GAME OF THRONES Season 5 May Omit Stoneheart Character Entirely

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Most Game of Thrones fans know of the online furor that arose after the credits rolled on the show’s fourth season finale.  For book readers, there had been an omission: a character who makes an appearance in A Storm of Swords’ Epilogue.  From there, there was much discussion back and forth within the fandom and in a variety of media outlets over whether the omission was a good thing, to the point of whether the character should be eliminated from the storytelling altogether.  Hit the jump for a recent interview that could clear some of this speculation up, but warning, there will be MAJOR book spoilers about who the character is.

game-of-thrones-michelle-fairley-lady-stoneheartThe character in question is of course Lady Stoneheart, who is essentially the resurrected body of Catelyn Stark.  After the Red Wedding, when Catelyn’s throat was slit and she was thrown into the river, she was then rescued by The Brotherhood Without Banners, whose leader, Beric Dondarrion, gave his life for hers. From that point, Lady Stoneheart takes over command of the Brotherhood, roaming the land in order to exact vengeance for her family’s suffering.

There are several things to say about this.  First of all, if Stoneheart was going to appear in Game of Thrones, the backstory necessary to remind viewers not only exactly what happened to her at the Red Wedding, but the significance of Beric (who has been re-cast at least once) and the Brotherhood would have been too much for Season Four.  The reveal would be far more likely to take place in the next season (if at all).

On the other hand, there are many who think the story of Stoneheart is patently ridiculous, and doesn’t need to exist (to some, it also lessens the effect of the Red Wedding).  In A Dance With Dragons, Stoneheart’s story intersects with Brienne’s, but if show decides to eliminate Stoneheart, it would potentially show a very different direction for Brienne’s future.

EW recently spoke to Catelyn Stark actress Michelle Fairley about her role on 24: Live Another Day, but also a lot about Stoneheart.  After saying she wasn’t aware of the online discussions after the finale, the interviewer asks about what she does know about the character’s fate:

There was a lot of online conversation. I heard third-hand that you were basically told that it’s not likely to ever happen. Is that accurate?

Fairley: Yeah, the character’s dead. She’s dead. 

Do you have a preference at all—do you think Catelyn’s arc should end where it ended, or would you be into the resurrection idea?

Fairley: You respect the writers’ decision. I knew the arc, and that was it. They can’t stick to the books 100 percent. It’s impossible—they only have 10 hours per season. They have got to keep it dramatic and exciting, and extraneous stuff along the way gets lost in order to maintain the quality of brilliant show. 

So this seems to be cut and dry.  Still, given showrunners Dan Weiss and David Benioff‘s penchant for zombies on the show (they’ve added several scenes, or moved up things regarding things happening North of the Wall), it’s quite surprising that they would pass up an opportunity for such a shocking moment.  On the other hand, these comments have not been confirmed, so perhaps Lady Stoneheart will still appear at some point as a surprise for everyone.  After all, Lena Heady did post that heart made of stones on Instagram before the finale (though later claimed she was just drunk and thought it looked cool … ok).

What say you, fans?  Should Lady Stoneheart make an appearance in the next season, or beyond?  Or should Catelyn remain in her watery grave?

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  • Sweet Pea

    Good. In the books it was ridiculous and not really sustainable, it would completely ruin the TV show. The red wedding being the end of the starks (effectively) is much much better.

    • Lis

      I agree, didn’t like it either. I’m just wondering what they will come up with if Stoneheart plays an important part in the story later on. She does have a moment in book 4, though it’s not clear how it plays out. I suppose they can always introduce her later if they have to, but doesn’t seem very likely

    • BigJimSlade

      “The red wedding being the end of the starks (effectively) is much much better.”

      LOL. Don’t quit your day job.

      I think we should all trust the very, very successful and talented writer of these books, eh? Some people write. Some people can’t – and they blog.

      Let’s let the writers do the writing…

      • agent777

        I 110% agree. Just as Martin is 110% percent responsible for this show even existing.

      • Sweet Pea

        Too late too BigJimSlade, I already quit my day job and started my treatment on a Season 5 – 6 story arc for Game of Thrones which I am assuming HBO will love and pay me handsomely for – it doesn’t include Stoneheart tho, sorry bud.

      • Sweet Pea

        Too late too BigJimSlade, I already quit my day job and started my treatment on a Season 5 – 6 story arc for Game of Thrones which I am assuming HBO will love and pay me handsomely for – it doesn’t include Stoneheart tho, sorry bud.

      • Matt Hardwick

        What was wrong with Sweet Pea’s comment? It made perfect sense and it was correct.

      • Matt Hardwick

        What was wrong with Sweet Pea’s comment? It made perfect sense and it was correct.

      • Matt Hardwick

        What was wrong with Sweet Pea’s comment? It made perfect sense and it was correct.

      • Petrified

        No, it wasn’t. Ridiculous? Not sustainable? Are you high? She plays a central role in Brienne’s story, not to mention the INFINITE potential there was for when she sees one of her children or Jon Snow which will inevitably happen. Not to mention she’s one of the few living examples of R’hllor’s power along with Melisandre, and one of the few main examples of active magic in the world aside from Danny’s dragons. Seems like you seriously lack imagination if you cannot see all the amazing potential this character has.

      • Matt Hardwick

        Don’t bring me into it, it’s Sweet Pea you’re talking to. But some things don’t translate well to film/TV, take it up with the producers. In a lot of viewer’s eyes, the Red Wedding was Catelyn’s end and it should remain that way if they’re taking the show in new directions.

    • Seriously

      You haven’t a clue.

  • Sweet Pea

    Good. In the books it was ridiculous and not really sustainable, it would completely ruin the TV show. The red wedding being the end of the starks (effectively) is much much better.

  • Sweet Pea

    Good. In the books it was ridiculous and not really sustainable, it would completely ruin the TV show. The red wedding being the end of the starks (effectively) is much much better.

  • NathanArizona

    “it’s quite surprising that they would pass up an opportunity for such a shocking moment”

    Um, it’s not going to be very shocking if websites keep running articles like this. Hitfix did one that had a big Catelyn picture before you even click the link and anyone remotely curious would open up this article and see Cat long before they read the spoiler warning.

    • rick

      Yep, if they’re going to do it at all, they missed a big opportunity. It should have been in the finale.

      Like you said, all these sites are running stories about “Where was Lady Stoneheart?!” with pictures of the actress and everything. It’s not going to be a surprise anymore. They blew it, and the media didn’t help.

      Honestly, why are things like this being published? Does the media know for a fact that she won’t appear? Why risk spoiling some so major? Kind of a dick move.

      • agent777

        Kind of a dick move to not a read a book that has been out ten years and then complain when people talk about it.

      • rick

        If these were book sites, I’d agree with you.

        They aren’t. They are movie/television sites. Game of Thrones should be presented only as a television show, as if the books don’t even exist.

  • NathanArizona

    “it’s quite surprising that they would pass up an opportunity for such a shocking moment”

    Um, it’s not going to be very shocking if websites keep running articles like this. Hitfix did one that had a big Catelyn picture before you even click the link and anyone remotely curious would open up this article and see Cat long before they read the spoiler warning.

  • NathanArizona

    “it’s quite surprising that they would pass up an opportunity for such a shocking moment”

    Um, it’s not going to be very shocking if websites keep running articles like this. Hitfix did one that had a big Catelyn picture before you even click the link and anyone remotely curious would open up this article and see Cat long before they read the spoiler warning.

  • Mike Sloan

    man, i don’t know…. i trust the writers? i guess. Yeah, that sounds right. But Brienne walking through a forest decorated with dead and decaying Frey’s does sound awesome. Plus, if you cut it out, why have Beric at all? Sure all that needed to happen, but what happened to them? Beric was a zombie guy sorta, right? Maybe Brienne will be murdering Frey’s? I don’t know, all i know is this show is about to surpass these novels, like real quick

  • Sam spade

    Yes. It’s one of the most rewarding characters. Because it represents the umabashed vengeance we all want for the Starks.

    • justkiddingnobutseriously

      That’s what the kids are for.

      • Mary Christine

        You must be joking. Arya is acting like a Grey Sister at the moment. Is she becoming a Nun? No one knows.
        Bran is talking with trees. No, he’s becoming a tree-warg. Now that has some avenging potential, but not a very big one, unless he has some army. Looking forward to him and the Onion Knight to meet. Anyway, his vengeance would take faaaar too long.
        And that leaves us Lady Stoneheart. Who kills a satisfying amount of people to quench our thirst for Frey blood after the Red Wedding.

      • justkiddingnobutseriously

        The Stoneheart story is a bit too mystical for me but Martin probably has something important in store for her otherwise she wouldn’t be introduced. That’s the same argument I could say for the kids. It is possible that time will fast forward a bit. Even if it doesn’t, we’re still following Arya, Sansa, Jon, and Bran’s POVs. Not even counting Rickon. So still, most of the Stark children are alive and accounted for. There’s a reason for it and I’m sure we’ll get a picture when WoW comes out, which better be soon. Besides, their storylines are ripe for future heroics, w/e they may be. We’ve already seen it in Jon. Flashes of it in Arya. The rest are finally maturing nicely as well.

      • justkiddingnobutseriously

        The Stoneheart story is a bit too mystical for me but Martin probably has something important in store for her otherwise she wouldn’t be introduced. That’s the same argument I could say for the kids. It is possible that time will fast forward a bit. Even if it doesn’t, we’re still following Arya, Sansa, Jon, and Bran’s POVs. Not even counting Rickon. So still, most of the Stark children are alive and accounted for. There’s a reason for it and I’m sure we’ll get a picture when WoW comes out, which better be soon. Besides, their storylines are ripe for future heroics, w/e they may be. We’ve already seen it in Jon. Flashes of it in Arya. The rest are finally maturing nicely as well.

  • JMD

    Yes, Stoneheart must make an appearance. If only so all my friends who haven’t read the books can be like, “What?!? She’s dead.” And I can laugh maniacally.

  • Michael

    If Lady Stoneheart has been cut then the GoT showrunners has truly lost their touch on the show and its going down fast. That is simply not a character to exclude. She has vital interactions with Brienne, Poddrick and Jaime.

    • illipsis

      How does Stoneheart interact with Jaime? Genuinely asking as it’s been a while since I read AFFC.

      I think it’s pretty clear that the showrunners are taking liberties with the narrative based on the information GRRM gave them about its eventual trajectory; characters/plotlines that aren’t essential to the ultimate conclusion of the show are now more extraneous to it and are being cut accordingly. From her appearance(s) thus far in the novel’s, Stoneheart kind of seems on the cusp to me.

      Mind you, I’m still salty Patchface isn’t a part of the show :(

  • Polarboy

    Whatever happens never take an actor’s word for it, that would be incredibly stupid.

  • rick

    Well, she IS dead, no? So, if Stoneheart does appear, Fairley wouldn’t exactly be lying.

    I’ll hold out and see.

  • George

    Small correction: Brienne intersects with Stoneheart on the fourth book: A Feast of Crows.

    • George

      Damn it! A meant “A Feast FOR Crows”

      • Matt Hardwick

        There’s an edit button y’know…

  • enzofloc

    Note to self: stop reading Allison’s entries.
    Backstory? You mean “Previously on GOT”

  • LEM

    Beric was the guy the hound sliced in two and came back to life, right?

    • Sweet Pea

      No.

  • mattinacan

    YOU’RE patently ridiculous, i want my stoneheart

  • monkeypaws

    so basically brienne will have no story line next season or jaime later

  • BigJimSlade

    “to some, it also lessens the effect of the Red Wedding”

    Stoneheart is one of the effects of the Red Wedding. After all the Starks have been through, I can think of a juicier storyline (especially since we don’t know what GRRM is going to do with the final 2 books) than seeing one of the Stark clan exact revenge from the grave.

    NOT doing Stoneheart kind of lessens the effect of the Red Wedding, Beric and all the tragedies that the Stark clan has gone through, among other things.

    This is horrible news. I know I’ll keep watching the show, but I know between the books/show, which I hold dearly. I guess we’ll be seeing more boobs and new characters instead?

    • agent777

      I don’t think the show is going to hold up well over time. I’d be dissapointed more though if this hadn’t already been done with season 2.

      They also dropped the ball on Tywin’s death, subbing some brilliant dialogue for the most cliched lines possible.

    • Sweet Pea

      “NOT doing Stoneheart kind of lessens the effect of the Red Wedding, Beric and all the tragedies that the Stark clan has gone through, among other things.”

      LOL. Don’t quit your day job.

      I think we should all trust the very, very successful and talented writer of these books, eh? Some people write. Some people can’t – and they blog.

      Let’s let the writers do the writing…

    • Sweet Pea

      “NOT doing Stoneheart kind of lessens the effect of the Red Wedding, Beric and all the tragedies that the Stark clan has gone through, among other things.”

      LOL. Don’t quit your day job.

      I think we should all trust the very, very successful and talented writer of these books, eh? Some people write. Some people can’t – and they blog.

      Let’s let the writers do the writing…

    • Matt Hardwick

      The Red Wedding was the end of the Starks. Suddenly bringing one of them back out of nowhere would lessen that effect.

  • elle

    lady stoneheart was key to establishing worldbuilding aspects of westeros (the killing your guests taboo that underscores how terrible the red wedding really was) and seeing as religion is kind of shadowy it’s a really fascinating turn of events, it’s satisfying because yay vengeance, painful because it makes for some really juicy but sad conflict with brienne. only a total idiot would leave it out, and there’s plenty of room for it, all you have to do is cut some of the gratuitous rape scenes that weren’t even in the books, but the show clearly gives fuck-all about catelyn’s character

    • agent777

      Bottom line, read the books if you even half like the show, you won’t regret it.

      Don’t be a dickless Unsullied.

  • Max Rockatansky

    No wonder the last episode of season 4 was pure shit because they decided to make it their own. I have a feeling season 5 is going to be the most disappointing if D&D decided to make stupid decisions. “It’s impossible—they only have 10 hours per season.” Hey idiot. How about 13 episode per season and make it longer than the stupid 50 mins per episode?

    edit: So this didn’t come from D&D that LS won’t be showing up. It’s just Michelle Fairley think or trying to throw people of that LS might not be in it for season 5. Bad thread title.

  • The Flobbit

    I really don’t see why Stoneheart should be there at all. She did nothing in the books except turn up cryptically and cause bloody chaos. But they have to be careful as I am sure that Martin has plans for her in Winds of Winter.

  • The Flobbit

    I really don’t see why Stoneheart should be there at all. She did nothing in the books except turn up cryptically and cause bloody chaos. But they have to be careful as I am sure that Martin has plans for her in Winds of Winter.

  • fluxCAPS

    I think Stoneheart will show up in S5.
    Lena Headey is one for one on her spoiler pics so far.
    There wasn’t enough time to fit Lady Stoneheart into the already overcrowded final episode of S4.

  • fluxCAPS

    I think Stoneheart will show up in S5.
    Lena Headey is one for one on her spoiler pics so far.
    There wasn’t enough time to fit Lady Stoneheart into the already overcrowded final episode of S4.

  • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

    “…patently ridiculous…” – no more, I’d say, than the zombie skeletons Hodor fought alongside the fireball-throwing magic elf. That was… I did not care for it.
    And they’re already…

    [SPOILER FOR THE BOOKS]

    [You've been warned]

    [Here we go]

    …probably, I should say, hinting at the resurrection of the Mountain as well as having shown that the red priest can bring back people who have died. So it’s all part of the fabric of the world at this point. I don’t find it that silly, actually, and I didn’t hate those parts of the book as much as some people seem to do. It’s certainly not something that breaks with the reality the books and the show have been creating.

  • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

    “…patently ridiculous…” – no more, I’d say, than the zombie skeletons Hodor fought alongside the fireball-throwing magic elf. That was… I did not care for it.
    And they’re already…

    [SPOILER FOR THE BOOKS]

    [You've been warned]

    [Here we go]

    …probably, I should say, hinting at the resurrection of the Mountain as well as having shown that the red priest can bring back people who have died. So it’s all part of the fabric of the world at this point. I don’t find it that silly, actually, and I didn’t hate those parts of the book as much as some people seem to do. It’s certainly not something that breaks with the reality the books and the show have been creating.

    • The Flobbit

      SPOILERS.

      The Mountain was never resurrected. It was barely hinted that Ser Tall was the Mountain, and I think that it’s extremely unlikely that it’s actually him.

      • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

        The books are very ambiguous about the whole thing, I’ll agree about that (also, I only read #4 and #5 the once, and it’s been a couple of years now), but I thought the hint in the show was pretty strong. No reason to have that scene unless it’s gonna lead to something.

      • Chris B

        I think it’s extremely likely that The Mountain is Ser Robert Strong.

      • The Flobbit

        OK, Ser Strong, thats what it was…
        Well, I disagree. Maybe the show will go differently.

  • Zoeh

    This contains SPOILERS.

    I enjoyed it in the books, i was a bit of a shocker, everyone saying that it was ridiculous aren’t thinking about the wider angle here. Stoneheart is brought back through R’llor. She is an example of R’llor’s strength. A true sign of the Red God. Dondarrion was impressive enough, but to bring someone back from the dead after several weeks, is something Dondarrion never did. The fact she loses all of her personality and becomes consumed on revenge is another important thing, it is a rebirth, she isn’t Catelyn. She died at the Red Wedding. Stoneheart is something more, like Coldhands (although he was omitted)

    The comparison between Coldhands and Stoneheart is interesting though as it throws up points between the strength of the others and the strength of R’hllor. Coldhands maintains his personality while Stoneheart does not, meaning the Other’s strength in this department is stronger, possibly throwing doubt on R’hllor’s actions.

    I think Stoneheart is important. Especially her interactions with Brienne and Pod, you see she is not the same woman anymore, although Brienne does treat as such. Which could be a mistake on her part.

  • Zoeh

    This contains SPOILERS.

    I enjoyed it in the books, i was a bit of a shocker, everyone saying that it was ridiculous aren’t thinking about the wider angle here. Stoneheart is brought back through R’llor. She is an example of R’llor’s strength. A true sign of the Red God. Dondarrion was impressive enough, but to bring someone back from the dead after several weeks, is something Dondarrion never did. The fact she loses all of her personality and becomes consumed on revenge is another important thing, it is a rebirth, she isn’t Catelyn. She died at the Red Wedding. Stoneheart is something more, like Coldhands (although he was omitted)

    The comparison between Coldhands and Stoneheart is interesting though as it throws up points between the strength of the others and the strength of R’hllor. Coldhands maintains his personality while Stoneheart does not, meaning the Other’s strength in this department is stronger, possibly throwing doubt on R’hllor’s actions.

    I think Stoneheart is important. Especially her interactions with Brienne and Pod, you see she is not the same woman anymore, although Brienne does treat as such. Which could be a mistake on her part.

  • wuuut

    I was incredibly disappointed when I first saw the final episode. But there was so much crammed into the final episode it makes sense if the writers didn’t want to add to the layers of storylines with the introduction of Lady Stonehart, particularly as the Brienne/Hound scene was given so much time to breathe which was awesome. I think they’ll reveal Lady Stonehart in episode 1 of season 5 as that season’s hook. Having read snooze-fest A Feast For Crows, there’s not a whole lot of juicy twists ready for season 5 compared to those in seasons 3/4 gifted by the brilliant A Storm of Swords…

  • wuuut

    I was incredibly disappointed when I first saw the final episode. But there was so much crammed into the final episode it makes sense if the writers didn’t want to add to the layers of storylines with the introduction of Lady Stonehart, particularly as the Brienne/Hound scene was given so much time to breathe which was awesome. I think they’ll reveal Lady Stonehart in episode 1 of season 5 as that season’s hook. Having read snooze-fest A Feast For Crows, there’s not a whole lot of juicy twists ready for season 5 compared to those in seasons 3/4 gifted by the brilliant A Storm of Swords…

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  • milo

    Late reply…

    Fairley doesn’t think she’ll be doing it. But based on how they’ve done other things on the show I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of it being a CGI character, and if that’s the case she could just be doing the voice which they could have her do long after shooting is complete. Not to mention that Stoneheart only makes a couple brief appearances in the books, it’s not like there’s a ton of her in every episode.

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