THE COLLISION: Episode 14 – The Future of Superhero Movies and THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

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After a three-week break stemming from scheduling conflicts and technical difficulties, The Collision has returned.  We would have liked to have discussed The Dark Knight Rises closer to its release date, but we feel like we have to discuss even thought we’re a little late to the game.  In this episode, we’ll not only talk about the conclusion to Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy, but also examine how Nolan has changed superhero movies and where the genre could be headed.  While at the beginning of the show I say that the episode will be divided into non-spoiler and spoiler sections, we quickly went into discussing details, so if you haven’t seen The Dark Knight Rises yet, you’re going to want to pass on this episode until you do (assuming you mind spoilers).  As always, we’ll finish up with our recommendations.

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Adam’s Recommendation: Mystery Men

Dave’s Recommendation: Flash Gordon

Matt’s Recommendation: Punisher: War Zone

[Also, Dave mentions the short Punisher film Thomas Jane did earlier this year. Click here to check it out.]

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  • Roland Deschain

    Wow. I usually enjoy the podcast but I had to stop listening when Goldberg was attempting to give the plot synopsis for TDKR. Seriously? He couldn’t make one statement without some sarcastic comment.

  • Mitchell Lane

    what a bunch of gibbering children; half your comments are assinine and the others are gibberish. I actually don’t mind whether or not any of you liked this film, each to their own opinions, but to try and couch such childish negative glee as actually film crtique is quite beyomnd the pale. Please go back to pulling the wings off flies, it suits you better than any attempts at cinematic analysis that you are, woefully, attempting

  • Dustin Philipson

    I really am not a rabid fan boy. I promise you. But the commentary here sounds so immature/amateur for TDKR. You go on and on about The Nolan effect i.e. the gritty realism of his films and how it troubles you that future comic book movies may assimilate at the cost of their comic book-ness. But then you go on to rip apart TDKR for how “fake” and unbelievable it is. The film had flaws, yes, but it seems that it could have done no right.

    Its just obvious that this biased panel gets off on being able to poke Nolan in the eye (and maybe some well deserving rabid fan boys). This doesn’t ring as true criticism or even affectionate fanboy ragging. It just sounds like a few dudes who run a moderately successful, slick fanboy site who are trying to desperately associate themselves and/or vicariously assimilate the much greater success of a far more superior product/enterprise via tearing it apart and pulling away the curtain on the Wizard Nolan.

  • Dustin Philipson

    I really am not a rabid fan boy. I promise you. But the commentary here sounds so immature/amateur for TDKR. You go on and on about The Nolan effect i.e. the gritty realism of his films and how it troubles you that future comic book movies may assimilate at the cost of their comic book-ness. But then you go on to rip apart TDKR for how \"fake\" and unbelievable it is. The film had flaws, yes, but it seems that it could have done no right.

    Its just obvious that this biased panel gets off on being able to poke Nolan in the eye (and maybe some well deserving rabid fan boys). This doesn\’t ring as true criticism or even affectionate fanboy ragging. It just sounds like a few dudes who run a moderately successful, slick fanboy site who are trying to desperately associate themselves and/or vicariously assimilate the much greater success of a far more superior product/enterprise via tearing it apart and pulling away the curtain on the Wizard Nolan.

  • Androkles

    Wow, I really, literally, had to stop listening to it because of how annoying it was. First of all, if you’re going to attempt a semi-professional film analysis, you really need to set the sarcasm aside. However, if you’re only attempt is to make fun of a movie, then make sure than what you’re saying is actually funny. What Goldberg was doing was just over-simplifying scenes to make them sound ridiculous, which is not only irritating but worthless. It doesn’t add absolutely anything to a serious debate about the movie. Besides, the problem with that approach is that you can do it with every single movie, even the ones that are considered masterpieces. Go ahead and try it with The Dark Knight, you can start with how the hell does The Joker infiltrates a mob meeting, how he then is supposedly dead in a bag and nobody bothers to put a bullet in his head before sending him in, how he plants a bomb on the stomach of one of his lackeys and makes sure he is sent to the same place well he will be detained, etc., etc., etc.

    It’s really the worst approach you could have with this type of movie. It really sounds like a bunch of 15 years old trying that were given some web space and a microphone. Based on previous podcasts, I was actually expecting much much more from this discussion.

    • diles3

      precisely

  • Markeetundra

    Sam Jones was the actor in Ted. Check again

  • diles3

    I found it amusing that you found Bane’s plot so ‘unrealistic.’ Well, hysterical actually. Not that it isn’t unrealistic, but that you found that to be a problem with the film. Ok, so Mr. Freeze wants Gotham to feel the icy grip of death because of what happened to his love, the Riddler creates elaborate puzzles to torment and perplex, and Bane holds Gotham hostage so that the city will essentially tear itself apart before it is annihilated. One of these things is like the others…

    What Matt is criticizing seems to me to be a recurring presence in comic book films and comic books in general. In the animated TV series, it’s not just local criminals that Batman faces. He also faces Ra’s al Ghul and Bane, international terrorists. In the comic books, Batman faces a wide range of local and international villains. Also in the Animated TV Series, Poison Ivy’s powers are greatly reduced to, what, poisonous lipstick and a tremendous knowledge of botany? Actually sounds very Nolanesque!

    Despite the so-called hatred for the source material, each of Nolan’s films draw heavily from 2-4 notable comics each. With TDKR, it is Knightfall, Legacy, No Man’s Land, and The Dark Knight Returns. Hatred sounds polemical and forced.

  • MAC

    I wasn’t even gona comment on it, but then I though WHY wouldn’t I?
    I need to comment on this …!!

    I’m out of words… Cuz I’m so angry at this utter bullshit of PodCast that I’m actually laughing!
    Really i mean who wants to listen to this garbage!
    Everyone has Absolute right to express his opinion & thats fine …. but hating & ripping it so disgustingly is just unbelievable!!

    I just can’t imagine COLLIDER can’t even find ONE fucking man to sit on this podcast who actually like TDKR…. A movie that sits at 87% on RT after 270 reviews & with 9/10 IMDB score (which will drop a bit in future!) …. Ya if TDKR is that bad; I don’t think that scores would’ve been there!
    Whatever ur “issues” are with TDKR … It’s just crazy to say what ur saying & then thinking whole world would’ve been crazy to love this film!

    This isn’t an Opinon podcast but a NOLAN-Hating + TDKR-Hating & Comic geeks crying out podcast that they are just ignorant of fact what Nolan has done for Batman!
    Grow up please!! ComicBook films don’t need to be a xerox copy it’s Comics & Graphic novels!
    Thousands to hundred-thousand people read comics … Millions see films!
    U really want a campy, cartoony & cheesy BATMAN, & especially after Nolan franchise!
    Maybe “geeks” like yours will like it… ONLY!
    Not mainstream audiences!!

    & are u really fucking with me on tone!
    UR really out of ur mind if u think Batman needs to be “funny” & shit!
    He’s a DARK DARK DARK character!
    If others are copying Nolan formula it’s theirs stupidity, why ur fucking blaming Nolan!

    & Goldberg, really man… U said this about ur self in podcast well truly… U like talking about bad cuz it’s fun & it’s HORRIBLE that ur like that!! It SUCKS!!
    It doesn’t matter that u like TDKR or hate but Bashing it like this… UR fucking crazy!
    I loved Avengers but I can point out 500 things wrong in that film!

    PLEASE; please stop talking about stuff u hate!!
    Just SHUT UP!
    & make sure someone is there to fucking balance the Opinon!
    I don’t ever want to hear Marvel-fanboys ranting on Nolan films ever!!

  • Casey

    I honestly usually agree with Matt Goldberg, or at least see where he is coming from. This is the one time where I’m listening to him or reading his review, and I just stop. His review was weird because the review painted a decent picture of the movie, but then he gave it a C. It sounded like it would be a B or B+ and then he just goes with a lower score then I thought he would give it. I still read his reviews and find merit in his other stuff, but in this case, I just can’t do it. I’m not gonna sit here and say”Matt is a dick because he always gives really bad reviews for really good movies”, but I can not agree with him on this one. My biggest source of anger with all of this is that he doesn’t seem to get some of the stuff that happened, also he gave Spiderman the same score. In summary, I like him most of the time, but this time around I can’t see merit in it.

  • Robroy

    I agree with other comments. Malicious podcast. The saying rings true , if a person can’t do, they Podcast. One of the speakers has a horrible speech impediment where he sounds like he is slobering. If any of these people are over 22 years old they are pathetic talking about cartoons meant for little kids . First time I have ever listened to this podcast and they all seam to be extremely frustrated and failed journalists or writers. I stopped listening to it. These boys need to kiss a girl for once in their lives .

  • Griz

    I really don’t get why goldberg keeps saying he’s sick and tired of dark and gritty and wishes things would get back to “comic booky” . . . . .that’s every movie Marvel has made, Something DC even tried to ape with Jonah Hex & Green Lantern. DC went dark and gritty with Bats, it worked . . .they’re gonna try it with Supes next summer and see where it goes. But EVERY SINGLE MARVEL movie has embraced comic booky, silly and lighter elements . . .which is why talking racoons are possible now when it wouldn’t have worked when it was just Iron man a few years ago.

    Fantastic Four was light and comic booky . . . .So was incredible Hulk . . . Heck, the only straight up dark and gritty movie Marvel has done is Punisher War Zone, which goldberg seems to love for some schizophrenic reason. . . .so if anything, doing Dark and Gritty is rare in comic books and extremely hard to pull off (ex: Amazing Spidey). I think its because Goldberg assumes they’re all going to be a certain way now has him irked .. .. .but saying they should make the new Batman more like Paul Dini & Bruce Timm’s vision is the height if schizophrenia. That was about as dark and gritty as it gets, especially when so many villains would break down at the end of the episode crying their eyes out because they know they will be mentally ill for the rest of their lives.

    If that’s the version of Batman you grew up with, Nolan was perfect . . . which i’m guessing are all the people who went to go see TDKR, as are the ones who stopped listening to this podcast less than halfway through.

    And in terms of what’s wrong with Matt Goldberg: I think that like like Armond White, all the comments trashing his analysis have finally taken their toll, and rather than adjust his sarcasm for the listening pleasure of his audience that might disagree with his opinions, instead decided to turn it up to 11.

  • potterboy

    FROSTY! save this podcast!

  • Raoul Duke

    Wow a bunch of jaded fan boys bashing Nolan. I am very confused by them not liking TDKR because of unrealistic plot points yet want more “fantasy like” comic book movies. The stupidity of the three of them on this podcast was astounding. If they had intelligent valid points I would have been interested in hearing them but they just sound like three old ladies complaining.

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  • JohnnyBoy

    You guys are ign’nt as fuck. They set up pretty well that a major theme of the movie is Bruce Wayne finding his will to survive. That’s what gets him out of the Lazarus Pit (i.e. resurrection pit). Not accepting death, that’s what Alfred was trying to deter him from.

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