Ray Fisher to Play Cyborg in BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN; Will Appear in Future DC Comics Films

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Though it’s not exactly odd that director Zack Snyder’s follow-up to Man of Steel hasn’t yet settled on an official title (it’s currently being referred to as Batman vs. Superman), I’m starting to wonder if they already know what the title will be and are keeping it under wraps.  Something along the lines of Justice League, perhaps?  The reason being that this cast is very much starting to resemble something more akin to a Justice League movie rather than a Superman-focused sequel, especially with today’s latest casting news.  In addition to Henry Cavill’s Superman, the film already has Ben Affleck set to play Batman and Gal Gadot onboard as Wonder Woman, and now Broadway actor Ray Fisher has been tapped to play Cyborg, yet another member of the Justice League.  Hit the jump for more.

cyborg-batman-superman-ray-fisherPer Variety, Snyder and Warner Bros. have settled on Ray Fisher to fill the role of Cyborg in the untitled Man of Steel follow-up, after testing a number of actors over the past couple of weeks.  Though an unknown in the film world, Fisher played Muhammad Ali in the Broadway play Fetch Clay, Make Man.  Cyborg will apparently not have a major role in this film, but Warner Bros. plans on using the character more significantly in subsequent films that take place in this so-called Justice League universe.  Indeed, Snyder started laying the groundwork for Cyborg earlier, dropping in Easter Egg references to the character in Man of Steel.

As I said before, this is starting to more closely resemble a Justice League movie rather than a straight-up Man of Steel sequel, and even if this isn’t a full-blown Avengers-style Justice League pic, it will almost certainly serve as a tee-up to whatever big plans Warner Bros. has for its own DC Comics universe.

For those unfamiliar with the Cyborg character, his origin in the DC Comics involves his scientist parents using him as a test subject for various intelligence treatments.  When an experiment in dimensional travel goes horribly wrong, a creature travels through an open portal and mutilates young Victor Stone, after which much of his body is covered in metal plates—experimental prosthetics developed by his parents.

It’s unclear how Cyborg will fit into the plot of Batman vs. Superman, but we know that Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor will serve as the film’s primary villain while Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman all figure into the story in some fashion.  David S. Goyer penned the initial script, but Affleck’s Oscar-winning Argo scribe Chris Terrio performed the most recent rewrite.  Amy Adams, Diane Lane, and Laurence Fishburne reprise their roles from Man of Steel, while other new additions to the cast include Jeremy Irons and Holly Hunter.

The untitled Batman/Superman film opens in theaters on May 6, 2016.

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  • CoolGuy

    sad cameo, of course , for a Justice League film in 2025

    • MainFragger

      Aren’t YOU optimistic….I think it’ll be out in 2054…

  • Sameer Shahnewaz

    All existing Avengers from the previous movie + quicksilver and scarlet witch + baron von strucker + ultron + vision all mashed up in a 2 hour movie . And fans cheer like crazy
    hears batman-superman-wonder woman-cyborg will be in the screen together , and they loses their mind
    typical fanboys for you

    • Norrtron

      The difference is that Marvel has been setting these characters and the world up for a long time.

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        Exactly. Marvel laid the groundwork with individual films for all the main Avengers, while DC is pretty much sticking a bunch of characters the fan base will recognize, though others will probably not.

        It will probably be a successful dil, though I get the feeling that they would do even better if they would introduce characters before throwing them all into a feature.

      • Mattman

        Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch + Baron Von Strucker + Ultron + Vision are all new characters in the new Avengers movie. That’s 5 new characters plus the existing 6 Avengers and Nick Fury. Regardless of whether or not the world has already been set up, you have to admit that’s pretty packed.

      • JBug

        The 5 that you mentioned are villains (either main bad guys or henchmen). Ultron is the main bad guy, with the rest there to support the plot. This is structurally sound and consistent with blockbuster best practices. Villains are allowed to be introduced in sequels without any prior development. It’s the heroes that need to be fleshed out because they are the main character.

    • Comicfan101

      Its not that… Its just the fact that Marvel went about it in a way that was better than what DC is doing now. There have been nothing tying together the DC Universe in previous movies like Man of Steel and the “Dark Knight Trilogy” or even the Green Lantern movie with Ryan Reynolds. Now, they have this movie that was supposed to be a Man of Steel sequel, but they’re shoving uneeded characters into it. Now, i’m not saying its going to be a bad movie. For all i know its going to be great. But, the way they’re going about this seems all wrong.

      • gar216

        For all you know, this movie could be a Superman movie with Batman and everyone else could be shown from a journalist point of view. Simple news clips of other heroes popping up in the background after Superman showed himself to the world wouldn’t be too much at all. If done right it could eliminate the need for origin stories going forward (which is the biggest gripe everyone seems to have about these movies). Point is, see it before you bitch.

      • scififan

        Thank you! Common sense finally strikes.

        Having Clark Kent working his journalism job will most likely lead to a few small scenes that do a basic character introduction for Wonder Woman and Cyborg. Warner Bros still has years to do side projects, and most likely they will release a string of individual character films after Superman 2 and Justice League. WB is thinking differently because they have to. Batman is a hit, but Superman has been on shaky ground for years, and Wonder Woman has been a tough sell since the beginning. Why not introduce them together first, and then expand the universe to assure you have maximum interest from the public? It actually makes a lot more sense than a bunch of character introduction films that have a high risk of flopping without that strength that comes from seeing these characters together.

      • Littertray

        The Clark Kent journalism angle would work well or even have Lois doing the “hero” hunting would be a good angle. It would give her something to actually do in the movie rather than being the damsel in distress. Or the other way DC could be angling the films is the reverse of Marvel and it would work well. Imagine all the solo films that are to follow all end at the characters point of entrance in this film. So instead of waiting for people to meet up, you get to see it from the point of view of what were the individuals doing before they met up and how did they see each other as well before then.

    • Christian Leroux

      You seem to have forgotten the 3 Iron Man, 2 Thor, 2 Captain America, and Hulk movies, plus a TV series, plus an Avengers movie. Justice League has 1 Superman film… So yeah, I think you are exaggerating things quite a bit by ignoring some pretty important stuff, like the fact that Marvel spent years setting up their characters and villains. People are freaking out because DC’s trying to do all of this in one film, and it’s being directed by a guy with a really shaky track record.

      • Mekt_Ranzz

        That guy “with a shaky track record” is Zack Snyder, the awesome director of Watchmen, which was a great and complex superhero film with a rather large ensemble cast. The main characters were Doctor Manhattan, The Comedian, Nite Owl, Ozymandias, Rorschach, and Silk Spectre. That’s six compared to four so far for Justice League (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and now Cyborg). And I’m not even listing the various members of the Minutemen and their adversaries that were in the film.

      • His Filmography

        He also did “Legends of the Guardians” and the lackluster “Man of Steel”. Oh, and “Sucker Punch” so yeah…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

      • Christian Leroux

        Shaky implies ups and downs… never said the guy made nothing but shitty movies. You don’t need to give me the plot summary to Watchmen – it’s one of my top favorite films: I went to two cinema screenings including the midnight release and own the extended cut. I probably know the story and characters better than you.

        But see, here’s the thing: 1. That film is pretty damn long – about twice the length that BvS will be. 2. The biggest complaint that people had about the film was the rapid pacing while led to misunderstanding. If you read the graphic novel, you understood everything, but MANY didn’t.

        But let me pull the rug from under your feet: you only listed one film. Okay, let’s add 300 and Dawn of the Dead – both great movies. Now let me give you the flipside of the coin: he wrote, directed, and produced Suckerpunch. He also gave us Legend of the Guardians. I wrote that he was “shaky” because 50% of his films are critically acclaimed, and 50% of his films are critically bashed. I loved Man of Steel, but most people don’t (56% rating).

        So reference Watchmen all you’d like, but the reality is that Hollywood is demanding a 2 hour movie (not 3.5, which is the length of the complete cut of Watchmen). He’s got less time to introduce as many characters; he’s gotta set up everyone’s origin stories in that timeframe, unite them, and then set up the action… You see where the problems are? Marvel had the benefit of establishing all of the characters through half a dozen films. Man of Steel is almost 2 and a half hours long – 1 origin story – and people are completely split on it…. can you see the rationale of the people freaking out?

      • Batt Damon

        Watchmen was a flop. The reception amongst fans had been incredibly mixed with some saying that it sticks too closely with the source material and others believing that it missed the point of the comics entirely. 300 was hardly great. It took a lot of the techniques that Sin City pioneered and put them into a brainless action movie. Dawn of the Dead had a gripping opening sequence but the rest of the movie pales in comparison to the original. Snyder is just not a good storyteller.

      • Batt Damon

        Watchmen was a flop. The reception amongst fans had been incredibly mixed with some saying that it sticks too closely with the source material and others believing that it missed the point of the comics entirely. 300 was hardly great. It took a lot of the techniques that Sin City pioneered and put them into a brainless action movie. Dawn of the Dead had a gripping opening sequence but the rest of the movie pales in comparison to the original. Snyder is just not a good storyteller.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        I actually agree with most of what you are saying. I actually like Snyder’s films, never saw Sucker Punch or The Owl flick, but thought his other efforts were top of their class. In regards to how long the BVS will be I think that people don’t know how much screen time these characters are getting as the entire film could be really focused on BVS w Lex Luther waiting the wings just teeing up him, WW and now Cyborg up for future installments – maybe just trying to show that these characters exist in the same universe. I think hiring Chris Terrio to rewrite Goyer’s script will also help strengthen the film. In the next few months we will have a better idea on how to really start judging the film as photos of costumes, and leaks of plot details come out. But yes I agree that placing all of your eggs in one basket w Zack Snyder in charge is a little scary as he’s had a shaky record in the past. If he makes it as good as Watchmen and w a simliar look as he hired his DP Larry Fong again then I think this film will be a step up from MOS.
        All I want from DC is for them to come up w a smart way to differentiate themselves from Marvel’s formula for their cinematic universe. I personally enjoyed MOS as I saw it was a Batman Begins for Superman but where we didn’t actually get to the real Superman until we saw the final shot of him as Clark Kent in the Daily Planet at the end. I think the film did a great job of setting up their universe by teasing little things that weren’t so in your face and took a second viewing to catch (I personally missed the STAR labs reference the 1st time in theaters).
        But yes it is a little scary as it’s been nothing but knee jerking reactions when it comes to the casting for the most part. So I get why people are freaking out.

      • MIXTER

        Iron man 2 and 3, Thor 2, 2 Hulk movies, a terrible SHIELD tv show. 2 FF4 films. Spiderman 3, ASM-1… nd not everyone loved the Avengers, Thor-1, Cap-1.

        Hawkeye was lame and silly. WTF is quicksilver? The Wolverine films, Deadpool, X-men2.

        Marvel is far from Marvelous! Thats what I call a shaky track record!

        ps, I’m not a DC fanboy neither, I’m just surprised by the hate between the 2, especially from the Marvel camp who seem to be so high n mighty they can’t see they got shit on their shoes too.

      • MIXTER

        Iron man 2 and 3, Thor 2, 2 Hulk movies, a terrible SHIELD tv show. 2 FF4 films. Spiderman 3, ASM-1… nd not everyone loved the Avengers, Thor-1, Cap-1.

        Hawkeye was lame and silly. WTF is quicksilver? The Wolverine films, Deadpool, X-men2.

        Marvel is far from Marvelous! Thats what I call a shaky track record!

        ps, I’m not a DC fanboy neither, I’m just surprised by the hate between the 2, especially from the Marvel camp who seem to be so high n mighty they can’t see they got shit on their shoes too.

      • MIXTER

        Iron man 2 and 3, Thor 2, 2 Hulk movies, a terrible SHIELD tv show. 2 FF4 films. Spiderman 3, ASM-1… nd not everyone loved the Avengers, Thor-1, Cap-1.

        Hawkeye was lame and silly. WTF is quicksilver? The Wolverine films, Deadpool, X-men2.

        Marvel is far from Marvelous! Thats what I call a shaky track record!

        ps, I’m not a DC fanboy neither, I’m just surprised by the hate between the 2, especially from the Marvel camp who seem to be so high n mighty they can’t see they got shit on their shoes too.

      • the king of comedy

        All of the Spiderman, Fantastic Four and X-Men movies don`t take place in the same universe of the other Marvel movies, Avengers was an amazing fast paced movie, it may have its detractors, every movie does including The Dark Knight wich is the best DC movie, but overall it was a hit for audiences, fans and critics, I agree that Thor Captain America and Iron Man 2 weren`t that great but they were still fun to watch, played by competent actors and introduced their characters faitfully to movie audience, I`m not a marvel fan either, I enjoy more the DC comics, love some of the DC animated films, I believe that the greatest superhero movies so far have been The Dark Knight and Batman Begins (TDKR was truly dissapointing in comparison) followed by The Avengers and Watchmen, but truth be told Marvel did an amazing job at taking their universe to the big screen and DC seems kind of lost and as some have said it Zack Snyder isn`t that great of a director

    • Kota Lancaster

      Everything seems alright to me right now…

    • Ancalagon

      Yeah, you have a point, I suppose. For me it’s more about Synder versus Whedon, and my compared distaste for most of the output of the former and appetite for most of the output of the latter.

      • Scullibundo

        Snyder’s a much more talented director than Whedon. The problem is that Snyder can’t write worth a shit and apparently can’t filter bullshit writing from good writing, where as Whedon is a good fit for his own material.

      • Batt Damon

        Snyder isn’t a very good storytelling, Whedon on the other hand is remarkable. I’d take films with interesting characters and great dialogue over movies that look pretty with weak scripts and paper thin characters

      • Batt Damon

        Snyder isn’t a very good storytelling, Whedon on the other hand is remarkable. I’d take films with interesting characters and great dialogue over movies that look pretty with weak scripts and paper thin characters

      • Ancalagon

        Eh. I’m not sure he’s even a better director. He’s flashier, and I suppose is more visually distinct, which counts for something, but part of the credit for that has to go to his cinematographer(s) (for example, Larry Fong, who IMDb tells me was Snyder’s DP for Sucker Punch, 300, and Watchmen), as it would for Whedon as well. While I’ll admit that one thing largely lacking in Whedon’s films is visual flair, I found the look of 300 and Sucker Punch to be stylized to the extent of being goofy and distracting from the narrative. Whedon’s serviceable and perhaps slightly dull camerawork at least does not detract from the story.

        I certainly agree with you about the writing. Perhaps they could team up? What would a Whedon-written, Snyder-directed film be like? Splendid, or just divergent and mismatched?

        On a somewhat related note, it kind of surprised me though that David Goyer—who wrote or helped write Batman Begins (which had its clunky lines, but at its best had a sort of pseudo-mythic pop poetry to it)—wrote such a bland, un-involving script as that for Man of Steel.

        Tl;dr:
        I don’t think it’s quite that simple.

      • Django9000

        Its called green lighting a draft treatment of a script, then assigning a director who doesnt understand the value & importance of script development in the 1st place, & specializes in translating literal words & images to screen (with little sense of nuance, cohesion or context, i.e. Watchmen.) Also – M o S. was rushed overall due to pending lawsuits from the Shuster & Simon estates. If they didnt pump something out quickly, rights would fall out of Warner Bros’hands. BatSupe is similarly rushed, but at least Affleck came to his senses & hired the Argo team for serious re-writes.

    • achilles

      Just Batman ;)

    • lordjim

      they didn´t even manage to give superman and zod a personality (compare man of steel to superman 2 in that matter) so how could they with even more characters?

  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    It’s hard to judge anything when we haven’t seen a script yet. Hoping DC takes a completely different route than Marvel in their connecting universe. It seems like they are based on the casting w Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and now Cyborg. Hopefully Terrio will deliver a great polish to the script.

  • 80sRobot

    Oh just call this Justice League already, Zach.

    • Akio Morte

      Man of Steel vs The Dark Knight : The Rise of Justice League.

    • tRYSIS3

      Have you read the script ? no ? wait until you see some fucking footage.

      • Django9000

        Have you seen Snyders filmography? Then GuardianGahoole home, before I SuckerPunch some sense into you.

  • HeSaidSheSaidReviewSite

    Does anyone genuinely care about this movie? That’s an honest question, because I don’t, and it’s not because I don’t like DC.

    1. Marvel has been doing this the right way, planning ahead and what not. DC has not.

    2. I could care less about any new Batman or Superman. I don’t need to see a character rebooted for the umpteenth time (especially so soon after the last versions). I’m not really interested in The Amazing Spiderman either before you go all “Marvel Fanboy!”

    • 80sRobot

      To be honest, I’m only interested in seeing this for Batman.

    • YodaRocks

      I grew up on DC comics. That’s because those were available where I grew up and Marvel comics weren’t, so I have an obvious DC bias. However, I am really saddened by how things are turning up for DC these days and I squarely blame it on the management at DC comics.
      Also, Marvel’s success can also be based upon on only one person. Kevin Feige.
      To answer your question, I am interested in this movie and really want it to do well but I am skeptical about it.

      • lordjim

        you can´t blame dc, they don´t make these movies.you could blame them for selling the rights, but most people did enjoy the dark knight trilogy (personally i prefer burton´s expressionism – i might be to old to take a billionaire who wears a batcostume on a “grounded” level), so you couldn´t say that their managment sucks.marvel did start to make more mature comics though (haven´t seen that in in their movies yet), and since those days dc was trying to copy them, by creating an own universe mostly to lesser success, so this problem didn´t start these days.

      • YodaRocks

        Case in point: The writers of Batwoman wanted her to get into a Lesbian Wedding. The management vetoed the idea. The writers quit.
        The management at DC does not have a vision about anything.

    • opinionated asshole

      Stop pretending that you don’t care, everybody cares about it, oterwise they wouldn’t bother commenting. Just look how many comments an article on this movie gets, even if its a minor article. Everybody and their dog has heard about it by now, and they will all see it.

      Look at the transformers movies, everybody knows they’re gonna be bad and yet everyone still goes to the theatre, this can go either way, but just by having the words Batman and Superman on the same poster(if they will) and it would already be a financial success. Fanboys can complain all they want on the internet but movies like Transformers, Star Trek into darkness, Star Wars prequels etc just show how small of a percentage they represent.

    • Batt Damon

      I’m interested to see if someone will finally get Batman right. Other than that there’s not much to get excited about.

  • aceshigh

    Sheesh.

    DC just looks panicky, desperate and overly-reactive to Marvel’s continued dominance. They have NO strategy or vision…they’re just reacting to Marvel and trying desperately to mirror what they’re doing, and it probably won’t work.

    I’d love to see DC build something akin to Marvel because they’ve got so many great, historical comic book characters, but I don’t see them pulling it off if they continue in such a kneejerk, reactionary fashion.

    • Old Soldier

      Yea, but we’ll all go see this just to see how bad it will be.
      SUCKERS!! (Me included)

    • Alan

      Well Synder did say he is casting based off the script, so I don’t know why you call it a knee-jerk and reactionary (on what?).

      WE don’t know the script, for all we know, it could be Victor Stone and not Cyborg, just like how in the Amazing Spiderman 2 there was Felicia Hardy, but not Black Cat.

  • brNdon

    Superman vs. Batman vs Wonder Woman vs. Cyborg vs. Mark Zuckerberg…

  • t

    WOW, this film is going to be an absolute clusterfuck. It’s unbelievable how inept WB and DC are at making a good superhero film. Fuck them, what complete morons. I hope all of their fucking heads roll soon.

  • mattinacan

    wow what a mess this will be. they haven’t had the chance to properly flesh these characters out.

    • Strong Enough

      its superman and batman. what do you need fleshed out that everyone doesn’t already know?

      • bidi

        THAAAAANK you. it was basically said that Cyborg is just a small role, probably cameo+ type deal. and everyone already knows Batman’s origin so why even bother. Warners/DC is not Marvel so they don’t need to copy them. i bet the real origin in this movie goes to Wonder Woman, while we only see Victor Stone here as a STAR Labs scientist helping these supers out during the climax with him turning into Cyborg at the very end

      • JBug

        The fact that they are using pivotal characters as cameos instead of properly building them is part of the problem. The one major mistake Marvel made with Avengers was butchering Hawkeye by not giving him any development. This is worse than that. I’ll still see this within a week of opening, but this has stink all over it.

      • mattinacan

        Well this isn’t the same batman as the Nolan films, we know nothing about the Affleck batman. Man of steel was super weak all around. They are going introduce WW and Cyborg through small cameos. So yeah don’t know much and 2 1/2 hours isn’t enough time. Sounds like a horrible idea all around.

      • Strong Enough

        Its always going to be the same batman. he never changes. parents dead blah blah blah

  • Old Soldier

    What’s next the Wonder Twins? Captain Boomerang? How about Apache Chief? C’mon, I was hoping for a plain ‘ol Man of Steel sequel.

  • Loso_Rocks

    Jason Momoa is Aquaman. Wait for it.

    • The Flobbit

      I’d buy that for a dollar!

    • The Flobbit

      I’d buy that for a dollar!

    • eternalozzie

      Am I the only one who thinks DC’s weird/lame superheroes like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman just don’t come across well on screen because they are just awkward in general?

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        They’re definitely a harder sell. Directors like Snyder and writers like Goyer try to ground them in reality without understanding that what made the silly but successful Donner Superman work was that it just went full tilt with Superman’s awkwardness and never looked back. They’re so scared that the audience might rebel against the entirety of who the characters are that they hedge their bets with sappy or poorly written scenes to give them crutches to explain away parts of the characters they find implausible or unrealistic. Audiences were just fine with a Shakespearean speaking Norse god, but still they’re afraid to adapt all of who Superman is to the screen.

      • cimmerian

        You’re certainly in the minority.

      • cimmerian

        You’re certainly in the minority.

    • Aquartertoseven

      Random.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        I don’t know, I think it’s perfectly in line with this ridiculously (and potentially miscast), random assortment of actors Snyder is calling his cast.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Jason Momoa has sworn off being typecast, so no, it won’t happen.

  • Phil

    So that football scene they shot, do you think he is team gotham or team metropolis?

    Frankly I’m getting more and more excited, no one knows the script yet, and how they are going to use Victor, who for all we know, could be just Victor Stone, and not Cyborg just yet.

    I like they casted an unknown actor

    • Phoenix

      Thank you for mentioning the football scene!

      As soon as I saw the title of this article, I thought “Oh, I guess Victor Stone was part of that football scene they shot a few months ago.”

      With each casting announcement, this movie seems to be following the footsteps of “Justice League: War,” minus a few characters. I thought that movie was a great way to show that heroes exist but they’ve never come together. Plus that end tag scene was a perfect way to lead in to the introduction of Aquaman.

      I had really hoped that DC would follow the non-linear timeline in order to set up their heroes. Have “Man of Steel” occur in the year 2015 or later and have the other origin stories take place years before that. This would’ve been a great way to include Stephen Amell from “Arrow” as an “older” version of Green Arrow and have the TV show continue to tell his journey to become a superhero. The same could’ve been applied to the Flash show in the works. This way they wouldn’t have to start from scratch trying to establish these heroes. Zack Snyder has said that Superman revealing himself to the world is what brings the other heroes out of hiding. And this would’ve been a great way to establish a world filled with heroes.

      And the one thing that DC has Marvel doesn’t is the Teen Titans/Young Justice teams. This would’ve been a great way to showcase the sidekicks who probably wouldn’t get any screen time in Justice League movies.

  • Daniel Brian Foster

    YOU DONT HAVE YOUR SHIT TOGETHER DC. DA FAQ

    • Aquartertoseven

      Yes, they should look at the fans’ frequently asked questions to see what they should avoid and go for.

  • Jamesy

    Of course DC/WB are using this as a lead in to JL, everyone saying oh its being rushed, copying Marvel bla bla. The truth is Marvel had a blueprint and has been very successful at bringing it to life. From a business stand point, this makes sense, and its probably the only chance they will have to create a DC universe on film right now to match Marvel. They didn’t have the chance to before, any time they had done Batman before Nolan, superhero/comic book movies weren’t the same as we have now. They probably never even thought of it until Marvel came along, they couldn’t exactly extend the universe from The Dark Knight trilogy because Nolan kept it contained in a real world environment, Green Lantern wasn’t the success they had hoped for, who’s to say that if was a success they wouldn’t have acted then. Superman was never brought to life in a way before MOS that he could have led in to the JL universe. If DC/WB left it any later, it would be a mistake. Yes this may seem over crowded at the moment, but let’s be honest…no one has seen the script, heard much of a synopsis so we don’t know what to expect. I think the casting of Affleck and people wondering is Snyders Batman gonna be better than Nolan has completely overshadowed the fact that this is a sequel to a Superman movie. Yes it contains more characters, but the fact that they brought in Chris Terrio, and that the movies been pushed back makes me think perhaps they are actually trying to do some good here. Snyder/Goyer may have learned from MOS, I think they will show Clark/Superman in this movie as the Superman everyone knows. MOS was the prequel in a way, he was faced with a decision that wasn’t easy, now Bat vs Supes can deal with how he will cope with taking a life, leading him to be the Superman we are used to seeing. Maybe Batman will influence that, and WW, Cyborg, everyone else will just be nothing more than extended cameos, little hints of what’s to come in the future. Just wait and see, it could be f***ing awful, it could be entertaining and nothing more than a popcorn movie or it could be pretty damn great. But wait till we see the movie and have the facts till we decided if it’s gonna be “F***ING EPIC MAANNNN” OR “THIS IS GONNA SUCK MAANNN”.

    • t

      No, it has suck written all over it. Nicely written rebuttal and I appreciate the sentiment but this film is going to suck man. Sorry.

      • Jamesy

        “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like, your opinion, man” It could suck, but I guess I’m just wanting it to succeed because I want to see a good movie, containing some of the coolest characters imo. I basically just want an excuse to geek out. Would love to see if your opinion changes once the movie comes out.

  • Strong Enough

    not even marvel has the guts to bring out Black Panther. I’m looking forward to DC breaking new ground with Wonder WOman and Green lantern’s John Stewart

  • YodaRocks

    I still rue the fact that Marvel was about to buy out DC and they didn’t.

    • ʝoe ßloggs

      So glad that didn’t happen. Protects the diversity and richness of the comics ecosystem.

    • ʝoe ßloggs

      So glad that didn’t happen. Protects the diversity and richness of the comics ecosystem.

  • ʝoe ßloggs

    Fantastic casting of Ray Fisher as Vic Stone (Cyborg)! I don’t care what these critics below say. I’m so looking forward to this movie!

  • Keep On Cramming

    Finally there’s a flick that’s an even bigger product of a marketing team than The Avengers.

  • STAR-LORD #ROUGE SQUAD

    Nobody has seen anything about this movie but the casting. So why is everybody acting like they saw this already? None of you saw shit yet,how dose it begin and end? You don’t know!!
    All we know is Batman and Superman will be the main characters. Wonder Women is a small role and Cyborg will be introduced. I think this could have chance to edge out CAP 3 it won’t be easy but it has to be really good,but in no way will it bomb like you idiot fanboys think.

  • STAR-LORD #ROUGE SQUAD

    Nobody has seen anything about this movie but the casting. So why is everybody acting like they saw this already? None of you saw shit yet,how dose it begin and end? You don’t know!!
    All we know is Batman and Superman will be the main characters. Wonder Women is a small role and Cyborg will be introduced. I think this could have chance to edge out CAP 3 it won’t be easy but it has to be really good,but in no way will it bomb like you idiot fanboys think.

  • kins

    But there’s the answer of where was Batman while the events of MoS.

    I mean ok… he was in Gotham and all, but why didn’t we get some hint about him in MoS like, …
    “another hero?? Wasn’t it enough already with that Bat guy from Gotham”

    And if an already powered Green Lantern existed in the same time of the
    events of MoS, his help would have been more than welcome, imagine all
    the falling out and destruction being contained by his power ring,
    saving people from being crushed to their deaths

    Thinking
    back, the scale of the events of MoS would have been a great way to
    establish the Justice league with all heroes showing to lend a hand
    where needed.

    • BKBorn1

      Maybe the Justice League concept wasnt officially decided upon until they got the box office numbers.

  • kins

    But there’s the answer of where was Batman while the events of MoS.

    I mean ok… he was in Gotham and all, but why didn’t we get some hint about him in MoS like, …
    “another hero?? Wasn’t it enough already with that Bat guy from Gotham”

    And if an already powered Green Lantern existed in the same time of the
    events of MoS, his help would have been more than welcome, imagine all
    the falling out and destruction being contained by his power ring,
    saving people from being crushed to their deaths

    Thinking
    back, the scale of the events of MoS would have been a great way to
    establish the Justice league with all heroes showing to lend a hand
    where needed.

  • MIXTER

    Why is everyone calling this Justice League? Isn’t that a TEAM that gets set up like the Avengers, not just a film with multiple heroes in it? Justice League will be film-3, I’d bet all your lives on it!

    This sequel will be intoducing Superman to the other characters, weighing them up, etc.. maybe fighting them. Lex is the main threat maybe. But film 3, JL, we will likely see a huge threat from outer space, hence the team up. Logical really.

  • MIXTER

    Why is everyone calling this Justice League? Isn’t that a TEAM that gets set up like the Avengers, not just a film with multiple heroes in it? Justice League will be film-3, I’d bet all your lives on it!

    This sequel will be intoducing Superman to the other characters, weighing them up, etc.. maybe fighting them. Lex is the main threat maybe. But film 3, JL, we will likely see a huge threat from outer space, hence the team up. Logical really.

  • bidi

    BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!
    but also, Warners should back off that May 6 release date. why did they do that anyway? they’ve had end of July as their go to for years. don’t fuck it up now to create some competition that doesn’t need to exist

  • Atlasshruggedmyass

    Marvel doesn’t have the guts to bring out a Black Panther movie because they’re too afraid of spending that much money on a black superhero movie let’s just be honest about it and stop being PC.

    • JBug

      I don’t think that is the reason, although it is strange they haven’t started on a Black Panther movie yet. I think it’s probably because they don’t think audiences are ready for a Wakandan based story, which is the only right way to do this. I’ve been known to be naive, though. I really hope they get around to it eventually. I can totally see Marvel making a Tarzan style movie in the form of BP.

  • JBug

    I think it’s interesting that almost every DC article has Marvel vs. DC debates in the comment section, while Marvel articles tend to just focus on MCU speculation/excitement. I think that is an accurate portrayal of the fan base temperature. Money making aside, I think DC should take a break for a decade and wait for Marvel to finish doing their thing. If the way things are going continue, this era will be known for how badly Marvel outproduced DC.

  • JBug

    I think it’s interesting that almost every DC article has Marvel vs. DC debates in the comment section, while Marvel articles tend to just focus on MCU speculation/excitement. I think that is an accurate portrayal of the fan base temperature. Money making aside, I think DC should take a break for a decade and wait for Marvel to finish doing their thing. If the way things are going continue, this era will be known for how badly Marvel outproduced DC.

  • Django9000

    So – besides Kevin Costner, what A List actors is DC deploying? Both Anthony Mackie & Jeremy Renner were in Hurt Locker, bearing sweeping, recent awards that surely gave them plenty of choices, yet jumped at opportunities for even supporting roles in Marvel flicks. Russel Crowe publicly distanced himself from further Man of Steel involvement, while promoting Noah. Meanwhile, every actor associated w/ Marvel has had their creative freedom & between tent-pole film choices expand as a result. Chris Evans just directed a feature, for chrissakes – & even Scarjos ¨Under the Skin¨ is getting rave reviews. Hemsworths ¨Rush¨ apparently did same.

    So begs the question: What has Man of Steel done for either Henry Cavill, or Zack Snyder’s larger film industry options and/or output, as a result? Worth pondering…

    • Django9000

      Might I add yet again, that making the astounding Amy Adams seem wooden on screen must take some kind of directorial kyptonite – like an achievement only Bizarro Zack Snyder could possibly brag about! hahaha

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        Also, Zack Snyder also turned Gerard Butler into leading man status because of his work in 300. He was either starring in films like the awful Dracula 2000 (who even remembers that crap) or was in ensamble films where he was a minor character. If it wasn’t for Snyder Butler would not be a well known name in Hollywood that he is today.

    • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

      Cavill is currently filming Man from U.N.C.L. w Guy Ritchie at the helm in between MOS and BVS. And Rusell Crowe has been raving about doing a prequel about Jor El in numerous interviews as he loved the character. Also DC just hired Ben Affleck hot off of his Oscar win. Amy Adams w or without MOS has been in fantastic films so I will not go on about her. My point is that both companies have great talent that they are working with.

  • doc

    Superman Vs. Batman = Justice League. I think it’s obvious at this point.

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  • The Flobbit

    Cap 2 was the greatest thing Marvel has put out yet. On the other hand, Iron Man 2 was boring, Iron Man 3 is so divisive people squirm around it, Incredible Hulk was a disaster, and Thor and Thor 2 are anomalies no one knows what to do with. So I agree and disagree with you.

  • JBug

    Well said, but I also loved Thor, IM3 and Cap 1. You’re right in that Marvel is good, but not perfect. I think we just get carried away with Marvel’s ability to achieve consistency in style/tone. It helps in managing expectations.

  • YodaRocks

    I think my very first sentence explained that. There are emotions attached to the source material. Reading it shaped a lot of my worldview. So, its a complicated relationship now.

  • Aquartertoseven

    Cap 2 is unbelievably overrated, can’t believe how everyone is completely ignoring its flaws and shortcomings. It had far more of those than Iron Man 3 had.

  • JBug

    They were both great. I think Cap 2 is a little overrated, while IM3 is severely underrated by the fans. When a fun action movie has a lot going for it, it’s very easy to overlook flaws/shortcomings as opposed to a thriller/drama. Movies that capture your intellect need to be more careful with flaws, while movies that go for the heart can mess around to the extent that you’re brain doesn’t kick in. It all depends on how much fun you have. It looks like you might have gone in to Cap 2 with hopes a little to high.

  • The Flobbit

    Me and Guy Pearce beg to differ.

  • JBug

    It sucked it many ways, but you still have to see it for the scale. Great action and interesting take on the character. Just make sure you’re wearing a jacket because the movie is cold.

  • Aquartertoseven

    Hearing that it was fantastic from a bunch of critics, could you blame me? It could’ve been if they didn’t play it so safe.

  • 80sRobot

    Because Batman, dude.

  • The Flobbit

    Gotcha. I agree.

  • Aquartertoseven

    Flaws include:

    No major protagonist deaths. We’re 9 films into the MCU and they’re all so safe. Hell, even X-Men 3 had the balls to kill people. Deaths add to the tension and general stakes.

    Embarrassingly simplistic climax.

    Falcon was the weakest link with a poor introduction into the story.

    Barely any Winter Soldier and he was barely explored.

    No ambiguity in terms of the real villain. It was so bare bones; Hydra in SHIELD, must fight Hydra. It could’ve been so much deeper than that.

    Pierce not being the Red Skull was a dud. Fury could’ve even been Skull.

    Black Widow could’ve been a deeper character, in the midst trying to get helicarrier specs for the Russians. They said that she was a former KGB agent and she then did absolutely nothing that was ambiguous.

  • The Flobbit

    Every film has flaws.

    I just don’t care about this one’s. And in my opinion, you’re about half wrong…

  • Aquartertoseven

    “I just don’t care about this one’s.”

    There you go. Selective negativity. Loving the film that has many flaws and hating the one that has just a few.

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