.

    • Guest

      I’m sure he’ll do fine, but I wish he was directing it too. No offense to Zach because he has a great visual style but his ability to translate that into a coherent movie is suspect. After Watchmen I thought, this guy’s okay. But my interest in watching his stuff dipped significantly after SuckerPunch and the Superman movie. My biggest complaint was the pacing. I wish the Superman film could be recut, the emotional scenes less truncated and a heavier hand taken on some of the action that felt redundant. The action in Superman was the most uninspired to me and felt recycled, as opposed to a fight like Spiderman v Doc Ock on the train in Spiderman 2. That fight had specificity. Of course, this is all humbly my opinion, I’m not there doing it. But I hope Zach is the kind of guy who can look back at his own work and grow from it.

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “I’m sure he’ll do fine, but I wish he was directing it too”

        Just cause you like a director’s previous movies doesn’t mean that he is appropriate for a movie. Ben Affleck isn’t a visual film maker nor is he good in action film making. Affleck is good on scripts not really a great director and a subpar actor.

        You keep blaming Synder for things that are writer David Goyer’s fault. It’s amazing to me how ignorant people are that they can’t tell the difference between a writer and a director.

      • Guest

        Ben Affleck is a far superior director to Zach. What you call ignorance, I will call subjectivity. I don’t have wonderful things to say about Goyer either, but ultimately, having not read the script – and let’s be honest, neither did you, the film we see is the film shaped by the director. Recognizing issues on the page that need work prior to shooting them is a good idea, wouldn’t you agree? Accountability rests on both sides.

        Personally I liked Batman Begins far better than Superman. Same writer, different director. Also a dramatic director, in Nolan. Not an action director, mind you. A dramatic director. And as butt hurt as my comments about Zach made you, the action in Superman was beyond bland. People were yawning in my theater. Yawning! In my layman opinion, and that’s all it is, where Zach really needs work is in post. When he sits with the editor, and goes through his coverage, he needs to let the right scenes breathe, but I’m not sure he has the ability to recognize what those scenes are. Do you?

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “Ben Affleck is a far superior director to Zach”

        No, he’s not.

        ” I don’t have wonderful things to say about Goyer either, but
        ultimately, having not read the script – and let’s be honest, neither
        did you, the film we see is the film shaped by the director”

        That’s just stupidity. So no writer ever has any blame on a movie ever cause there is a director?? David Goyer has already proven himself to be a bad writer over and over again. The only reason he is still working is because his connection with Christopher Nolan but Nolan only had him work on the Story for his Batman sequels and had to rewrite his Batman Begins script.

        When left to his own devices, Goyer produces garbage like Blade 3 (which he wrote and directed) and The Unborn.

        Like any director, they need a quality script from which to work on and Goyer is never going to provide that.

        “Recognizing issues on the page that need work prior to shooting them is a good idea, wouldn’t you agree?”

        That’s if he was a producer on this which Synder was not. The script was approved by Nolan and any changes that were to be made had to go through Nolan. Synder did not have full control.

        So blame Nolan for giving the go ahead on Goyer’s script.

        “Personally I liked Batman Begins far better than Superman. Same writer, different director.”

        Check the credits again. Nolan CO-WROTE the script with Goyer. And that script was still weak with a uneven pace and structure. Man Of Steel is superior for the fact that Synder is a better director than Nolan. Nolan directed Batman Begins like an amateur with horrendous camera work like all that shaky cam nonsense.

        What people liked about Batman Begins was the tone and the fact that the last Batman movie was god awful. Then, when the second one came out it topped the first one in every way. Why? The script was better. Who didn’t write the actual screenplay? David Goyer. Fancy that.

        “Also a dramatic director, in Nolan. Not an action director, mind you. A dramatic director”

        Without a good script you have little to work with. Again, blame Goyer.

        “Superman was beyond bland. People were yawning in my theater. Yawning!”

        Or so you claim.

        “When he sits with the editor, and goes through his coverage, he needs to
        let the right scenes breathe, but I’m not sure he has the ability to
        recognize what those scenes are. Do you?”

        You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

      • Guest

        You’re under the assumption I’m a Goyer fan, which I’m not. But you do realize Warner Brothers hired Goyer to write the Superman script, correct? Off a story created by both Goyer and Nolan. You not only speculate about the process, you’re a selective reader, and totally grazed over the part where I said accountability rests on both sides. No, Zach didn’t have full control. No one ever has full control when a studio is involved. It’s a collaborative process by design. But the reason directors get the lion’s share of the praise is because they have the lion’s share of the responsibility. Now I don’t expect you to understand any of that. Because the fact that you think Zach is a better director than Affleck *and Nolan* not only illustrates you have bad taste, it proves you’re a fucking idiot too. Feel free to jump in with more tripe all you want. But just because you’re loud, it doesn’t mean you’re right.

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “You’re under the assumption I’m a Goyer fan, which I’m not”

        No. I just know that you don’t know what you are talking about. You keep blaming Synder for things that are Goyer’s fault.

        “But you do realize Warner Brothers hired Goyer to write the Superman script, correct? Off a story created by both Goyer and Nolan.”

        Actually, it was Nolan that went to Warner Brothers to help sell Goyer’s pitch. Warner Brothers went with Goyer on Nolan’s word. That comes from Nolan’s own mouth.

        “No, Zach didn’t have full control. No one ever has full control when a studio is involved”

        Bullshit. Nolan had 100% control after The Dark Knight on all projects he worked on. He had final word on Man Of Steel’s script, not Synder. Synder himself confirmed it when he said that when he wanted to change the ending of the movie he had to get approval from Nolan. So why didn’t Nolan have someone re-write Goyer’s script as it was obviously sub-part to his own standards? He re-wrote Goyer’s script for Batman Begins and only had Goyer contribute to the story of the two Batman sequels but not the script.

        “But the reason directors get the lion’s share of the praise is because they have the lion’s share of the responsibility”

        Unless they are also producers and the studio doesn’t meddle. But if they director doesn’t have full control it makes no sense to completely blame the director especially when the biggest problems of Man Of Steel come from the script not Synder’s direction.

        “Because the fact that you think Zach is a better director than Affleck *and Nolan* not only illustrates you have bad taste, it proves you’re a fucking idiot too”

        No, it proves that you just repeat what everybody says and can’t tell the difference between writing and directing. In case you didn’t notice, Affleck worked on the script for 2 out of the 3 films he directed. Affleck is good with scripts but his directing is nothing special. Nolan has little to no cinematic eye. His shots are boring, his compositions are completely uninspired and he can’t make sense out of any action to save his life. What Nolan is good at however are scripts. That’s where his strength is. The Dark Knight had a great script but sub-par directing. Synder’s talents are not in writing. His talents are in directing. He needs a great script to work with.

        “But just because you’re loud, it doesn’t mean you’re right.”

        I don’t know what you mean by “loud” since this is all just text. Try to find the right places to use cliches otherwise it’s obvious you are just throwing anything out there in hopes that something sticks.

    • Guest

      The Town was terribly cliche and overrated, the only interesting thing were the performance of Jeremy Renner and some other costars. Affleck was embarrassingly bad in that role. If he were a great director he would not cast himself in the lead!

  • eternalozzie

    he’s playing Batman, a comic book character … I don’t know why there is all the geekrage … he’ll do fine.

    • Mixed Race rich kid NYC

      He’s playing an American icon not just a comic book character

      • eternalozzie

        tell yourself what you want … to the other 99.9% of the non-geek world its just a comic book character

      • https://twitter.com/waypastparadise autopilot

        Not really because non-geeks love the character too. Especially those that grew up with the animated series.

      • https://twitter.com/waypastparadise autopilot

        Not really because non-geeks love the character too. Especially those that grew up with the animated series.

    • Mixed Race rich kid NYC

      He’s playing an American icon not just a comic book character

    • enzofloc

      Batman is bigger than Jesus.

      • eternalozzie

        unless we are talking Michael Keaton .. he was a pretty small batman ;)

      • enzofloc

        But Batman is real. Keaton didn’t have to resort to magic and didn’t depend on God for assistance. Anyway, Jesus was better before the 12 sidekicks came along.

  • eternalozzie

    he’s playing Batman, a comic book character … I don’t know why there is all the geekrage … he’ll do fine.

  • Angel of Death

    Affleck, I guess you’re the only one who actually believes in Zack “sucker punch” Snyder’s vision of anything.

    • SnapIntoASlimJim

      I think you are a guy who just repeats what others are saying without actually thinking critically. All you hold against Synder is one film despite the fact that 300 was good and Watchmen was great.

      Blame David Goyer who is a shitty writer. Try to understand the difference between a writer and a director and know who to place the blame on rather than just jumping on the bandwagon.

  • Byron Ramirez Jr

    happy days

  • Byron Ramirez Jr

    happy days

  • lordjim

    i don´t understand that everybody is discussing ben affleck while zack snyder is actually the biggest problem, i just hope he outgrows his childish cgi obsession and actually tries to direct a movie instead of a video game this time.

    • derek

      Wont happen. And even if he tried. he has no experience doing so.

    • SnapIntoASlimJim

      “i don´t understand that everybody is discussing ben affleck while zack snyder is actually the biggest problem”

      Sorry, but you are ignorant. The problem is David Goyer not Zack Synder. David Goyer is a shitty writer. Zack Synder though is a great director and one of the few in Hollywood that actually pays attention to composition and where to put the camera. Film is a visual medium and Zack Synder gets that. He just needs a quality script to work with and David Goyer isn’t going to provide that.

      And yes, Ben Affleck is a big problem. He is not a good actor.

      “i just hope he outgrows his childish cgi obsession and actually tries to direct a movie instead of a video game this time.”

      What a stupid comment. Do you happen to know how to make a movie about superheros like Superman who battles out of this world characters like Zod without any CGI?

      Having CGI in a movie doesn’t mean there isn’t any directing. The director is still directing the CGI.

      How about thinking of actual criticisms to make rather than just repeating the mindless garbage that bigoted critics throw around who don’t actually know what they are talking about (“If a movie has CGI then it is not a movie”)?

      • lordjim

        somehoew my response got lost in the depths of the internet, so the short version:
        1.yes i had forgotten about david goyer he is even worse than zack snyder you are right about that.
        2.ben affleck while certainly not being my favourite actor, was very convincing in argo, so he might have learned a few things about acting he didn´t bring to his earlier roles.
        3.you clearly don´t understand the difference between using cgi and having a cgi obsession.(rewatch terminator 2 for intelligent use and attac of the clones or talking about znyder – sucker punch and man of steel for obsession)

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “2.ben affleck while certainly not being my favourite actor, was very convincing in argo”

        No, he wasn’t. Ben Affleck whitewashed the role so that he can play him. This was disgusting. The real life person is Antonio Mendez a Latino. Instead of giving that opportunity to a Latino for a shot at the spotlight in a Hollywood movie he took it for himself and continued the sick tradition in Hollywood of holding back nonwhite actors from big opportunities.

        “3.you clearly don´t understand the difference between using cgi and having a cgi obsession”

        You’re the one that is confused since you are throwing around “CGI obsession” without even knowing what you are talking about.

        “(rewatch terminator 2 for intelligent use and attac of the clones”

        Terminator 2 didn’t have superpowered characters from other planets that can fly and shoot lasers our of their eyes.

        And… did you actually use Attack Of The Clones as an example of good film making????

      • lordjim

        you don´t get it do you, i used attack of the clones as an example of bad film making, and obsessive use of cgi, and you clearly don´t understand what i am talking about, or what a good combination of cgi and practical effects means.by the way superman 2 was a better movie than man of steal.and when i said ben affleck was convincing i mean he was convincing as an actor according to the situations the script put him through, i don´t know the charakter his role was based on, and it doesn´t diminish my argument.

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “you don´t get it do you, i used attack of the clones as an example of bad film making”

        Then learn how to write properly because that read as if you were putting Attack of the Clones in the same league as Terminator 2.

        “or what a good combination of cgi and practical effects means”

        And you don’t understand that there is only up to a certain point when practical effects can only reach up to. There is no complete practical effects that can do multiple flying around the skyscrapers of a city. There is no complete practical effect that can do lasers coming out of people’s eyes. There is no complete practical effect that can do flying people being thrown around buildings, and flying into space, etc… You need CGI for those things.

        This is how I can tell you don’t know what you are talking about because you hear the cliche “Practical effects are better” but don’t actually understand that practical effects can only do so much. You start to see CGI and think that it means there is no direction when nothing could be further from the truth.

        Attack of the Clones didn’t suck because it had a lot of CGI. It sucked because the script and the direction were horrible. It didn’t matter if they somehow used nothing but practical effects and no CGI the movie would’ve still been horrible because the script and direction were horrible.

        “i don´t know the charakter his role was based on, and it doesn´t diminish my argument.”

        Oh. So then Ben Affleck can play Martin Luther King Jr.??

  • lordjim

    i don´t understand that everybody is discussing ben affleck while zack snyder is actually the biggest problem, i just hope he outgrows his childish cgi obsession and actually tries to direct a movie instead of a video game this time.

  • derek

    After all the casting hatred. I think Affleck will surprise everyone. Just like he has been the past few years. But I think Zack Snyder directing will not do him any favors. If you have noticed in Affleck’s last few films that he has directed; he plays a real human character. Zack Snyder is incapable of directing films that exude emotion. He tries but he fails. I think Snyder would be better as the visionary director and let someone else actually direct the characters and script.

    • SnapIntoASlimJim

      “After all the casting hatred. I think Affleck will surprise everyone.”

      No, he will not.

      “Just like he has been the past few years”

      That’s as a director not an actor. Know the difference.

      “But I think Zack Snyder directing will not do him any favors”

      You have no idea what you are talking about. Synder is a great director. He is one of the few that pays attention to visual composition in this era where directors just shake cameras around for 2 hours and get called a film maker. What Synder needs is a great writer and he is not going to get that in David Goyer. David Goyer is the problem not Synder.

      • derek

        Reading this comment and others you have made about this topic really makes me think you are a turd. You sound like some whiny 16 year old. Zack Snyder has yet to make a decent movie. Only little girls like you would fall head over heels for Snyder.

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “You sound like some whiny 16 year old.”

        This coming from a person that calls me a “turd”.

        “Zack Snyder has yet to make a decent movie”

        Dawn Of The Dead (remake), 300 and Watchmen.

        “Only little girls like you would fall head over heels for Snyder.”

        That sentence doesn’t even make any sense.

      • lordjim

        the dawn of the dead remake was a completely dumbed down version of the original choosing quantity of menaningless characters over depth, it was an abomination, a forgettable action movie, surely entertaining but nowhere near the classic the original is.300 is much more cheesy than it needed to be, not nearly as gritty as the source.watchmen was certainly his best movie, but everything that´s good about it comes from the graphic novel, even the compositions.at least you didn´t mention sucker punch and man of steal to which the new movie is a sequel, and he clearly doesn´t even understand what´s bad about david goyer, he is just a hack making movies that are clearly aimed at teenagers who grew up with michael bay and are very easily satisfied.

      • SnapIntoASlimJim

        “the dawn of the dead remake was a completely dumbed down version of the original choosing quantity of menaningless characters over depth, it was an abomination”

        An abomination it was not. I didn’t personally prefer it over Romeo’s original but it was a decent movie.

        “300 is much more cheesy than it needed to be, not nearly as gritty as the source”

        If you want to blame the cheese on someone blame it Frank Millar’s writing since the thing is almost all of his words. The original comic book was very bloody and even gory but not gritty. It was purposely stylized and so was the movie.

        “at least you didn´t mention sucker punch and man of steal to which the new movie is a sequel”

        Sucker Punch and Man of Steel both suffer from the same problem: the script.

        Sucker Punch however was directed brilliantly. What the movie proved though is that Synder is not good with scripts. That’s all.

        Man of Steel had David Goyer writing the script who is one of the worst writers working in the mainstream. I knew he was going to be a problem since the first day it was announced that he was going to be writing the script on the movie. If you want better DC movies

        “and he clearly doesn´t even understand what´s bad about david goyer”

        He wasn’t responsible for Goyer writing Man of Steel. Christopher Nolan was. In fact, Goyer was picked by Warner Brothers before Synder was. That’s all thanks to Nolan. Blame Nolan for not hiring another writer to re-write Goyer’s crap not Synder since Synder did not have full control.

  • derek

    After all the casting hatred. I think Affleck will surprise everyone. Just like he has been the past few years. But I think Zack Snyder directing will not do him any favors. If you have noticed in Affleck’s last few films that he has directed; he plays a real human character. Zack Snyder is incapable of directing films that exude emotion. He tries but he fails. I think Snyder would be better as the visionary director and let someone else actually direct the characters and script.

  • MIXTER
    • lordjim

      that would be great and won´t happen in this generic days.

  • Strong Enough

    Ben is a great storyteller so if he trusts zack’s vision it must be good.

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  • IMPYEMU

    All this news coverage has succeeded in making this movie seem less and less appealing each time it’s mentioned.

    • Mike Bond

      I think you can at least partially thank the endless barrage of troll comments from people’s heads exploding becuase “ZOMG not teh Affleck he suxxxxxx lololololz!” for that.

  • NotePad

    First of all, if they want a “tired and weary” Bruce Wayne, why go with Affleck? He looks good for his age, waaaaaay to good for his age. Bale seems older then Affleck. (but it should be Karl Urban).

    Ben Affleck needs to learn to speak in a lower register.

    • sense11

      I’m hoping they give him a gray haired buzz cut & a 3oclock shadow beard, kind of like Clooney in Gravity

    • Mike Bond

      Actually, Karl Urban would have been a great choice too! Hell, I think he just needs to be in more stuff, period.

  • IMPYEMU

    But will it be dark and gritty and super serious?

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