Evangeline Lilly Talks the Origin of Her Character, Getting New Script Pages Daily, and More on the Set of THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG

     October 17, 2013

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If you’ve read J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit, you know there is no female elf named Tauriel.  However, with so many different characters and races talked about in the books and The Silmarillion, screenwriters Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and Philippa Boyens have, according to Evangeline Lilly, “taken elements of different female Elven characters throughout Tolkien’s work, and they have amalgamated those things into one character, which is Tauriel.”  During a group interview on the set of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug she went on to say, “she becomes sort of the embodiment and representation of the Wood Elves, which Tolkien talks about at length in all of his books. And in this book in particular, he just doesn’t introduce you to any of them. Well, you can’t have a movie with a group of people that are significant players in the story, that push forward the plot, without introducing at least one or two of them. You have to meet them. So I think that they just recognized that.”

In addition to talking about why they added her character, Lilly talked about her hesitation about taking on the role, her training, wanting to do her own stunts, her large ears and wig, learning Elvish, the last minute script changes, filming the action scenes, the new technology being used, the proper way to pronounce Smaug, and so much more.  Hit the jump for what she had to say.

the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-evangeline-lillyQuestion: So what have you been doing the last few days on set? What’s the adventure been?

EVANGELINE LILLY: Kind of the story of my life on this film is that I’m just not on set most of the time. The last few days, I’ve been enjoying home and hearth, and been at home with my girlfriend who’s visiting from Hawaii. I spend a very little amount of time on set for the amount of time I’m in New Zealand, which is great.

Is your short hair part of the look of the character? Or is it just something that’s easier to wear a wig with?

LILLY: Neither. I just like short hair on women, I think it’s cool. And I have wanted to cut my hair for very many years, but being on contract with a television show for six years prevents you from doing that, and then being on contract with a cosmetic endorsement campaign prevents you from doing that again. So for eight years, I’ve had to have long, flowing locks. And I was just so sick and tired of long, flowing locks, so I chopped them.

You’re playing a character that’s not in the book, so I’m curious– If you could just talk a bit about your perception of her and her character.

LILLY: It would be my pleasure. Because of course, that is the greatest source of my anxiety on this film, is that I’m going to be lynched. I was a die-hard fan of these books before the films ever came out. And when I say die-hard, I wasn’t the person who could speak Elvish, but I really loved them. And I wasn’t actually going to see the original films, because I didn’t think it was possible that a film could represent the books appropriately. So I was protesting, and I wasn’t going to see them. And then my family all took a jaunt together, the entire family, to see the movies, and were like, “What, you’re just going to stay home?” So I saw the movies and was thoroughly impressed that Peter Jackson managed to make my vision of the book come to life, as well as my sister’s and my father’s, and my aunt’s and my uncle’s, everyone’s. It seemed to somehow pan across everyone’s vision, even though we all knew we had to have had different visions of the books.

hobbit-desolation-smaug-martin-freemanSo when I got called and was told, “We’d like you to do The Hobbit”, which was my favorite of all of them when I was a kid– “And we want you to play a character that’s not in the books”, I gulped and hesitated, but then I went, “These guys know this world, and they represent this world so well, that I actually think they’ve earned the right to have a little play.” And I think that for this character in particular, she becomes sort of the embodiment and representation of the Wood Elves, which Tolkien talks about at length in all of his books. And in this book in particular, he just doesn’t introduce you to any of them. Well, you can’t have a movie with a group of people that are significant players in the story, that push forward the plot, without introducing at least one or two of them. You have to meet them. So I think that they just recognized that. And they could have made it a male Elf, but we have Legolas, and nobody needs to have to compete with that.

So I think doing a female Elf in the Woodland realm was a bit safer, because we haven’t met one of those yet. And also, I think this book is really, really alpha, it’s very male-driven. It’s all male characters, and they ended up– In the book, there’s not one female character. And if you watch a film from beginning to end, with no women in it, it’s really difficult. I don’t know if any of you feel this way, but it’s like eventually, you see a woman come on screen and you go, “Oh, thank God!” You just sort of need a break from all this testosterone, which happened, I think, in one of my films, The Hurt Locker. I was in it for like five minutes, and people were like, “You were in that movie!” And I was like, “Well, kind of.” And they were like, “No, you were!” ‘Cause they needed a woman!

Is your character much different from the other Elves in the story?

LILLY: My character is different from all of the Elves you’ve met before, in that she’s really young. And I keep telling journalists this because I’ve really focused on that in my performance. I’m trying to distinguish her from all of these incredibly sage and wise Elves that have lived for thousands of years. She’s only six hundred years old, she’s just a baby. So she’s a bit more impulsive, and she’s a bit more immature. I think she’s more easily romanticized by a lot of things.

the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-evangeline-lillyCan you tell us a little bit about your character’s look, and sort of the costumes and stuff?

LILLY: Yeah, I love my character’s look. One of the great pleasures of working in Middle Earth is you get to be another being. Most of us are not playing human beings. So I have these– I got sat down when I first arrived, to try on my ears, to decide what my years would be. And I was presented with three beautiful sets of ears, and they said, “Well, we’ve got the small, the medium, and the large. Which one would you like to wear?” And right away, they went, “Probably not the large.” And they sort of shuffled them aside, and went, “But we think the small and the medium would look great on you.” So we tried them on, and I was like, “Yeah, they’re kind of okay. Can I just try the large?” So we tried the large, and I was like, “That’s it!” I love them, they’re huge! I have these huge, pointed ears. They’re like three times the size of Orlando Bloom’s ears. And I think he has ear envy, I love my ears. And how I can get away with that is I have this wig that’s down to my knees. It’s a massive head of hair, and it’s almost shocking red. It’s sort of auburn red, but it’s a red wig. 

And so, my hair is kind of big and it’s very noticeable. And I have what we joke around with on set, we call it my ‘IHS’, which is my Iconic Hair Shape, and it’s this big, beautiful, lustrous curl that runs down my back. So I could get away with having really big ears, because there was nothing that was going to distract you from the hair. And then otherwise, because I’m a warrior, because I’m not a princess, as with most– Well, both of the female Elves we’ve met in Middle Earth up to now, I don’t wear all of the glorious gowns that they wear. I don’t have all the layers and the chiffon and the silks– I’m in very practical, military clothing. I’m the head of the Elven Guard, so I spend most of my time in the movie slaughtering Orcs and Goblins, which is great fun. Although, hair down to your knees can get a bit troublesome when you’re flying around killing Orcs and Goblins. So yeah, I wear the military garb of the Woodland Elves.

You mentioned flying and jumping, so are you on a lot of wirework?

the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-martin-freemanLILLY: No. And it just pisses me off. Because my character is, so they get my stunt double to do all the wirework up to now. And every time, I go, “Please, can you just train me on a wire?” Because I’ve spent six years on a show that we did a lot of stunts in, and I did all my own stunts, everything. And I’m really not used to being treated like “a star”. On that show, we were just hired help. We were not treated that way. They’re like, “You’re precious. We can’t bump you, or bruise you, because there’s only one of you, and there’s like a thousand stunt doubles.” And I go, “Well, but I’m Tauriel. Shouldn’t I do it? I want to do it.” So it’s this back and forth and we fight about it all the time. Not fight, but I beg for it.

So they never let you do anything on wirework? Not even one thing?

LILLY: I haven’t been put on a wire in the stunt hangar, let alone on camera. They won’t put me on a wire. Yesterday, I was doing stunt training, and they went, “Well, there’s a lot of wirework in this one.” I went, “Are you going to put me on a wire?” And I get this lip service, they go, “Well, maybe if we…” And they talk for so long about it. Then at the end of it, I go, “Wait, am I on the wire, or am I not on the wire?” And they just walk away!

So is your character mostly swordplay, or is it archery, too?

LILLY: I do archery, but for the most part, I have two daggers, and I wield my daggers, and they’re effective.

How much training did you have to do for that?

LILLY: I had to do quite a bit of training, and generally, I find stunts a lot of fun, and I don’t struggle too much with them, ’cause I’m a really physical person. But once you put an actual skill into it– Like now I have to be able to spin knives and shit, while I’m in the middle of a fight, and I find that incredibly difficult. Because it is not instinctive, and I always have just led by instinct in anything physical, and sort of just got by on the skill. Like when I was a soccer player, I was really gritty, and I could take girls twice my size down, and that was great, but dribble the ball? Eh. So it’s a struggle being an Elf who has really got all this flourish and is extremely elegant.

the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-orlando-bloomSo you had to learn Elvish for this role?

LILLY: Yes.

So is there an Elvish equivalent to, “The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains”?

LILLY: No, there’s no– There is for me, because anything that I’ve said so far becomes that for me. ‘Cause I’ve just memorized my lines. I haven’t sat down and memorized the language of Elvish, and anyone who does that is crazy!

So you and Orlando Bloom can’t have banter?

LILLY: No! We can barely get our lines out. Both of us will get up to the Elvish line, and you can see us go (makes nervous panting sound) And then we’ll say it, and then we’ll be like, “Phew!” And then we go on with the English.

I’m curious, often when you get the script, it looks a certain way. Then you get on set, things change. How have things adjusted during the filming process? Is this one of these productions where you’re getting pages under your door? Or it’s been pretty much…

LILLY: Have you asked this question before?

I’ve asked it on many different productions, but not this one.

LILLY: Let me be the first to tell you about this production. Pretty much, there’s new pages every day. There’s a new schedule every day. And for the most part, my biggest scenes, I have been given the night before, often at seven o’clock. And I have two pages of RP and Elvish to memorize, and I am just spinning out. I am completely like– You start to go, “I’m going to be horrible, and they’re going to hate me! I’m supposed to be great, and I’m going to be horrible”, because I’m used to a little bit more prep time and lead time than that. But I think the logistics have worked out such that originally, it was Guillermo del Toro who was supposed to be doing this film, and then at the very last minute, it switched back over to Pete and Fran and Phi’s hands. And I think at that point, the momentum of the film was already there, and they really wanted them to just start shooting, and I don’t think they had a lot of lead time. 

the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-luke-evansAnd then the other thing that happens is, I think Philippa and Fran, who do most of the writing, and then Peter gives it a once-over and gives his notes and they go back to the drawing board– The three of them have a style of writing which is that they get an idea of what they want in their minds, and then they search for the person. And once they find the person who’s going to play that role, they want that person to have a huge effect and influence on how the role is developed. So they’ll watch what I do when I’m on camera, and then they’ll go, “Oh, I know…” And then it triggers ideas in their mind and it solidifies the characters in their mind. And therefore, they write accordingly which, for an actor, is both hugely generous and complimentary. You don’t often get that. Often, you have a very distinct thing that they want you to do, and you have to find a way to put yourself into that box or into that mold. And they’re doing the opposite, they’re making the character fit into the mold of what the actor’s bringing to that table, which is a great luxury. It just means that we have to work really hard, because we are getting pages at the last minute most of the time.

So do you know if your character was the creation of Guillermo, or was it from Fran and Peter and Philippa?

LILLY: It was from Fran and Peter and Philippa. As you probably can assume, they’ve read everything: The Silmarillion, and all the extra that Tolkien wrote about the world and the land. And I think they have just absorbed so much of it, that they have taken elements of different female Elven characters throughout Tolkien’s work, and they have amalgamated those things into one character, which is Tauriel.

Do you have any scenes with Hugo Weaving’s Elrond?

the-hobbit-desolation-of-smaug-ian-mckellanLILLY: No, none actually. Nor do I have scenes with Cate Blanchett’s Galadriel. They are in a completely different storyline than me. And you’ll find that a lot in the film, as with Rings, there’s a lot of compartmentalization. Like I work primarily with a group of four Dwarves and three humans. And for the most part– I have never, and never will do a scene with Bilbo. I’ve not worked with Martin Freeman. I’ve hung out with him, but I’ve not worked with him. And the movie is about him.

Can you tell us who– which ones you have worked with?

LILLY: Yeah. Primarily, I work with– Do you want the character name or the actor’s name?

The actor’s name.

LILLY: Yeah, that would be helpful, ’cause I don’t know if I have all the character’s names down pat. She’s way too snobby to talk to most of them. So it’s Aidan Turner, Dean O’Gorman– what a great name. Is that very Irish? He’s Kiwi though. John Callen, Jimmy Nesbitt, Jimmy Nesbitt’s daughters– who are gorgeous and incredibly talented, this is their first job ever, and they’ve totally stepped up to the plate– And John Bell. Primarily, I work with those guys. And obviously, also Orlando Bloom. And Lee Pace, who is my king. And Lee Pace was actually also my roommate for a little while.

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So no scenes with Gandalf at all?

LILLY: None. Again, I’ve had him over for dinner, but I’ve never done a scene with him!

You talked about acting, and you have to react to things that aren’t actually there. Is there a lot of previsualization that you can look at on a monitor and see what the scene is ultimately going to look like in a rough form?

the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaugLILLY: Not when you first walk into the scene. It depends on the order of things. If you’re lucky enough to go last, do your coverage last, then yes, you’re probably going to have somebody else’s coverage to watch, who’s acted opposite a green tennis ball or something, and suffered through that.

So you guys shoot those scenes at the exact same time?

LILLY: Exactly. They go, “Action!” They’re coordinating crews, and on two different stages, they’re calling out “action”, we’re moving at the same time, the cameras move together, so we have to play– We sort of dance without having the dance partner there. And we’ll do that with scenes that have six-seven-eight characters, and so, it’s crazy. ‘Cause I’m on one stage with the children, and then the dwarves are all on another stage, and we’re all moving in a room together. And you have to know that there’s four people who are moving in that room that you’re not allowed to walk right through, or it’s going to look like ghosts. You have to make sure you move around them and not through them.

Are there marks on the ground that tell you where…?

LILLY: Yeah, there’s marks on the ground, and sometimes you might have a stick with a tennis ball, or something to indicate– Like if somebody’s stationary, there will be something there to indicate, “Okay, here’s that dwarf. And don’t forget they’re wide, so don’t get too close to the stick.” And it’s a challenge, man! It’s hard.

Do you have an earpiece or something for audio?

LILLY: Yeah. We’re all wearing earpieces.

How do you tell which one gets the green screen stage and which one gets the…?

peter-jackson-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaugLILLY: It depends on what stage has been built. If the stage has been built for the big scale, then I’ll be on the set and they’ll be on the green screen. And if the stage has been built for the small scale, I’ll be on the green screen and they’ll be on the set. And everyone, of course, remembers the opening moment from The Hobbit, where Bilbo meets all the dwarves at Bag End. They all come knocking on his door: slave mocon. So there’s fourteen dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo. And this is chaos, it’s mayhem. They’re throwing plates, they’re throwing cutlery, they’re doing all this stuff, and poor Ian McKellen– How old is he now? He’s like eighty! And he’s on this set going (makes weary noise) and there’s nothing around him and he’s talking to like seventeen– And it looks like he’s lost his mind. And then he sits around a table like this, ’cause this is what Bag End looks like in the end, they end up sitting around a table eating together. And there’s different colored spots on the tennis balls, so that it helps him remember which one’s Oin, which one’s Gloin, which one’s Fili, which one’s Kili, which one’s Bombur, which one’s Bofur. And he’s got to keep it all straight in his head and there’s no one there! It’s amazing.

So do you end up doing action scenes that way, too?

LILLY: Generally, the action scenes get shot separate. Because action scenes for the most part, play either with scales, with our doubles which would be– We have small people who play the scale double for the dwarves. They’ll fight for the dwarves, and then my stunt double will fight for me for the wide shots. And then once we get in close for coverage, you don’t see anyone else anyway, so there might be a stunt double in the background of my shot that’s just a blur, but it’s me doing it. So we don’t really have to do that for the action scenes. But the scene I’m talking about where he’s grabbing for my knives– That looked a bit suggestive. Knives!– is the scene where I’ve just finished slaughtering, like, five different spiders. And he’s there, and I clock him, but we don’t actually have to fight together.

Have you seen any of the footage in forty-eight frames per second, the way that Peter’s shooting it? Have you gotten a chance to check that out?

the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaugLILLY: I think that I probably saw what was raw footage of that when I first arrived, ’cause I got this screening where they were showing us what they’ve done up to now. ‘Cause it’s such a long shoot, they’re trying to keep morale up. ‘Cause you can’t just keep shooting indefinitely without seeing something. You start to lose enthusiasm, I think. And there was something strange about what I was watching, ’cause I actually remember having a small panic attack, thinking, “Oh, my God, this isn’t working. Something’s not working.” ‘Cause it was really weird, it looked weird. And then I talked to people who have actually been doing their ADR, their additional dialogue recording, so that means they’re seeing a much more polished piece, where they’ve put all the CGI in, they’ve finished everything and now we just talk over that. And everyone’s saying, “It looks amazing.” But without the finishing touches, just that raw footage at forty-eight frames– I think ’cause we’re not used to seeing it that way, it was very jarring for me. I didn’t like it. But I think that that’s because it needs all the finessing that he puts into his films. Post-production is pretty much as important and as long as our actual production time.

There’s a lot of singing in the book. Does that carry on to the movie, and do you get to partake?

LILLY: No, I don’t get to partake. (whispering) Thank God! (normal) You don’t want to hear me sing. But I do know that the Dwarves have done some singing. And they actually all did their own singing, and it’s amazing. So when you see– There’s a scene in Bag End where the Dwarves sing this haunting song, it’s all the actors. Nobody’s been dubbed over, and it’s beautiful. It gives you shivers.

What was your reaction to the trailer? ‘Cause obviously you’ve seen some footage, but the trailer’s the first time they really released any real footage. What was your reaction to watching it?

LILLY: I just wanted more. I just felt like, “Argh! That’s just a tease”, like I didn’t get any– I think we get a bit spoiled with trailers nowadays, ’cause you can watch the trailer three times and you’ve seen the movie. Nowadays they don’t really keep anything hidden. And I love that they did keep a lot hidden, because I don’t like that about trailers. But I think because of that I was like, “I didn’t– But I want to see it all, I want to see everything!” And just that little bit was not enough to get a gauge on the film at all, I don’t think.

the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-posterSo many of these people worked with Peter, much of the crew and some of the actors. Did it take you long to feel part of the family, being one of the new cast members coming in?

LILLY: No, definitely not. The Kiwi crew are really, really easy, and there’s just an immediate rapport. As a Canadian, I felt like that was something that carried over for me, and I thought was really nice. One of the things that I miss about Canada is that even the strangers, you have an immediate rapport, there’s just an understanding that we’re all good people, let’s be nice to each other. And Kiwis have that. I find the Kiwis have that. And then Peter is so easy and relaxed, and really funny. He’s surprisingly funny. He has a really good vibe on set. There’s no sense at all, at least I don’t get the sense at all, that he has an ego about what he’s doing, or an arrogance about that being his film set. I think he gets really excited about the characters, and because he’s so excited about the characters, it means he’s excited about you, which is a really nice thing to walk into. And then I arrived a year after the dwarves had been busy at work. And the Dwarves are all new to the set. 

So I think because they all came into the Rings world brand new there’s sort of like, new kids stick together, new kids take care of each other. And I think they all took me under their wing very easily and quickly, and I think they maybe know what it feels like to be the new kid on the block. I actually have a really strong rapport with most of the dwarves. We’re all really good friends, and I think they were incredibly friendly and welcoming, and it was all very easy. Even Orlando, he’s the veteran, and he’s this huge movie star who made his mark in these movies, who people will remember forever from Lord of The Rings. You never felt like he was like, “Well, you’re on my set. You’re in my world now.” He’s really welcoming and sweet, and open and warm. In the most amazing role reversal, he almost came in and you could tell that because he was coming into this new group– He used to have his old group with Rings. Maybe he was a bit nervous, like, “Is it going to work, and are we all going to be friends like we had on Rings?” And you could see that he really wanted to connect to people. Out of anybody, maybe you’d expect that he might have been a snob about it all, and he’s the opposite. So it has just been great.

So it’s [pronounced] “Smoog”?

LILLY: So, in Elvish, you pronounce every letter. You never draw letters together, you pronounce every letter. So if there was two ‘N’s, you would have to pronounce both of the ‘N’s, even if they’re right together. So that’s why it’s not ‘Smaug’, because that would be English. It’s “Sma-oog”. All right, that’s my Elvish lesson for the day, thank you! Thanks, guys.

Here is more from my Hobbit set visit:

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