While in Los Angeles to promote âSnow Angels,â I got to speak with the talented filmmaker for about twenty minutes in a one on one setting. Since all of you know the way I interview and what I like to talk aboutâ¦can you guess what I asked David? If you said âPineapple Express,â give yourself a prize.
In case you didnât know, David has finally been asked to join the Hollywood directors club and for his first feature, David directed a Judd Apatow produced stoner comedy that arrives this August. Along with âTropic Thunder,â the two films make August an amazing month for movies.
Of course, once we finished talking about âPineapple,â we talked about many other things including all the other projects heâs developing. Would you believe heâs trying to make a kidsâ TV show called âDonât Mind If I Do.â He said âitâs like âPerfect Strangersâ meets âFull Houseâ.â He also gave me info on his remake of âSusperiaâ and he talked about a John Grisham adaptation heâs working on about death row.
Other highlights of the interview was David talking about how he used to work as a test screening recruiter, telling me that he loves big popcorn movies but isnât that into art house films, and explaining why âSnow Angelsâ took so long to come out after premiering at Sundance 2007.
After talking with David, he came across as extremely happy with the way things are going and he seemed really happy about all the opportunities that are opening up for him.
And since we didnât cover that much on âSnow Angelsâ due to my enthusiasm for all his other projects, I just want to make sure you know the movie opens this Friday in Los Angeles and next week around the country. Hereâs the synopsis:
Framed by the sound of two gunshots, âSnow Angelsâ is the haunting story of two broken families and two romantic relationships, one just beginning and one nearing its end. Michael Angarano plays Arthur, a teenager experiencing both his parentsâ separation and his first romance with Lila (Olivia Thirlby), while Sam Rockwellâs Glenn is a hard-drinking Evangelical trying to get back into the life of his estranged wife Annie, played by Kate Beckinsale with surprising vulnerability.
âSnow Angelsâ stars Kate Beckinsale, Sam Rockwell, Michael Angarano, Jeannetta Arnette, Griffin Dunne, Nicky Katt, Tom Noonan, Connor Paolo, Amy Sedaris and Olivia Thirlby.
As usual, you can either read the transcript of my conversation with David or download the audio as an MP3 by clicking here. Finally, here is a link to the
Collider: I interviewed Sethâs (Rogen) partner, Evan. We talked all about it. Iâm calling it this summerâs âSuperBadâ.
David Gordon Green: Okay.
Collider: Because it comes out same time, the whole thing.
David Gordon Green: What about this summerâs âTango and Cashâ?
Collider: If you want to callâ¦we can callâ¦so the interview starts, David calls this movieâ¦
DGG: This summerâs âZappedâ. This summerâs âZapped Againâ.
Collider: Iâm going to say itâs better than âZapped Againâ. Okay, so a little back story. Letâs rewind a little bit. When did you first want to become a filmmaker? When did that all come about for you?
DGG: All the time.
Collider: Since like the moment you remember?
DGG: I love movies.
Collider: Okay. A lot of peopleâ¦the thing about your name is that itâs always associated with very serious, very artistic, veryâ¦you have that name David Gordon Green kind of thing.
DGG: Itâs a dramatic name, isnât it?
Collider: Itâs true.
DGG: I put the middle name there so it sounds more black.
Collider: Iâm not going to comment either way on that, what I will say though is a lot of people associate you with these serious movies and with âPineapple Expressâ you are officially kicking the door open into another genre. Iâd heard that you had been trying to kick that door open for a little while and it was finally Judd Apatow who said come on in, we want you here.
DGG: Because everyone keeps saying youâre too weird and your sense of humor doesnât fit in anywhere then all of a sudden theyâre like, âno we want this. This will be great. Letâs go wild. Letâs go have some fun.â
Collider: So how did you get to meet Jud and how did for you âPineapple Expressââ¦if you donât mind me talking a little bit about this?
DGG: You know Danny McBride?
Collider: I do.
DGG: Okay. So everybody saw Foot Fist Way and everybody said, âwhere did you come from? Have you ever acted before?â And heâs like, âyeah, I was in this movie âAll the Real Girlsâ and everybodyâs like, âwhatâs that?â So then everybody saw it and then theyâre like, âoh we like this. Who made this?â So it was like it had a 2nd life sort of based on Dannyâs kind of exposing it, so it was cool.
Collider: And is that the reason why Dannyâs in âPineappleâ?
DGG: Dannyâs in âPineappleâ became I just donât know how to make movies without him because heâs just too funny to have around. I mean, if youâre going to make a comedy, how do you do it without him. But so, yes, he introduced me to them and then I went out and hung out on the âKnocked Upâ set and we all kicked around and had a great time so letâs do something together.
Collider: Okay, so letâs talk a little bit aboutâ¦I believe when you first came to L.A. you might have worked a little bit in the test screening process.
DGG: I did. I worked for an NRG.
Collider: Exactly.
DGG: How did you know that?
Collider: I do research before I come into rooms.
DGG: Oh, I didnât even remember I said that anywhere. Interesting. Yeah, I did, yeah. I was the guy that would like pass out the shit and take and you knowâ¦
Collider: Yeah, Iâm not sure maybe it wasnât public knowledge. Who cares? What matters isâ¦
DGG: Thatâs interesting because one of the guys I met working there I brought to all the test screens. He still helpedâ¦I mean not the guyâ¦he doesnât work there anymore now, now he does âGirl Gone Wildâ stuff, but it was cool to have him come and help escort me through and talk through kind of the process from behind the scenes because he works there more and knew more about life than I do.
Collider: I wanted to know how did working for the company that does the test screening processâhow did that affect you as a filmmaker? Did you learn anything from that, you know working for the company?
DGG: Yeah, I learned to get the hell out of there and make movies my way.
Collider: Okay.
DGG: You know like it was inspiring. It was like great, people want this kind of thing. I donât like these movies. I donât like the way the mediocrity is being driven into the minds of studio executives because of the tolerance of an audience. Letâs just make something crazy and if you build it they will come. Maybe not tomorrow but if you stick to your guns and put your fingerprints on shit and make it smart and surround yourself by people you trust and make cool decisions, people are going to want something fresh one of these days and I mean, I canât tell you how many garbage after garbage screenings and recuts I had to sit through and be like itâs depressing theyâre even spending money on any of these movies. So why donât I just go away and do something entirely different, designed to fail from every commercial element and aspect. So I went away and kind of got confident and figured out where it works on theâ¦the only movies I donât go see are art movies. I love to make them but I only go see popcorn movies, so then Iâm designing my own kind of confidence as filmmaker determined to find a world where that blends with what people are going to see because there were days when âDeliveranceâ was a huge box-office draw and wins Academy Awards or âThe Blues Brothersâ comes out and makes $120 million or whatever it made. You know like there were times when great movies made a ton of money and they were innovative and exciting and unpredictable. So Iâm just a very optimistic guy. I just know that nobodyâs going to give you money to go off and be weird until you establish yourself and convince them that thatâs a safe bet.
Collider: I guess my follow-up to that is Judd loves to test his movies. Heâs famous for testing after testing of all his films. You guys have tested âPineapple Expressâ a number of times. How has the testing process adjusted or altered your cut?
DGG: Well, even onâ¦we tested âSnow Angelsâ a couple of times just because I wanted to see where an audience thinks itâs too much, or âSnow Angelsâ is actually a specific kind of movie, even more so than âPineapple,â to learn where I wanted to have comedy in it but where if Nicky Katz runs into the house and he slips and falls, weâd let him fall itâs fucking funny. He needs to slip but where within the frame do you get the big laugh vs. where do you get the human imperfection and just draw that line. So finding those within watching the crowd is very valuable to me and itâs one thing for me and my editor to be sitting in a room, but if youâre showing it to an audience of 1,000 people, thereâs no arguing. Itâs either funny or itâs sad or whatever it is theyâre dictating it and the same thing goes for âPineappleâ and more comedic driven stuff like if I think something totally hilarious, but itâs an awkward silence in an audience of 450 people in Burbank⦠itâs probably going to be annoying to have that in the movie. There are a few things I thought were reallyâ¦and thereâs a few things in the movie that I donât particularly think are funny but you see fucking 17-year old stoners rolling in the aisles, you know letâs give them one.
Collider: So you mentioned to me that youâve done a few cuts and the movieâs gotten even wackier, youâve added a new soundtrack. What is theâ¦where are you at with the film now?
DGG: Itâs done.
Collider: It could be released tomorrow?
DGG: Yeah.
Collider: And how are youâ¦
DGG: The posterâs pretty cool. You know what the tag line is?
Collider: Um, maybe? Iâm not sure if I know it or not.
DGG: Put this in your pipe and smoke it.
Collider: Is that whatâs on the poster?
DGG: Yeah.
Collider: Hereâs what interesting. A lot of people talk about the MPAA and what youâre allowed to get away with and what youâre not allowed to get away with and thatâs something else I wanted to ask you about. You guys made aâ¦or you made a stoner comedy about pot, about weed, about smoking, about everything the MPAA frowns on.
DGG: Yeah, itâs rated R.
Collider: And how do you advertise this? Are you running into any stumbling blocks?
DGG: Yes, a green band trailer. Wait until the 28th when they put a trailer in theatres. It has no cuss words or violence or weed.
Collider: I mean as a filmmaker are you a little concerned or do you think the Internet can basically breakâ¦because you guys released a red van trailer
DGG: Leakedâ¦
Collider: Yeah, exactly.
DGG: Itâs fine. Sony is fucking great at marketing it will be fine.
Collider: Are you looking forward to going to Comic-Con this year?
DGG: Am I going to Comic-Con? I would love to go to that Comic-Con. That would be fun. I think we come out right before that though.
Collider: I think you come out in August or do you come out inâ¦
DGG: Itâs August 8th.
Collider: Comic-Conâs the end of July.
DGG: Then I guarantee you we will be there fucking hustling.
Collider: I was going to say you couldâ¦
DGG: Iâve never been so it would be fun. Iâd go when they had the Conâs in Dallas. That was pretty fun.
Collider: So letâs go into âSnow Angelsâ for a second. As a filmmaker, how tough is it to make a film, premieres at Sundance, and you have to wait 13 months for it to actually hit the theatres?
DGG: I didnât bother me.
Collider: A little bit or is it�
DGG: No for me honestly I was intimidated by coming out against âInto The Wildsâ and âThere Will Be Bloodsâ and âThe No Countries for Old Menâ and then getting my ass whomped. You know? The higher profile movies of the same kind of emotional gravity and reaching for the same crowd, I was just intimidated by my idols, so I wanted to make sure we steered clear of that and it was a Warner Independent concept to findâ¦actually it was about a year ago we were talking about this and I knew the forecast of â07 and they had it all laid out and we were looking at it and they saidâ¦which I think is really smartâ¦they said this is a year ago today. It was right after the Indie Spirit Awards, and they said we want to be coming out when the âWild Hogsâ of â08 are coming out. I said thatâs perfect. That makes perfect sense, because you can see âJumperâ or âStep Up 2â or âSnow Angelsâ rather than trying to make a decision within the same texture or same world.
Collider: When you are traversing the subject matter that you are choosing the traverse, how tough is it for you to get financing for your movies?
DGG: Itâs tough to make little movies. Itâs easy to make big movies.
Collider: And do you think that now that youâve kind of done this big budget Hollywood movie is your next goal to kind of do one for them, one for me?
DGG: No, just do them all for me.
Collider: Okay.
DGG: Yeah, a lot of people say that. They try toâ¦I look at guys like Michael Ernbaum. He makes movies all over the place. Theyâre crazy. Theyâre not all great, but theyâre all very bold and innovative and heâs trying something. Heâs always making them for himself. I think thatâs pretty cool. Like I say me, but my collaborators, my gang, my posse, which is growing and expanding and they go away sometimes, they come back sometimes. So itâs all very exciting, itâs just like what other bizarre opportunity and experience can we have?
Collider: So I guess as Iâm running out of timeâ¦
DGG: Weâve already reached out goals so we might as well have a fucking wild ride and having fun.
Collider: And I wanted to know what are you currently writing right now? Whatâs on your plate at home?
DGG: Iâm just about finished with âSusperiaâ.
Collider: Okay.
DGG: A remake of an 70âs Italian horror film.
Collider: Yes.
DGG: And a John Grisham adaptation of this non-fiction story of an innocent man on death row. So Iâve been researching that, hanging out in Oklahoma.
Collider: With âSusperiaââ¦are you thinking about directing that?
DGG: Um-huh.
Collider: So youâre thinking about doing a horror movie?
DGG: Think about it? Iâm getting ready to fucking hopefully go do that shit. I donât know if Iâm getting ready, but you know thatâs the idea.
Collider: Are you planning on doing this independently? Do you have studio backing?
DGG: No studio backing.
Collider: And are you already thinking like a budget in mind? Casting?
DGG: Just wild. Just artistic opera of horror. Beautiful Jonathan Demme, Polanski, Kubric horror.
Collider: Thatâs fucking awesome.
DGG: Thatâs the next stage of being weird.
Collider: Thatâs awesome.
DGG: Have you seen the original?
Collider: If I have I was very, very drunk.
DGG: Fucking goblins, synthesizer music and itâs really awesome. Itâs at a ballet school in Germany.
Collider: Are you planning onâ¦how close is it to the originalâ¦have you?
DGG: Itâs very close.
Collider: And have you just added any sort of modernâ¦.
DGG: Character development not modern shit. I donât like stuff like that. Just a little character development and some fleshing of stuff out and a little more mythology. Because heâs done that trilogy now of the 3 mothers, Argenta. So I just watch a lot of Argenta movies and some other crazyâ¦I donât know weâve watched a lot of weird shit. I read it with my sound mixerâour production sound mixerâheâs worked on all my movies.
Collider: And I guess I have another question for you about the writings process. What is your writing process like? Are you able to go all day? A lot of filmmakers talk about thereâs a golden period each day for 2 or 3 hours where youâre reallyâ¦.?
DGG: It depends because I like to write with other people a lot, so in those cases I like to just get up early and do a little bit myself and then get in a room with them and pound ideas back and forth and you go for a walk and put on some music. You know I can go all day.
Collider: And with the John Grisham is this something that youâd think about directing or is this somethingâ¦
DGG: Um-hum. Yeah, I want to direct. It would be fun. Itâs heavy, heavy shit. Death row is fucked up.
Collider: And whatâs the research been like for you looking into these kinds of things?
DGG: Very quiet.
Collider: Have you spoken to a lot of people?
DGG: Um-hum. I guess you have to do a lot of research and meet the real people and go visit, talk to wardens and things. Itâs weird. Everybodyâs quiet when you talk about death row. Even on death row nobodyâs yelling and banging on pots and pans. Everybodyâs just looking at you. Itâs eerie. Itâs its own horror movie.
Collider: And how close is it to the book?
DGG: Itâs a lot less than the book. The book is massive and epic and this is like a character study of a guy.
Collider: And so I guess what is the one liner for both of these projects that youâre writing?
DGG: With that one âan innocent man on death rowâ, whatâs the other one âSusperiaâ?
Collider: Yeah.
DGG: âCoven of witches run a ballet school in Germanyâ.
Collider: I know I have to go, I cannot believe that this is the project that youâreâ¦.so thatâs what youâre doing next for sure?
DGG: No, not for sure. Itâs a funny window of time right now with the perception of âPineappleâ whereâ¦people are just talking to me about interesting stuff so as long as itâs funny and as long as I canât believe what somebodyâs talking to me about then it becomes entertaining.
Collider: As a filmmaker are you more excited now than youâve ever been?
DGG: Yeah because the opportunities are greater now than theyâve ever been, so thatâs cool.
Collider: Yeah, I welcome these movies with open arms. Cool.
DGG: And I need to do some sort of staged sit-com with like a laugh track, you know? Iâm working on that.
Collider: So the David Gordon Green TV 3 cameraâs is coming.
DGG: Like âFull Houseâ. Itâs called âDonât Mind If I Doâ. Itâll be good. Actually it will be bad, but thatâs good. Itâs like âPerfect Strangersâ meets âFull Houseâ.
Collider: Are you being serious with me?
DGG: Yeah.
Collider: Okay.
DGG: I donât know if the network will want to do it but I might just do it some weird shit.
Collider: But hasnât the Internet kind of opened up the ability to do whatever you want?
DGG: You know HomeStar Runner?
Collider: Absolutely. Strongbad.
DGG: Those are my buddies and so weâre working on kid show ideas and stupid stuff, serious stuff that we could do. Theyâre great.
Collider: Last question for you. You produced âGreat Wall of Soundâ .
DGG: World of Sound?
Collider: I said that wrong and Iâm sorry. I actually promoted the film on the site. Are you tryingâ¦
DGG: They have a cool web site for that. Have you seen that? The Chapman Brothers did that.
Collider: I have not seen the web site but the movieâs really cool. Are you trying to do more producing?
DGG: Just for my great friends like Craig. I have a movie coming out in April that I produced called âShotgun Storiesâ. It stars Michael Shannonâ¦you know Michael Shannon? Heâs one of the great character actors of our time.
Collider: If I saw his face Iâd definitely know.
DGG: Heâs amazing. So thatâs coming out in April but these are guys I go to school with that I have a long track record with and I know arenât going to turn into weirdoes. A lot of times you get into producingâ¦Iâve flirted with people and then all of sudden they start acting weird likeâ¦go deal with yourself. Great people, man. Iâd do anything to support great movies getting made.