What youâre about to read is an interview that took place on the set of âWatchmenâ back in October of 2007. Back before an animated âTales of the Black Freighterâ had been announced. Back before any footage had been shown to the public. Back when filming had only recently begun and the costumes had just arrived on set. Basically, the interview youâre about to read is a fascinating journey back in timeâ¦back to when the success of the movie was still up in the air, and when fanboys and fangirls were still unsure if Zack Snyder was the man to direct Alan Mooreâs brilliant graphic novel.
I had just walked onto the jail set with a few other online journalists and almost immediately we were standing next to Zack Snyder asking him questions. No sitting around and waiting, just an immediate how-you-doing and we started letting the questions fly.
But the thing to know is we didnât realize at first this was going to be our interview. It started out as just Zack talking with us and all of us thinking weâd get more time later. However, we all quickly realized this was our Zack Snyder interview and then the questions got a lot deeper.
And with that, hereâs Zack.
As always, you can either read the transcript below or listen to the audio. Hereâs the link for *part 1* and *hereâs part 2*. As you read below youâll see there is a breakâ¦
Before the interview started we had been talking about Jackie Earle Haley and how he looked much different than what we all expected. His arms looked almost fake with how big they were. After some talking, my recorder went onâ¦
Zack Snyder: Weâve worked on, heâs been doing an amazing job, really amazing job. Iâm really happy with it, with what heâs doing. See this part he goes into the toilet bowl, smashes it up, water comes out, Jackie jumps up, figure runs away. He has his line about never disposed this sewage in the toilet before, or whatever he says. . . "Hello, Daniel. Live⦠blah blah blah,"
Itâs like a script utility belt.
Zack Snyder: Little bit. Oh yeah, âNever disposes sewage with a toilet beforeâ¦obvious really, thatâs that. Two nothing, your move,â you know, thatâs the veryâ¦
So thatâs an exact quote from the book. How much of the script makes it into. . .
Zack: A lot of the dialogue is, whenever we can, we go âJust say that.â Why not? Sometimes itâs hard because thereâs. . . I mean, itâs funny, because you think about how serious, when you read the graphic novels, itâs like heart attack-serious in some ways, and then you get like Danny being Big Figure saying, you know, âHurry up, Williams! I want to smell this guy cooking!â You know, itâs got a quality to it thatâs. . . âcause you donât imagine when you read it, when you see it in a movie.
For one thing what works on a comic page works differently when itâs coming out of your mouth.
Zack: Yeah.
So is this the first time having media on the set?
Zack: It is, you guys are the first, so itâs good.
How long have you been shooting for?
Zack: Monthâ¦month?
Zackâs wife and Watchmen producer Debbie Snyder says: We started September 17.
Zack: Yeah, feels like a year, butâ¦
Debbie Snyder: I think on Monday or Tuesday weâre a third of the way thru
Zack: Basically we tried toâ¦we did the Adrian assassination, where he almost gets killed by Roy Chess. We did that scene.
I was going to ask as a filmmaker, though, is it good to be able to take a break in the middle of this and be able to regroup and see where you are?
Zack: Yeah, I mean, when we did â300,â we had the same hiatus, Christmas, which was nice. Because your brain is just jello, and youâre like âI dunno where I am.â Itâs kinda fun. So what else can I tell you guys?
Where were you in your life when the book first came out, when you were first exposed to the book?
Zack: I guess I was probably in my first year of college. Really.
When you caught it as a mini series not the graphic novel?
Zack: I didnât read it as a mini series, I read it as a graphic novel, so I was aware of it but it was one of thoseâ¦I was too, sort of likeâ¦I dunno what, geeked out with The Dark Knight Returns.
"Watchmen" and "Dark Knight" came out the same year.
Zack: Yeah, exactly.
And shortly after âThe Killing Jokeâ andâ¦
Zack: Yeah.
So I guess I was going to ask youâ¦
Jackie Earle Haley walks up to us: Wow! People!
How are you doing today sir?
Jackie Earle Haley: Good. How are you sir?
Iâm doing excellent. You can talk freely about Zach, he likes it when you tell the brutal truth.
Well if I could talk freely I would, but he rules with an iron fist man.
Zack: Thatâs me, Iâm mean. Get these fucking heaters out of here!
What are you all doing here?
Zack: Theyâre journalists!
Jackie Earle Haley: Aaaahhhhh, welcome, welcome. Ah, now I see all the red lights, okay. Wow, look at all the pretty lights.
Zack: Itâs mesmerizing. What happens is you start looking at the lights and you start saying stuff youâre no supposed to.
Jackie Earle Haley: Especially this one like this, some special hypnosis journalism class that he took, I feel like Iâm in the Andromeda Strain all of a sudden.
In the script for the movie, are there any scenes that you added for the film?
Zack: Is there anything that I added?
Like any action sequences that were not in the comic, were there any important narrative scenes that you felt needed to be put in?
Zack: I donât know if there is anything that we added. I mean like for instance, Dan and Laurie fight their way through the prison a little bit, so thereâs a little bit more fighting in the prison then there is in the graphic novel. Thereâs a panel where theyâre fighting, you know? I kinda blew it out a little bit.
We were wondering if there anyone sits around and just reads âBeneath the Hood?â
Zack: Iâm not going to say that thereâs that, but there is some interesting thingsâ¦weâre doing something interesting with that. Not necessarily for the movie, but we can talk about that later but because a lot of the material thatâs in the sort of supplemental text thatâs without, was really important to me and I wantedâ¦we tried to lay it in as richly as we could throughout the whole thing just like we made a poster for âSwingers from Suburbia,â and you know, other things like that. And itâs always, thatâs stuffâs always around âcause itâs so cool.
I guess we have to ask about the DVD, what areâ¦
Zack: Yeah, I donât even know exactly whatâs going to be on the DVD.
Are those kinda Extra things?
Zack: Absolutely, weâre trying to plan for all that kinda stuff.
Are you guys thinking of trying to do anything web related? You know, webisode type stuff that would help the spread of the âWatchmenâ universe?
SNYDER: We are, in that, Iâm not sure if Iâm supposed to say exactly what that is, but thereâs going to be a fair amount ofâ¦there will hopefully be a fair amount ofâ¦
Debbie Snyder: Well I think the important thing though is because they are working on it and in development, is that they are going to give us the money to do the Black Freighter. And we can incorporate that into the DVDs.
Zack: I fought hard.
Debbie Snyder: It wasnât really a fight, but it was definitely a campaign, to do.
Did you get your Gerard?
Debbie Snyder: We donât know, itâs a very new development, we havenât figured out specifically how weâre going to do it, just agreed to the concept.
Zack: Yeah I donât know if itâs going to be anime or what the hell, how weâre going to do it.
Itâs going to be up to the production here.
Zack: It will be a thing thatâs done supplementally and I donât knowâ¦
â¦if itâs live action or post or whatever.
Zack: Yes, I donât know if itâs that, I still donât know, other then they said âYeah! That sounds good.â
So can I askâ¦.how has the studio changed with you based on the success of â300?â Has it been easier toâ¦.
Zack: You know, I donât know, I think that they were super cool with me with â300,â Iâve gotta say. They didnât like it at all as far as . . . itâs an uncomfortable film to make. When you see the dailies for â300,â itâs uncomfortable. Youâre paying for it, you go âWhat are we doing? This is ridiculous! Those guys are naked, thereâs no background. This is the worst movie ever!â And so they let me just keep going. I guess they kinda didnât have a choice, but still I felt like they just said, âYou know what, weâre going to trust you to make it cool.â And I feel like they think that it did turn out cool.
Debbie Snyder: Insisting that it be rated Râ¦I think without the success of â300.â
Zack: It wouldnât have been R, thatâs for sure. There would be no way, cause they just donât, theyâre like âAn R rated super hero movie, who would go to it?â
With â300â you had the blue screen and that sort of gave you the freedom, and with âDawn of the Deadâ you were shooting a mall setting. This, youâre creating a whole world from scratch in a lot of ways. How is that sort of different for you as a filmmaker, to be coming in with this universe that you are creating?
Zack: Itâs a challenge certainly, itâs hard, but itâs really super fun. Alex has done an amazing job with Al, the production designer, I mean, itâs awesome. We took this prison, when you take a walk down there itâs crazy. And just every bit of it, the Reactor Room and Manhattanâs Residenceâthat stuff is crazy cool, and he did such a good job. And itâs just fun to film. I donât see it as a liability, itâs almost a combination of the two ideas because Alex has done anything we can think of. I donât feel limited by it. But on the other hand, itâs not like a location shoot where you can go âOkay, here it is: film it.â
Does having it be period make it more difficult?
Zack: What makes it more difficult, just, we always have to be conscious of it. I mean now weâre deep in the 85 of it. I mean weâve pretty much embraced it. I mean there are going to be some airships and stuff like that. A little bit of airship action, you know a Gunga-Diner ship that looks like a big frickinâ elephant.
For 85 are you going to have, are we going to hear pop songs?
Zack: Oh yeah. Absolutely, I think thereâs going to be, you know, some Boy George or whatever.
Songs suggested in the book as well?
Zack: Oh yes, absolutely, songs suggested in the book, tons of that. We did a lot of research development.
With the film being rated R and having such a dark tone, are you aware this is going to open up your career to a whole new different audience, more adult-oriented audience? I mean this is a movie I would suggest my parents go see almost.
Zack: Yeah.
I mean this is a super hero film for an older generation. I mean are you almost thinking about, like, Oscar in some regards? I mean. . .
Zack: Thatâs hilarious.
No seriously. . . .
Zack: Iâ¦no. I mean I donât know who this Oscar-character is butâ¦
Are you shooting digitally or on film?
Zack: Shooting on film. Thereâs a lot of high speed, âcause itâs me still, so thereâs a little bit ofâ¦and I still think thatâs the way to go, for me anyway. I mean, we go a DI and all that, I justâ¦itâs a movie.
Debbie Snyder: We do like digital projection.
Zack: We do like digital projection. We like shooting on film, finishing digitally, and projection digitally. Thatâs what I like best. Itâs still a movie. It's not someoneâs camcorder and it got projected. That's mean, I know.
Are you looking to, is this one of the films that will end up on an IMAX screen?
Zack: Well, I know the IMAX guys want it, badly. So it will be interesting. Might be too long for IMAX, I dunno.
What is the length?
Zack: We donât even know yet, how long it is. Honestly I donât know how long it is.
Is Warner Bros. saying to you âPlease keep it underâ¦?â
Zack: Oh, yes, of course, please make it a movie thatâs showable in theaters. But honestly I donât know, but it feels long right now. The scriptâs long, and I shoot it long, and I add things, so itâsâ¦
What is the page count? Weâre talking numbers, 120-plus?
Zack: Yeah, itâs around there.
Have you sensed any hesitation on Warner Bros. part? Because itâs, like, an R rated, period, superhero movie, how are we going to sell this thing to the general public?
Zack: I assure them that for whatever itâs worth, âWatchmenâ is a movie that, for whatever reason, though it comments on pop culture, there are very few movies that are pop-culture-self-aware, and this is one of them, and so I think that itâs, I hope anyway, that there is a coolness to that I hope is transcended. Itâs not just for people who like superhero movies, certainly, although if you took everybody who likes superhero movies and put them in a room, the room would be pretty frickinâ huge. So thatâs not a big problem. But because itâs sort of intellectualizes it a little bit, they get scared of that more then anything, âOh great, everybody is going to be snoozing the whole time! While everyone is like, 'Sad! My mother hates me!'" So I think thatâs what theyâre most nervous of: is it going to be a movie for nobody? Is it going to be emotional so action geeks donât like it or is it going to be to action-y so people who like character donâtâ¦I feel like itâs a super delicateâ¦
But there have been some films that paved the way for that, âBatman Beginsâ kinda paved the way for that, âSuperman Returns"â¦
Zack: "Batman Begins" is barely an action movie!
At Comic-Con you were talking about a fan who had made, like, a flash version of the entire story. Having seen that what did it teach you about what you have to keep in and take out?
Zack: What I had seen was basically this guy had prepared this, it was like the first ten pages, and what I learned from it was it was super-interesting to watch, first of all, to watch it takes five hours, it clocked out to five and a half hours if you do the whole book that way. But it was super-riveting to me, anyway, I was just floored by how cool it was, it totally works. So what I learned I guess is, the movie is not going to be that long, but you can shoot it that way. And it works.
Well how tough is it to condense, I mean, this is something people may or may not be familiar with, I mean origin stories, how important is that?
Zack: Origin stories are really important to me. I just like that sort of stuff and I feel like it makes a lot of sense to the guys, who they are. If you donât have that stuff, itâs kind of a one dimensional version of it.
Debbie Snyder: Jackieâs worked so hard.
I was gonna say, I almost thought his muscles were fake for a second.
Zack: Heâs cut anyway though, you seem him likeâ¦
Debbie Snyder: Since he got read he started training in hopeâ¦heâs just been so committed.
Zach we were talking about Warner Bros. reactions and stuff like that. What has Warner Bros. reactions been to the ending? Because I know some of the original times theyâve tried to do this movie, theyâve had happy endings, I assume youâre keeping the ending as-is.
Zack: Yeah, I have an ending, you mean as far as Adrian goes and all that?
Yeah.
Zack: I wonât say exactly what it is, because itâs still a movie and I think it should be a little bit of a secret, even though thereâs a graphic novel. Yeah itâs difficult because that's one of those things that you imagine, Iâve read every draft, and in every draft, I donât even know if itâs a happy ending in what is traditional I mean, in like the more tradition, like âthis is what happened to the bad guyâ sort of thing.
Yeah, like the bad-guy-gets-it sort of thing.
Zack: And not in a sequel way, youâll keep him alive for that reason, which is a fine line. I look at the end of "Superman" and youâre like âOh, Lex Luthorâs on an island. This is ridiculous.â I would have liked him to die, that would have been cool.
We then shut off our recorders as Zack either walked away or was filming somethingâ¦itâs been a year and a halfâ¦.I donât remember exact reasonâ¦but we started back up talking about the ending againâ¦.
Zack: Itâs funny because when we actually got down to actually talking about what was their issue I think we all kind of agreed that you donât gain anything by changing that part of it in some ways. I mean itâs a movie you should leave going, âLetâs talk about this. I think Adrianâs right.â And someone going, âNo wait, are you crazy?â Thatâs the kinda movie is, hopefully. And not a âOh, that was awesome! Letâs go get dinner.â
You havenât reverted back to the Sam Hamm draft, were they save the world and then get transported into the real world?
Zack: And then Rorschach has, ah, where the dogs are his sidekicks? We have dead dogs in a box somewhere.
Are you at all concerned about the ending? As far as itâs relevant? As far as post-9/11, we are sort of seeing that a catastrophic disaster brings people together but it doesnât necessarily pull them together.
Zack: I think thatâs part of the awesome thing that you have in the book, because the book says, âYeah, catastrophic even brings everyone together.â And then you have, like, the very, very end of the book says that's just frickinâ teetering on a razorâs edge and itâs easy to come apart. I think thatâs super relevant.
Dr. Manhattan says as much, âNothing ever ends.â
Zack: Yeah, nothing ever ends.
But sorta for different reasons, thatâs sort of a random. . .
Zack: Yeah, but I think Alan Moore couldnât have known that, so I think he was assuming that was the nature of man, and it turns out heâs right. I think that thatâs kind of the fun of it. And by the way you canâtâ¦itâs funny because one of the things weâ¦you only kind of see, the post, the reconstructed-New York, itâs kind of a short section, you know, in the movie, but it was important to me to have a lot of Veidt stuff around in the post construction-New York. Like heâs sort of as prosperous as ever, you know, in that world.
Heâs saved the world and making a dime off it.
Zack: Yeah, and honestly I donât think he wants to. I honestly think heâs helping, but itâs funny, âcause heâsâ¦fight developments and all that stuff thatâs at the very end, doing reconstruction on the trains and airships and everything.
Is the film going to follow the structure of the comic?
Zack: It follows the structure very closely. When we flip through it and trying to find out where we are itâs pretty easy to do. Itâs super close I think. I mean there are someâ¦Iâm not going to say exactly what the changes are, but there are some changes we had to do just to make it into a movie. But we try as hard as we can to make it. If we do that, whatâs the "why" of it?
I was going to say, we asked about adding stuff, was there fat that needed to be trimmed?
Zack: Itâs not even that, itâs not fat. Itâs just, like I say, if we filmed everything, itâs a five-hour movie. Iâm not saying thatâs wrong, there is nothing wrong with a five-hour movie, it just not practical. And like I say, the movieâs job is not to replace the book, and thatâs the most important thing. I would hope that people see the movie and go, âGos,h I gotta go get a âWatchmenâ book, itâs awesome, I gotta go buy that.â Itâs really just more of that. If someone hard seen the movie and not read the graphic novel, I still want them to be able to read the graphic novel and still be like, âWow! Itâs thicker then that even! Itâs deeper and denser then the movie.â
Structurally, with the graphic novel, Alan Moore possibly uses juxtaposition in every page, dialogue juxtaposed over different scenes. Do you do that kinda thing to? Every scene transition is juxtaposition.
Zack: Yeah, where the dialogue runs over to the next seen, yeah.
And itâs sort of commenting on the next scene, youâre doing that too?
Zack: Yeah. As much as we can.
I was going to ask if youâre shooting with the intention of putting certain extra scene, I know Iâm sorry about the DVD, but are you thinking that way?
Zack: Well weâre over-shootâ¦Itâs fat as hell. So there will definitely be stuff in the DVD, whether itâs good or not, I dunno. But it will definitely beâ¦
So you almost definitely consider, like, an extended âWatchmen.â
Zack: Itâs for sure, thereâs no way thatâs not going to happen. And it will probably have like Black Freighter, and extendedâ¦it will be like some extended, ridiculous version of the movie thatâs justâ¦
And a cool package.
Zack: Yeah, you crack open Manhattanâs chest.
One of the things about the graphic novel is that is treads so much on the mythology, not only just the mythology of comic books, but how difficult is it to balance the strike between the realism that comic book adaptations have tried to bring in terms of making movies, and also the fact that essentially itâs a graphic novel is commenting on ridiculous the costumes are, and how they are, there is sort ofâ¦
Zack: Yeah thatâs kinda what I was getting at before when I was saying that when you forget thatâ¦Itâs like the Laurie/Manhattan love scene with the two Manhattans. You forget when you read it in the graphic novel youâre like oh, thatâs just realâ¦heart attack-serious. And we shot it that way, too. But when you actually watch it, itâs a movie, itâs a different feeling. Not that itâs funny or anything, youâre just like âWow, itâs very stylized.â It's a stylized world, no matter how hard we really try to make it. You have Manhattan walking around, itâs become something else. Itâs different with âDark Knight,â I think, and with the Batman because theyâ¦itâs my feeling in those movies that they almost drank their own Kool-aid a little bit. Iâm a huge fan of the movies, but as far as, like, âWeâre fucking serious doing it like that, cause you know, itâs The Batman!â
Well I guess more specifically. . .
Zack: You become self-aware instantly, I just said this was Batman.
When you watch a lot of horror movie itâs like there is no horror or slasher movie in the world of the movie. Is this a world where comic books exist andâ
Zack: Exactly the way they exist in the graphic novel. Comic books donât exist because thereâs real super heroes. What is the comic book story called? Fantasy Island or something like that? Itâs all pirate comics, itâs that.
They talk about Action Man, and stuff like that too.
Zack: I mean there isâ¦we couldnât get Superman #1. We couldnât get the rights to use images from Superman #1 in the movie.
DCâs over there.
Zack: They canât get them either. Anyway, so, but I want to make a comment about that particular, at least that Golden Age, right? I think we have Batman, do we haveâ¦I dunno, youâll have to look for it in the movie. Because there is a scene where Hollis, there is a quick flash of Hollis in the title sequence where heâs on his first day on the street, and I wanted to do a shot were you had that and posters for Superman #1 in the alley and heâs sort of peeled back. Because comics, in Under the Hood, that what the thing that made him go, like, âI want to do that.â And so I feel like thatâs important to reference sort-of Golden Age heroes, I dunno, Shadow or whatever. Because theyâre so, they influenced this so much and so I think itâs our intention, and based on the images that we created so far, and we are working on, thereâs a lot of comment on Golden Age. It kinda gets you to this. Also I think a lot of young moviegoers donât even realize that this wasnât just an invention of the 80s, that Batman just didnât show up. Tim Burton just didnât go âHey, Batman would be cool.â
I was going to ask can you talk a little bit about the cast and working with some of the actors?
Zack: Theyâve been awesome, theyâve been amazing. You know Billyâs been amazing cause you know,