Crispin Glover on ‘We Have Always Lived in the Castle’, ‘American Gods’, and Working with David Lynch

     May 18, 2019

From director Stacie Passon and adapted from the book of the same name by Shirley Jackson, the indie drama We Have Always Lived in the Castle tells the story of two sisters, Merricat (Taissa Farmiga) and Constance (Alexandra Daddario), who have isolated themselves after a family tragedy, in their large manor with their Uncle Julian (Crispin Glover). When Cousin Charles (Sebastian Stan) unexpectedly arrives, he disrupts their idyllic existence and threatens their family legacy.

During this 1-on-1 phone interview with Collider, actor Crispin Glover talked about what drew him to this story, why he found Uncle Julian to be such an interesting character, the archetype of this unusual man, finding the levels to play him in, and what it was like to work in a wheelchair. He also talked about working with director Stacie Passon again, on an episode of the second season of American Gods, what he’s enjoyed about the journey on the series, his experience working with adapted material, and why he loves collaborating with director David Lynch.

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Collider:  When this script came your way with an offer, and then you read it, what was your reaction to the material and this odd family?

CRISPIN GLOVER:  I don’t always read a script, right from the beginning. I’ll just look at stuff, when I’m first looking at it, and it was just apparent, just from reading the pages, that this was literary-based and good material. It was obviously interesting, immediately.

What were the aspects of it that you really felt most drawn to?

GLOVER:  Aside from the evident literary excellence that it derived from, the character archetype that I was offered was a different character archetype then I usually am offered. Not always, but I often play antagonistic characters. And when I say character archetype, I’m referring to Joseph Campbell’s book, Hero With A Thousand Faces, where he coined the term hero’s journey structure. There are archetypal characters that happen in stories, throughout the world and throughout time. The archetype of this character is unusually done, but it would fit into the mentor character, and that was something that I’d not played, previously. It sounds funny because, at the same time that I would say it fits into the mentor character archetype, the character specifically has some dementia, so the mentor having dementia is a funny thing. The whole novel tends toward operating in that fashion, where it’s mysterious, in many ways.

Uncle Julian is someone who occasionally has outbursts. How did you decide when you wanted to go bigger or smaller with him?

GLOVER:  There were different versions of the screenplay. The screenplay did a change a bit, and the character changed, which even happened while we were shooting. There were a lot of discussions, and I’m pleased with the results. I’m very happy with how it came out. There were certain drafts of the script that had more outbursts and more of that disruptive aspect, which started to lead it away from the mentor archetype and started to turn it into an antagonist archetype, which is not what the initial draft that I read had. And then, we went back into the original novel, where the character really fits into that mentor character. So, it actually went even more to what the original novel was than even the earlier draft was, that I had first read. It was a good trajectory, how it came about.

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You really feel for all three of these characters, emotionally, even though you’re not really sure what to make of any of them, initially.

GLOVER:  Yeah. It’s a very interesting complexity. Even though there are archetypes that fit into what you can call the hero’s journey structure, [the book’s author] Shirley Jackson played with them in very interesting and unusual ways. It has true psychological depth and beauty because of that.

How did working in the wheelchair inform your performance? When you take away that level of the physicality, does it inform other aspects of what you’re doing?

GLOVER:  Perhaps. It’s the second time that I’ve played a character in a wheelchair. I did a film that Robert De Niro and John Cusack are in, called The Bag Man, where I played a character that had more of an antagonistic aspect to it. It was a very different kind of character, but it was a character in a wheelchair, although there is a play on that, in the film. With this film, the wheelchair was apparent, so I did not really think about that too much. I just wanted to be familiar enough with the chair to be able to operate it properly.

Some of the most exciting moments to watch in this are the ones when you’re all in a scene together, talking about different things, at the same time. What were those scenes like to shoot?

GLOVER:  There’s that one important scene, that’s more towards the end, where we’re all four of us are in the kitchen, and (director) Stacie [Passon] covered that well. We got a lot of different aspects, and she’ll ask for different interpretations, which I think is a good thing to do because you get different levels of performance. She’s good with that. And then, I think they edited it in a nice fashion, as well.

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Your director on this film, Stacie Passon, also directed an episode of Season 2 of American Gods (Episode 204, called “The Greatest Story Ever Told”). How did that experience compare?

GLOVER:  For me, both of the projects intertwined quite a bit. I shot the first episode of the first season of American Gods, and then I went away to Ireland to shoot We Have Always Lived In the Castle, and then I came back and shot the next episode of American Gods. And then, on the second season, Stacie was a director of one of the episodes. I’ve seen the list of authors that Neil Gaiman considers influences, or that are authors that he admires, and one of them is Shirley Jackson, which I can really see. Of course, both American Gods and We Have Always Lived In the Castle are beautiful books. They’re different from each other, but at the same time, there are similarities, just in the fact that they’re mysterious, you don’t necessarily know where they’re going, and they get into some deep psychology. There’s really interesting writing, in both of them. I do like the literary source material that can have genuine depth to it.

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