KIRK CAMERON’S SAVING CHRISTMAS Trailer Goes for Funny but Is Actually Horrifying

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Wow.  I know Kirk Cameron went deep down the rabbit hole a long time ago, but I wasn’t expecting him to suddenly think he was Judd Apatow.  But here he is with Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas (a title that works in several ways, mind you). There’s something deeply disturbing about this trailer and I can’t put my finger on it.  It could be the lack of laughs, sure.  It could also be the fact that it militantly sets out to negate some arguably very true points about Christmas.  Or maybe it’s the fact that he wonders aloud in his narration what “Seasons Greetings” or “Happy Holidays” even mean?  Is he actually confused about what those two phrases mean?

While Cameron didn’t write the film (that would be Darren Doane and Chester Hervey) or direct it (Doane again), it has his stamp all over it in more ways than one.  I don’t want to shame the guy for his religious beliefs, that’s none of my business.  I would like to call attention to the fact that this shit is just preachy and unfunny (but inadvertently supremely entertaining).  Hit the jump to check out the trailer for Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas.  The film hits theaters on November 14th. 

Here’s the official synopsis for Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas:

This Christmas, have your family join with Kirk Cameron’s family and dive headfirst into all the dancing, celebration, feasting, imagination, and traditions that glorify the true “reason for the season.” KIRK CAMERON’S SAVING CHRISTMAS is an engaging story that will leave the audience with an understanding of a biblical basis for our celebrations, and the inspiration to stand strongly against a culture that wants to trivialize and eliminate the faith elements of this holy season. So take in the splendor; take in the majesty; take in the story. Take it all in … and let’s put Christ back in Christmas! KIRK CAMERON’S SAVING CHRISTMAS is in theaters for a limited engagement beginning November 14.

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Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas Trailer




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  • sense

    thanks i needed to throw up and this did the trick

  • ThisGuy

    Oof…

    • django9000

      They could have called this “Kirk Cameron Has found His Niche”
      And somebody out there is gonna pay to see it.
      What’s that smile about? Truck stops everywhere, stockpiling stocking suffers to stick it to smug smarmy liberals society-types, & their Damned respect of religious tolerance.

  • Mike

    These same people complain when other religions put up public holiday decorations, saying “why should I be forced to have other people’s religions shoved down my throat?” Yet we don’t see any other religion’s holiday movies like Christmas movies.

    • Georce Johnson

      It’s not like Christians are demanding menorahs be stripped from the public sphere. It’s childish atheists that act like that, even though Christmas is an official federal holiday.

      • Blind_Boy_Grunt_1235

        Yeah! Who’s ever heard of a Christian just marching into someone else’s territory and destroying all of the competing religious symbols? Doesn’t happen!

      • Al

        You have every right to be pissed about events from hundreds of years ago. Because you were there and I was there. We were both alive hundreds of years ago. Yes.

      • Blind_Boy_Grunt_1235

        Don’t be silly. The idea of a man from ancient times living on into immortality is clearly ridiculous. Yes.

      • Merlin235

        You guys are so sarcastic, I honestly can’t tell who is being serious. So I think you accomplished your goal. Well done. ;)

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Really? You can’t tell? But mother always said you were the perceptive one.

      • Merlin235

        You guys are so sarcastic, I honestly can’t tell who is being serious. So I think you accomplished your goal. Well done. ;)

      • LEM

        There can be only one!

      • Blind_Boy_Grunt_1235

        Don’t be silly. The idea of a man from ancient times living on into immortality is clearly ridiculous. Yes.

      • LEM

        Ohhhhhhhhhh historical snap!

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Who believes in an invisible man in the sky that answers wishes? Yeah. It’s the atheists who are childish.

      • Mike

        Don’t forget the countless ideas of who our creator is that came before Christianity, or all the other current religions. Yep they are all wrong and just the Christians are on the right path.

      • Mike

        Don’t forget the countless ideas of who our creator is that came before Christianity, or all the other current religions. Yep they are all wrong and just the Christians are on the right path.

      • Merlin235

        I think when you make Truth about whether you are right or wrong, you get into trouble. Truth about God exists in the same manner that 2+2=4, whether one person believes it or not.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        “Truth about God exists in the same manner that 2+2=4, whether one person believes it or not.”

        How does a subjective belief exist at the same level as an objective truth like addition? Unless you mean the truth about God is that he doesn’t exist until someone can prove it like we can prove 2 + 2 = 4.

      • Merlin235

        No, I wasn’t saying God exists or doesn’t exist. I was saying Truth ABOUT God exists, regardless of who believes it. God does exist, or God does not exist. One of those is correct, regardless of your opinion on the matter.

        I disagree that a belief in God is subjective at all. To me it’s plain as day, as obvious as 2+2=4. I understand why people have a tough time with the matter. But I wasn’t comparing MY opinion on the matter to Truth. I’m saying the truth of the matter exists regardless of my opinion, whatever that truth is. ;)

      • Mike

        Gotcha. You didn’t word your initial point amazingly well. It sounded a bit like you were saying “the truth I know is absolute whether you want to believe it or not.” I see now you were also casting your own beliefs in the doubt category. Cheerio!

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        “I disagree that a belief in God is subjective at all.”

        You had me agreeing with you until that.

        Beliefs are inherently subjective. By their very definition. Some may be backed or refuted by truths or laws, but the personalized aspect of the perspective on that truth that makes it a belief is always subjective. You even support this argument when you say “To me it’s plain as day, as obvious as 2+2=4″, Of course your belief in God (or your belief that belief in God is not subjective) is as obvious as 2+2=4 to you – it’s what you believe. It is your personal and thus subjective truth.

      • Merlin235

        I’m talking about absolute truth. Opinions on truth don’t matter, it’s true no matter what you believe. Flat Earth Society can believe what they want, but the truth exists independently of their belief. It exists independently of my belief the Earth is round as well.

        I think we agree that beliefs are subjective. I’d be highly surprised if anyone’s belief on God is 100% correct.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Sorry, your language is incredibly poorly worded, but I think I understand what your intention was now with

        “I disagree that a belief in God is subjective at all.”

        What you mean is that you believe that ultimately there is an absolute truth about whether or not God exists and therefore, since that truth exists, it wouldn’t matter whether or not you believe in God because once that truth is known said god either would or wouldn’t exist and so subjective opinions on the point would be moot.

        As a counter point though, until that objective absolute truth about god’s existence is known subjective beliefs absolutely do exist as they don’t have the luxury of that objective truth to inform them.

        Subjective belief can still exist in the presence of objective truth if the people holding those beliefs remain ignorant of said truth’s existence.

      • Merlin235

        I appreciate your assumption that my language was poorly worded, as opposed to your understanding was slow. ;)

        Regardless, sounds like we’re both on the same page, even with your last statement.

      • Kondorr

        Like that reply!

      • GrimReaper07

        If a tree falls in the forest and no one’s there to hear it, does it still make a sound? Is truth relative? That’s a debate that’ll never end.

      • Merlin235

        The laws of physics are relative? If that’s the case, then the earth would likely stop revolving around the sun, because no one is watching gravity.

      • Mike

        Your truth is very different from someone else’s. Who are you to say your truth is actually 2+2=4. You say it like the truth exists whether or not you believe it. Well I believe that too but you could be wrong and someone else could be right.

      • Merlin235

        “You say it like the truth exists whether or not you believe it.”
        Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. And that’s the nature of Truth. It doesn’t need my opinion to be Truth, it exists in and of itself.

      • GrimReaper07

        I’m an atheist but there’s no need to be an asshole about other people’s beliefs.

      • Mike

        Who’s being an asshole?

      • GrimReaper07

        @johnny_bubonic:disqus’s being an asshole.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Right. Subjecting a claim to criticism = being an asshole. We should all just shut up because somebody has a belief.

      • GrimReaper07

        Criticism? How is merely calling religion childish because it has no basis in empirical science actual criticism? That sounds more like name calling if you ask me. The whole point of religion is that it cannot be proven or disproven. No one believes there’s an actual physical man sitting in the clouds controlling everything. That is merely an interpretation that artists have made of it. The fact that you don’t believe in religion doesn’t mean you have to disrespect those who do because they’re not all anti-atheists or violent nuts.

        Btw, I’m not defending @Georce Johnson or anything. It’s pretty obvious he’s being ridiculous.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Actually, basing major beliefs on things with no basis in reality is something a child would do, and, in fact, does all the time. There’s a monster under the bed? No basis in empirical science and produced largely by the child’s belief that if they can’t see an area a large monster could have inexplicably gotten there.

        Religion is just an extension of that logic. That seems like a valid criticism.

      • GrimReaper07

        Science is based off of what can be seen and experienced by the human senses. Is it really that strange to believe that there might just be things that cannot be grasped by them? Just because a child can believe in things that have no empirical basis in reality doesn’t mean that believing in them is childish.

        Consciousness itself is something that can hardly have any explanation. What is it but “energy” of sorts? What happens to that energy once the body dies? How did the Big Bang occur and just so happen to create a planet with sustainable life? Was it just random chance? What are the odds of that?

        Again, I’m an atheist. But believing in something greater than what the limited human body can grasp doesn’t seem all that strange. As long as religious beliefs don’t hurt anyone, I have no problem with them (though unfortunately they often do).

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        You kind of threw a straw man up here. My argument wasn’t that there couldn’t possibly be things that exist outside the grasp of human senses.

        My argument was that believing something exists without any proof of it beyond the human imagination (which is all religion really is) is a quality often found in children. Hence it can be considered a childish quality.

        Thus, calling religion, which believes something exists without any proof of it beyond the human imagination, childish is a reasonable and valid criticism.

        I don’t deny there aren’t completely real things we can’t yet explain, I’m simply saying a god is something for which we have no proof, and trying to assert proof of God by claiming him as the cause for phenomena we can’t yet explain is a logical fallacy.

      • GrimReaper07

        There might yet be a God of some sort that’s not how the Bible or any other book says. Point is, we don’t know. The whole point of religion is having faith. I do believe that it basically serves as a way of comforting people that there’s something after this life but I don’t think it’s naive to be religious (because the word “childish” connotes exactly that). Even if I did, I wouldn’t go around saying it because religion actually means a lot to some people. I just don’t see any point in disrespecting that unless its actually harmful.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Again, you’re casting up straw men for arguments I’m not making and you’re choosing a definition that’s contrary to the one I just defined as being my intention in my prior comment. I spelled out exactly how it could be described as childish. Not because of naivete. But because of a child’s pension for imagining things to actually exist without basing it on actual proof. I specifically said that’s how it’s “childish”.

        I’m not arguing against having faith, and in fact many sermons idealize the “faith of a child”, so it’s not actually a comparison many religions dislike either.

      • Detroit Dre

        Considering most people on earth (a majority of which are adults) believe in some type of religion believing in a god is just (if not more) adult-ish.

        And like I have done in the past, you are assuming those who believe only have their imaginations to thank, but many people claim to feel, hear and see god. Just because they cannot prove it does not mean that their experiences are imaginary. It might be improbable without proof, but not impossible. I’m sure many well excepted scientific beliefs were first “believed” by scientist before the could prove them. That’s probably what sparked their interest in finding the proof in the first place.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        “Considering most people on earth (a majority of which are adults) believe in some type of religion believing in a god is just (if not more) adult-ish.”

        You completely missed the point of that semantic argument. Good job.

        The difference between those scientific hypotheses (not beliefs, science doesn’t work that way) that people couldn’t immediately prove and the existence of God is that religion says “Hey, don’t worry if you can’t find proof, believe anyways. Proof is totally unnecessary.” Also, those people who say they’re actually hearing the voice of God are either lying or Schizophrenic. Science figured that out. Mystery solved.

        You seem to have a poor grasp of how the scientific method works if you think scientists form a conviction about a scientific law and then try to prove it. That’s not how it works. They observe a phenomenon and then try to figure out how it works mechanically/chemically/physically/etc.by testing it over and over.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        “Considering most people on earth (a majority of which are adults) believe in some type of religion believing in a god is just (if not more) adult-ish.”

        You completely missed the point of that semantic argument. Good job.

        The difference between those scientific hypotheses (not beliefs, science doesn’t work that way) that people couldn’t immediately prove and the existence of God is that religion says “Hey, don’t worry if you can’t find proof, believe anyways. Proof is totally unnecessary.” Also, those people who say they’re actually hearing the voice of God are either lying or Schizophrenic. Science figured that out. Mystery solved.

        You seem to have a poor grasp of how the scientific method works if you think scientists form a conviction about a scientific law and then try to prove it. That’s not how it works. They observe a phenomenon and then try to figure out how it works mechanically/chemically/physically/etc.by testing it over and over.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Do you honestly believe that there aren’t any religionists who literally believe that their isn’t an invisible man living in the heavens that listens to and responds to their pleas? Really? That is seriously misguided and uninformed if you do. I can tell you as a person who grew up surrounded by Southern Baptists that you are deeply mistaken on that count.

      • GrimReaper07

        You were talking about Christianity specifically, and no, they don’t. They don’t believe in a physical being that grants wishes nor do they think that Heaven is a physical place in the skies.

      • Mike

        Yes they do though. I went to church a lot as a kid and that’s basically what was taught. They said God is everywhere and that when you speak, he listens. They also say “ask and you shall receive.” How this is much different from an imaginary guy in the sky who grants wishes? And what about the other religions. Are they misguided?

        You’ve got texan Christians who don’t believe anything about climate change but are driving their busted 80′s pickups to church to pray for rain. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

      • RedMercury

        Yes, but Christmas hasn’t been a religious holiday since 1870.

  • Mike White

    Thank god for people like Kirk Cameron who can save us from those heathens who want to respect that there are non-Christians in our midst. Let’s round them up and shoot them rather than allowing them to corrupt our language with insidious phrases like “Happy Holidays.”

    • Azzam Abdur-Rahman

      Sir I hope you are joking. I really do because if not you are everything wrong with the world today.

      • Mike White

        Oh, I am *definitely* not serious in adopting the rhetoric of those lunatics.

      • mattinacan

        soo, you are crazy?

      • Mike White

        I’d like to think that I’m not. :)

      • Slade

        I’m pretty sure that’s just really strong sarcasm. I thought that it was pretty funny.

    • Merlin235

      You jumped the shark. I get where you’re going, but your sarcasm was too strong.

  • SorryNotSorry

    Wow. The worst part is that people who are dumb enough to think that “seasons greetings” is an “attack on Christmas” will pay money to see this.

    • LEM

      There was a slight uproar in the media last year about that and most likely that’s when he came up with this “brilliant” idea.

  • Strong Enough

    but did Kirk have a promising career before all of this ?

  • bojack

    All it’s missing is a Madea cameo…

  • PickinsMCpickins

    Sure it’s cheesy and all, but I don’t understand why atheists get so riled up about Christian things. No harm no foul. Seems silly to get so effected by something that “isn’t real”. Just let it go and move on

    • andi

      i think you’re missing the point. if atheists had a holiday movie, things would play out very differently…including your comment.

      t

      • PickinsMCpickens

        Atheist DO have their own holiday movie(s). Bad Santa is a good example. Black Christmas is another. Atheists own hollywood too so I don’t get your point brotha.

      • andi

        so….atheist holidays are crazy murderous sex fueled crazy days…?

        you’re young. you’re fairly stupid. I’ll give you that….

        good luck.

        a

      • PickinsMCpickins

        Hmm you’re a presumptuous little guy aren’t you? Seems like you have a lot to prove, commenting all angrily and passionate about this silly Christian stuff. Also I think you were describing a satanist holiday…it’s all good though, I don’t hate you :)

      • Mike

        You described a horror movie and a movie with almost no morals whatsoever as an Atheist’s holiday movie. It’s pretty obvious how you view Atheists.

        Atheists don’t own Hollywood. That’s ridiculous. Money owns Hollywood just like it always has. Each religion can feel free to fund whatever movie they think would be a good investment. The major studios have no reason nor should they have, to support 1 religion over another. The only reason they make Christmas movies is because they are a pretty safe bet that they will make a bit of profit.

      • PickingsMCpickins

        Ohhhh ok. Good to know from a hollywood insider, thanks :)

      • Mike

        Well formed response. Your debate and logic skills are astounding.

      • Merlin235

        I don’t think he meant so much that Athiests support those values as much as he meant those movies are not about Jesus Christ. But maybe I misread him.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Right but a movie not being about Jesus doesn’t inherently make it Atheist, it just makes it secular. For it to be Atheist it has to have a distinct theme or message that there is no God. Comedies about immorality or horror have no innate religious or irreligious bent. They’re just movies until overt dialogue or themes incite people to perceive them as having a set agenda.

      • LEM
      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Coming from a vampire villain in a horror movie? I don’t know if that idea can be ascribed to the entire film. It’s certainly an atheistic character, but vampires are usually portrayed in an an anti-christ fashion anyway. Lines like that usually come from the villains in movies, outright atheism is usually a characteristic of villains and thus technically contrary to the film’s overarching message.

      • LEM

        Great answer to my sarcastic BS.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Hahaha, over thought it a bit.

      • Merlin235

        I don’t disagree. His statement was worded well.

      • AmusedGuest

        Boop :)

      • Mike

        He could easily have almost chosen any Shane Black film, as they all take place around Christmas yet don’t have anything to with the religion aspects.

      • Al

        I mean yeah, some assholes would be offended by it. But thats why we call them assholes. Live and let live.

      • Dani C

        Why are you offended though? You ok?

      • Al

        erm, what? No…..

      • Al

        I mean yeah, some assholes would be offended by it. But thats why we call them assholes. Live and let live.

    • Nope

      Probably because , like most humans, they don’t enjoy having ideals that go against their own belief system vehemently shoved down their throats in every media imaginable .

      And this extends beyond atheists, and into other religions. I still remember how upset my Jewish friend was that he was forced to participate in festivities that went against the grains of what he was taught. Overall , not enjoyable.

      Is it really that hard of a concept to grasp?

      • PickinsMCpickens

        Who’s shoving anything down anyone’s throat though…by e way I’m pretty sure you are just andi with a different username. Peace love and chicken grub

    • Mike White

      Having Christianity shoved down your throat gets kind of old after a while.

      • PickinsMCpickins

        I’m sure it is, but no one ever shoved it down my throat so I can’t relate. I’m a secular guy who believes that there is a higher being but that we have never truly been told the straight truth. But again, I was never kidnapped and forced to sit through a church service like so many people apparently have been who are commenting here.

        It’s entertaining how many comments this trailer is getting, seriously!

  • http://3i.tumblr.com/ 3i

    Someone is easily horrified.

  • clearthinker

    “Season’s Greetings” or “Happy Holidays” is not an attack on Christmas, it’s a way of not acknowledging the reason for the celebration. It is a Christian celebration that’s enjoyed by everyone. Thanksgiving is called Turkey Day. A large percentage of Americans don’t know or understand the historical significance of the celebration.

    Not calling the holidays their original names is an indication of this society slowly becoming dumber.

    • Nice try….

      Or maybe it’s a way to avoid monopolizing an entire season with themes and ideals that aren’t universally accepted

      • Merlin235

        You’re trying to avoid monopolizing ‘Good Will Toward Men’? I’m failing to see the harm there.

      • Mike

        Trying to monopolize it with Jesus Christ standing right there. Which everyone who isn’t Christian, doesn’t want. Put a nativity scene on your lawn if you wanna be a show off Christian. Just stop it with the “this is our holiday” BS. Do some research about where Christmas comes from.

      • Merlin235

        Using that argument to disavow the association between Christmas and Jesus Christ is like saying you can’t celebrate your birthday because someone else before you were born had a birthday on the same date. I’m well aware of the history of the holiday, but friend, it’s name CHRISTmas. It’s difficult to to take the disassociation too seriously.

    • Daniel O’Reilly

      I always considered “Season’s Greetings” or Happy Holidays” a way of including all the holidays that occur during the holiday season, and it’s in that sense I would use them. if, however, I meant Christmas specifically, that’s the word I would use.

    • Daniel O’Reilly

      I always considered “Season’s Greetings” or Happy Holidays” a way of including all the holidays that occur during the holiday season, and it’s in that sense I would use them. if, however, I meant Christmas specifically, that’s the word I would use.

  • lavaca

    It’s okay God, we know he’s doing it wrong.

  • Fran

    Ohhh Evan, does Kirk’s belief system bother you that much? Good. I think YOUR head is in the “something from nothing” rabbit hole.

    • andi

      Fran, relax. If you stay in your cubic foot life, you’ll serve a perfect cubic foot existence. you’re safe now. no worries, darling.

      andi

    • SorryNotSorry

      Fran, sit down. You seem stupid.

    • SorryNotSorry

      Fran, sit down. You seem stupid.

    • Farmer rom com

      Fran stand up you are fine. Other ppl here are really touchy about Christians I guess though. Not sure why the hostility though.

      • Um Sure

        Sanctimony, judgment, and a tendency to proclaim “You’re going to hell if you don’t believe what I believe” tends to make non-Christians touchy.

        Go figure.

      • Mike

        He started with the hostility by patronizing Evan. Someone else stood up for Evan’s beliefs by telling Fran to sit down. Self defense bro

      • Farmer rom com

        Quote the part where I was hostile, Mike. Cause I forget where I injected it…

  • Elisa

    I really am not interested in the message or religious themes….I am horrified solely based on the terrible trailer and the prospect of a movie that wants us to “spend time with” Kirk Cameron’s family. And the dancing. That was pretty bad too.

  • eternalozzie

    no dinosaurs or robots … i’m out … i will wait for Michael Bay Saves X-mas

    • straight arrow

      You know what?? … that’s not a bad idea, I’m anti-Bay n all but if its a comedy, I would pay to see that!

    • straight arrow

      You know what?? … that’s not a bad idea, I’m anti-Bay n all but if its a comedy, I would pay to see that!

  • Pinbacker

    Pssst…it’s coming out in theaters in November so they can put it out on DVD by December. CHAAA-CHING! Kirk Cameron and co. will be rolling in the holiday DVD sales this Christmas season!

  • CaptainCarl

    Yikes, that was… embarrassing.

  • http://screenfury.com/ Jeff Rosz

    That poster is Unstoppable.

  • Evandest

    One of the worst trailer in a long time. I would not see that movie even for free…

  • God’s Diamond

    I was expecting Christmas to be the bigger part of the title and not saving.

    • TJ

      For us Christians many parts of the holidays have become sterilized, greetings are an example. I’d much prefer to exit a store with a “Happy Hanakkuh” than the generic “Happy Holidays”. It’s lazy, and our culture is very much commercialized. Some malls have the “Spring Bunny” for Easter as example.

      • SorryNotSorry

        PLEASE be kidding. Cuz if you’re sincere, I’m losing a ton of faith in humanity.

      • Mike

        Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and Happy Kwanza! Just in case you celebrate one if those!

  • Jamie Teller

    Kirk Cameron is a troll. A very, very, very dedicated troll. Right up there with Alex Jones.

    • TJ

      Pot calling kettle…

      • Jamie Teller

        I’m not entirely joking.

    • Al

      Andy Kaufman, Kirk Cameron, and Eric Holder all went to the same comedy school.

      • straight arrow

        Hey hey woa buddy, say what you will bout Cameron but leave Kaufman out of this…

      • Al

        I was going off of the joke that Cameron is an elaborate character secretly portrayed by someone else. It was a joke dude. Kaufman is a genius.

  • TJ

    Looks like something I’ll enjoy. There’s room for everyone’s beliefs, and non-beliefs with a little respect. Merry Christmas indeed!

    • Mike

      Not in a movie that outwardly sides with 1 side and is pretty angry at the people who have tried to take the Christmas tradition and adapt it to their own beliefs. Happy Holiday!

  • MJ

    Why can’t this loser just fade away from public awareness?

    • Justsayin

      He’s apparently still relevant enough to piss you off. So there’s that.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        You think that’s pissed off? That’s disdain, not much else. Is earning disdain a measure of social relevance?

      • Justsayin

        “relevant,” means “important to the matter at hand.” Artists and politicians are always worried about their relevance.

        Yeah. Literally it does make Kirky boy relevant, especially with all the comments his trailer is getting. C’mon we live I the same world as the Kardashian’s don’t we?!

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Again, people expressing disdain (90% of these comments) for Cameron does not equate to relevance. All that is shows us is that people can’t believe he’s still desperately trying to be relevant that he’s now parroting Fox News talking points like “Oh my, people are substituting ‘Holiday’ for ‘Christmas’!” Hence his lack of relevance, because he’s not important, and especially not to any matter at hand.

      • Justsayin

        And again relevant means important to the matter at hand. The matter at hand is Kirk Cameron’s trailer. It’s important enough for you to comment. A comment is all that was needed to make him relevant at this very moment.

        Your next comment will verify what I just said even further brother man.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Your logic fails you. Comments about how irrelevant Kirk Cameron is on a trailer for his movie does not make him relevant. Seriously, horribly bad logic on your part. And no, in this question, relevant is being used to mean “relevant to the larger world and conversation on religion”. That’s the context of most of these comments.

      • Justsayin

        Definetly your own un explained logic that fails you Lex. Gotta go to work now, you go ahead and do your bot thing. Makes no difference to me. But yeah you are totally bad at Proving your rather pointless point.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Again, you’ve narrowed the definition of relevant from the initial use to fit one that works for your argument but which is also incorrect given the context. Nice try though.

      • AmusedGuest

        I don’t know dude, seems like you are the one who filters everything to fit your narrow view. You don’t see that? Come onnnnn

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        The conversation started under the context of “social relevance” which he then narrowed to be “relevance to this trailer”. Hence, he changed the parameters of the debate to make his invalid point valid.

      • AmusedGuest

        Yeah but this is a blog site which includes a comment section for social commentary of which you are participating in. So his point isn’t really invalid.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        So your argument is the circular logic fallacy of because we’re talking about his lack of overarching social relevance he’s then relevant? Sorry. Logic fail. That’s like saying because we’ve discussed that dinosaurs aren’t a pertinent danger to lions in Africa they’re a relevant topic in the conversation about pertinent dangers to lions in Africa.

      • AmusedGuest

        I know you really want to be right but you will only be right in your own world because you refuse to fully read and digest what others put forth on this social commentary section.

        However you must realize it’s you who is taking the time to come to this particular blog and socially comment on a specific topic that you find relevant. After all, Kirk Cameron makes you feel something. Maybe negative yes, but he makes you feel something. That’s all an artist can really ask for so I guess he’s won. Go figure. Peace.

        By the way I envy how much time you have to comment all day long.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        So you’re sticking with your circular logic fallacy then? That’s how you lose arguments.

      • AmusedGuest

        I didn’t lose though since you practice the same “logic”. Oh shit I may have even won! This is glorious news!!

      • AmusedGuest

        It’s too easy to goad you! Hehaho ))))

      • AmusedGuest

        It’s been a pleasure winning this oh so important debate. You got disqualified early for not making any logical sense though. Comment!

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Aw, you’re still trying to troll.

        (sad trombone)

      • AmusedGuest

        Not “trying”…DOING! I already won so the only thing to do now is have more fun. Hehe lets do this all day like the sad nerds we both are :)))))

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        woooomp wooomp

      • AmusedGuest

        Speed Dee bee deep doooosh! Bad ah boom boom badah!
        (Happy Drums) :)

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        woomp woomp

      • AmusedGuest

        Badump dah

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp womp

      • AmusedGuest

        Moop :( you’re kinda boring

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp…womp

      • AmusedGuest

        Moop :)

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp..womp

      • AmusedGuest

        Hoop :)

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp_womp

      • AmusedGuest

        Shwing!This is kinda sexy! Pls don’t stop flirting with me :))))

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp^womp

      • AmusedGuest

        Gotta go for now loverboy! Pls don’t stop :))) ok I’ll talk to you later tonight…I love you ;)

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp…..womp

      • AmusedGuest

        Oh fuck, how can I leave you when you are so vivaciously seductive to me :) answer back with anything if you love me back! ;p

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        womp__womp

      • Kyle Chandler

        Since when does anything on the internet need to be relevant or important for people to comment on it? Most of us are probably just killing time at work until we get to go home, and a story about a ridiculous moron championing against an imagined slight against christmas while exposing himself as a talentless hack is a distraction. Nothing more.

      • Collidingwithya

        I think justsayin is basing relevance on the dictionary definition of relevance. How weird of him. You and Lex are obviously the more astute and knowledgeable ones with your more up to date definition. Can you send me the new version of the dictionary you are reading from? Also…are you guys the same person with two different usernames?

      • Kyle Chandler

        As proud owners of dictionaries, I’m sure you’re aware of the differences between connotative and denotative meanings, and that the admirable flexibility of our language is due to the imprecision of meanings.

        You commented on my comment, does that make me relevant or important? As flattered as I am…no, it does not.

      • Collidingwithya

        Kyle, give yourself some credit. I do find you relevant right now at this very moment, mate! Otherwise I wouldn’t take the time to reply. Smile :)

  • Al

    But if Kirk Cameron is unfunny, then he’s not the unfunny Christian Judd Apatow. Hes just the Christian Judd Apatow.

  • liquid

    WWWEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwoooooooo SPLAT! You smell that bullshit?

  • TJ

    Just read the article description at the top of the site. This may be the only time I’ve seen an opinion in the description box atop. I’ve loved Collider for many years despite Steve and Matt’s liberal an insensitive comments (Matt’s “Happy Zombie Jesus Day” comment a couple years ago). It saddens me to say this but I may have to move on. Such low tolerance from the “tolerant”…

    • LoveyDove27

      Kind of have to agree…some people love to be tolerant on such a convenient basis. By the way it feels like Evan is just Matt under a different alias due to all the hate.

    • LoveyDove27

      Kind of have to agree…some people love to be tolerant on such a convenient basis. By the way it feels like Evan is just Matt under a different alias due to all the hate.

    • mattinacan

      this is a blog not a straight movie news site. don’t like the opinions? take yourself to another site, bye.

    • Madison

      You apparently don’t understand how the Internet works. It’s their blog. It can reflect their belief system and is not beholden to respect yours. Don’t like it? Find another site to frequent.

      I hope this little refresher course on how the Internet works was helpful. You’re welcome.

    • SorryNotSorry

      See ya, Jesus freak.

    • Kyle Chandler

      The hell you say? Collider includes commentary in TONS of description boxes. And regardless of the “intolerance scale” you’re using, christians are always going to win the intolerance medal in this country.

  • TJ

    Just read the article description at the top of the site. This may be the only time I’ve seen an opinion in the description box atop. I’ve loved Collider for many years despite Steve and Matt’s liberal an insensitive comments (Matt’s “Happy Zombie Jesus Day” comment a couple years ago). It saddens me to say this but I may have to move on. Such low tolerance from the “tolerant”…

  • Daniel O’Reilly

    It looks like a mess. I think Kirk and co. had good intentions. It’s too bad nobody involved in the project had the talent to back them up.

  • Daniel O’Reilly

    It looks like a mess. I think Kirk and co. had good intentions. It’s too bad nobody involved in the project had the talent to back them up.

  • Merlin235

    Collider is in desperate need of a blogger that understands religious people. I love this site because I love movies, but every time something comes out with religious overtones the author completely misses the point and manages to offend large swaths of people.

    “I don’t want to shame the guy for his religious beliefs.” Not possible, he’s entirely unashamed of his religious beliefs. That’ why he holds those beliefs.

    Do you really not get the sarcasm in Cameron playfully saying about ‘Seasons Greetings’, “What does that mean anyway?” It’s like exchanging “Happy Birthday” with “Holiday of Happiness”. It’s not that no one understands you, it’s just why do it?

    I understand it’s not possible for Collider to sympathize everyone’s viewpoint because our views are shaped by our life experiences, and our life experiences are all different. But when it comes to religious films (or films based on religious themes), reading Collider is really uncomfortable. It’s really weird watching people mock something they don’t even understand. Like a ignorant person who doesn’t know he’s ignorant. We’re all ignorant of certain things, but Collider seems to be blissfully unaware of its own ignorance.

    • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

      That logic doesn’t work. Substituting something else for Happy birthday doesn’t make sense because “birthday” is universal, not specific to a single belief system. Everyone is born. On a day. Everyone has a birthday. No one is excluded by saying happy birthday.

      By contrast, “Merry Christmas” in a public place is exclusionary. We live in a world with multiple religions living side by side and so to recognize the religion of one major subsection of the population and not another is to simultaneously show favoritism and ignorance to that truth of a mixed population. If a store wants to include all of those messages, “Merry Christmas”, “Happy Hanukkah”, “Happy Kwanzaa”, etc. go for it, but “Happy Holidays” let’s them address all three (and more). It’s the same impact with less signage/clutter.

      There’s a reason Merry Christmas has been usurped by those more universal phrases. It’s not to lessen Christmas, but to give equal recognition for equally deserving celebrations of other religions.

      • margin walker

        lex just schooled you, son. Believe what you want to believe. i care not. most religious people i know are simply upset because they [and i can see their point] are now being “less visible” with say a ‘happy holidays’ versus the christian-dominant ‘merry christmas’. hey guys, 2000+ years at the top ain’t a bad run. and look, you can still pray and chant as you want, but just keep it to yourselves.

      • Madison

        Perfect answer.

      • Merlin235

        In my entire post, that’s the point you latched on to? ;)

        It’s not the perfect analogy. To the religious, however, it has the same effect.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        It’s not a perfect analogy because it’s a poor one. And no, it doesn’t have the same rationale/effect to the religious.

        I latched on to that point because it was you attempting to underline the author of this article’s ignorance of how the religious view their beliefs/public perception, but you did so with an analogy that shows you yourself don’t understand both the rationale for a phrase like “Happy Holidays” or “Season’s Greetings” and, just as likely, the author’s own interpretation of the trailer.

        That point then drove your assertion that the author was writing about religion despite not being a religious person himself – a point you could not have gleaned from the content of this article.

      • Merlin235

        Blah blah blah.

        Sorry, this could go on for ever. Agree to disagree on this point. I’ll concede I don’t understand every view point. So thanks for proving my point in your second paragraph.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Wow, if you think that proved your point then you were not equipped for a logical debate.

      • Merlin235

        Interesting. You believe in subjective truth, but non-subjective logic.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Nothing in my argument suggests a disbelief in non-subjective logic (aka objective logic aka logic)

      • Mike

        You really do have absolutely no idea how to look at someone’s point and then address what you don’t agree with, using evidence to support it.

      • Merlin235

        ok.

      • AmusedGuest

        Koop :)

    • mattinacan

      i hope they continue to ignore the religious

    • SorryNotSorry

      No, this movie looks like garbage and you’re acting like a whiney piss-ant.

      • Merlin235

        Ha, the movie DOES look bad. I think we’re in agreement on that point. But my opinion stands, Collider generally reacts confused when confronted with religious issues. At least as it appears to me.

    • Kyle Chandler

      Reading about religious films should be uncomfortable because those films are uncomfortable. This one, for example, DEMANDS that we respect kirk cameron’s views on christmas while attempting to play the victim by saying that people are ruining the holiday season by making it more inclusive.

      So yeah, it is impossible for rational people, religious or not, to talk about these types of films without making them sounds ridiculous.

      • Merlin235

        I think you’re right on 90% of what you say. The only thing I disagree with is I don’t think his film demands anything from anyone. I think there is a narrow audience this film is marketed at. The ones the narration direct with “do you feel like Christmas is being hijacked” or whatever it was. If you agree, this movie is for you. If not, you might prefer something else.

  • Merlin235

    Collider is in desperate need of a blogger that understands religious people. I love this site because I love movies, but every time something comes out with religious overtones the author completely misses the point and manages to offend large swaths of people.

    “I don’t want to shame the guy for his religious beliefs.” Not possible, he’s entirely unashamed of his religious beliefs. That’ why he holds those beliefs.

    Do you really not get the sarcasm in Cameron playfully saying about ‘Seasons Greetings’, “What does that mean anyway?” It’s like exchanging “Happy Birthday” with “Holiday of Happiness”. It’s not that no one understands you, it’s just why do it?

    I understand it’s not possible for Collider to sympathize everyone’s viewpoint because our views are shaped by our life experiences, and our life experiences are all different. But when it comes to religious films (or films based on religious themes), reading Collider is really uncomfortable. It’s really weird watching people mock something they don’t even understand. Like a ignorant person who doesn’t know he’s ignorant. We’re all ignorant of certain things, but Collider seems to be blissfully unaware of its own ignorance.

  • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

    Oh, God…

  • LEM
  • Colin Christian

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Let’s ignore all facts and pretend! Yay! So sad.

  • whatnow

    This trailer is more like one of those spoof videos made by late night talk shows in order to mock people like kirk cameron

    • Kyle Chandler

      I just know that Kimmel is behind this somehow!

  • Billygabe

    The guy in the car with Cameron was totally right when he was ticking off all the reasons why Christmas is really kind of bogus. But I’m sure they will address those facts with myths.

  • Billygabe

    Hey Cameron, here’s the true history of Christmas, http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

  • Bomtronathon

    Hi! I’m an actual practicing Christian. I won’t be seeing this.

  • T_Toughnuts

    Automatic 50 million dollars…PURE PROFIT! Now…THAT is the Captialist…err…CHRISTIAN way!

  • Alboone

    There are no words.

  • mattinacan

    what a weirdo. as a happy atheist i’ll never understand religious nuts like him.

  • KHW5

    YUK

  • Mixed race rich kid NYC

    This is a movie?
    With a first act followed by a conflict that gets resolved in the third act?
    I’ll see it because I’m a big fan of Kirk Cameron but that trailer was bad

  • GrimReaper07

    I have no idea who Kirk Cameron is but this is one of the worst trailers I’ve ever seen.

    • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

      Kirk Cameron is from Growing Pains. He played the son Mike.

  • saturday_night_hype

    Look, I don’t begrudge anyone their beliefs and I don’t have anything against Christmas, or not-Christmas, or any holiday really (I grew up non-religious, which I consider a free pass to enjoy the presents, food, and booze all holidays have to offer), but can we all agree that Christianity pretty much picked the WORST people to do their PR?

  • Norrtron

    Why is Kirk Cameron about to hit me with a candy cane in that poster? That’s not very Christian.

    • Kyle Chandler

      He’s gonna beat the ever lovin’ heathen out of you, son!

  • Yurine

    I would rather stay home than go spend Christmas with Kirk Cameron.

    • Kyle Chandler

      I’d rather hand out christmas wreaths to ISIS wearing an american flag t-shit.

  • Tiesoul

    Cam has been on the right track since the left behind series.Totally right that Christmas is celebrated for the wrong reasons.JESUS isn’t looked at as the reason,Stories and companies see Christmas as a pay day.True JESUS wasn’t born on the 25th of December.Still the idea was stolen.It’s a long story but the reason is still about JESUS.Which I’m a believer.

    • SorryNotSorry

      You can keep using caps lock for JESUS but it won’t make him any less FICTIONAL.

      • Tiesoul

        JESUS as I typed he’s name is the one who conqueror the one who inspired you to typed this lie(which is the enemy named satan), and he’s not fictional! In fact he has been trying to introduce himself to you but if you don’t want to know him that’s your problem.And your name sake SorryNotSorry will come true.And I’m NOT sorry I typed he’s name with ALL CAPS!

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        He introduced himself to me at a speed dating event I went to a month back, but he was incredibly bland. He just didn’t come across well. Also, I’m not a necrophile, so he was immediately a no-go for me.

      • Guest

        Just as I to the other person……Your problem.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        Jesus’s problem really. He hasn’t got much personality.

      • SorryNotSorry

        Yikes. You must be fun at parties.

      • Tiesoul

        You have no idea.

      • Kyle Chandler

        How has he been trying to introduce himself? Muffin basket? Margarita mixer with the neighbors? J-date “wink”?

      • Tiesoul

        Do worry about cause if he did, you’d miss it.

      • Tiesoul

        Here’s how he’s introduced himself pick up a bible and go to John 17:1-26.

    • Kyle Chandler

      The idiot character in his own idiotic movie even points out that the christians hijacked christmas from the pagans, so you’ll excuse rational people from coming to their defense when they claim “their” christmas is under attack.

      Also, this movie is clearly not railing against the rampant consumerism of christmas (they have money-shots of lavish feasts and presents). Rather, they’re railing against people that are trying to make the holidays more inclusive by including more non-christian themes into the holidays. Something tells me that OMGCAPSLOCKJESUS wouldn’t be opposed to more people coming together and sharing something, even if it is just called the “holidays”.

      • Tiesoul

        It’s sad how you and SorryNotSorry are only focused on the ALL CAPS instead of the focus being on what JESUS is all about.Even with the hijack you mentioned,even if Christmas wasn’t around JESUS was sent to earth for one reason to take sin onto himself and off of mankind and anyone who accepts him is saved and redeemed back to GOD THE FATHER and receive the HOLY SPIRIT.I use ALL CAPS when typing their names because everything that we battle in everyday life has been defeated through him.Make mockery all you want.It would be cool if you would accept him and get to know him yourself but if not then its your choice.

  • Chachi

    Wow! Someone actually funded this.

  • Brandon

    I’m a Christian and a Christmas nut and sometimes agree with Kirk Cameron, but I have to agree that this is definitely interesting. I’m not really sure what the point he’s trying to make is. Is he saying that Christmas isn’t Christmas? Very confusing and weird trailer indeed.

    • NM2000

      It sounds like he’s jumping on the “WAR ON CHRISTMAS” bandwagon that Bill O’Rielly and other over-reactionary whackjobs insist is being waged against them and their Constitutional rights every time a pimply-face, teenage, seasonal CVS clerk says “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas.”

  • http://colormebacon.com/ Nick Sears
  • ACallCreative

    They’ve been making these religiously-infused Christmas movies for decades. I’m not sure why you’re so surprised…

  • Kyle Chandler

    In 2000 years, a young and noble Scientologist will have to defend the true meaning of Xenu-mas from the forces that seek to trivialize and eliminate the OT level-increasing spirit of the season.

    • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

      Glory be to Xenu in the highest!

  • Ozweego

    Religion isn’t whats wrong with Xmas, it’s whats wrong with everything.

  • Bonestoboner

    Wow…183 comments. This guy is more relevant than I thought.

    • Kyle Chandler

      Or a lot of people are bored at work and tired of reading about all the insane shit going on this summer. I want to look forward to the crazy and horrible shit still to come!

  • appolox

    Um. What is this? I don’t quite get what they’re going for?

  • 97point6

    Not exactly Christ driving out the money lenders, is it?

  • He

    The Ending
    INT. NUCLEAR POWER PLANT – NIGHT

    Kirk and his friends are chasing after the evil Hamish Greenbergstienowitz to stop him from destroy Christmas. Greenbergsteinowitz makes it the operations room.

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ: You chozzers gotta a lotta chutzpah, but it’s over. I win. Goodbye Christmas.

    KIRK: Please, stop. Just ask yourself, what would Jesus do?

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ: (Condescendingly) Oh, I don’t know. probably get CRUCIFIED!!!

    Greenbergsteinowitz begins laughing manically. His mother appears out of nowhere.

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ’S MOM: Hamish dear, did you do it yet?

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ: No mom, not yet, but I’m about to.

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ’S MOM: Well hurry up. Also, have you talked to Ruth Goldsplat yet? She just got back from school. Very appropriate girl.

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ: No mom!

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ’S MOM: Oh, well excuse for acting meshuggenah for wanting some grandbabies before I die!
    She storms out.

    GREENBERGSTEINOWITZ: Oy!
    Greenbergsteinowitz reaches to press a button, but a bolt of lightening strikes him down, vaporizing him.
    BONER: Holy crap man, what just happened.
    KIRK: Oh my gosh! JESUS HAS SAVED US AGAIN!!!!!!!!
    Everybody starts cheering. All of Kirk’s family and friends appear out of nowhere. Confetti and balloons fall from the sky as everyone celebrate. Kirk steps away from his family to hop into a F-16 jet. He flies high into the sky, and finally hits the top. There he sees Jesus in a hammock, being fanned by Marilyn Monroe and Cleopatra. Jesus sees Kirk, and flashes him a thumbs-up. Kirk salutes back, then flies away.
    THE END.

  • Mike Smith

    Black preacher trope? Check. Or can I get an Amen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chrisstarscream Chris Starscream

    ,so maybe it’s just me, but it seems like a trailer shelving Kirk Cameron as a religious fanatic set on murdering athiest christmas shoppers in serial killer fashion. personally that sounds like a way cooler movie.I feel inclined to begin writing a script for such a film

  • Colin Christian

    They should make a movie about a 6000 year old earth too,I know the Babylonians were busy making glue around that time,but why let that kind of thing get in the way? I want to see Jesus riding a dinosaur! Or was it his grandfather that did that? Things can get pretty confusing when they are made up on the spot.

  • winston16s

    I’m a Jew and could care less about Christmas being everywhere. Religion shouldn’t be tit-for-tat. You want a Christmas tree and Santa in the mall? Go for it. I also don’t mind if Hanukkah decorations are not present. Seriously, who cares?

    Oh! It’s the atheists who care! The people who believe in nothing, seem to believe that no one else should be entitled to their own religion. I call these people FART SNIFFERS. They are so above anyone else, they just think everyone else is dumb. They love themselves so much they enjoy sniffing their own excrement. It’s like PETA or Vegans, they have to shame everyone that isn’t as “smart” as them. Instead they have to ruin it for everyone because in reality they are scared, lonely and immature.

    PS – This movie has already won the Razzie award.

    • Kaine Morrison

      Muslims too…

      • winston16s

        Muslims too what?

      • Jonas Planck

        Muslims won the Razzie. Did you see it? That movie was terrible. You could tell by the poster, all these shadowy, sneering dudes in turbans with “MUSLIMS” scrawled across the top in blood, and underneath it said, “This time, the war ISN’T holy!”

      • winston16s

        Guessing this is just an attempt at a really bad joke.

      • Jonas Planck

        Then I guess it has something in common with EVERY SINGLE THING ON THIS PAGE, doesn’t it?

      • winston16s

        Yes, that is true. I looked for a movie called Muslims and found nothing, so I was assuming it was just a bad joke.

    • NM2000

      I’m an atheist and I could care less about Christmas being everywhere so your theory doesn’t hold water. I also don’t mind if Hanukkah decorations are present or not. I find it all rather festive and fun and do a lot of decorating myself–mostly secular, but with a cross-representation of other ideas (I have an angel tree topper and a Dreidel for the kids).

      What I DO mind is the presentation of religious expressions in governmental spaces (like courthouses or city halls)–at least to the detriment, determent, or in exclusion of equal access for other religious expressions.

      You own a shopping mall? Have at it. Put up trees, menorahs, crosses, angels, quanza lights, whatever. You have a home or business or church? Decorate away! But you work in a building expressly meant to serve all members of the public equally and allow one religious decoration but not another, or put up a religious display that suggests undue, unequal influence over the policies set there? Then I have an issue. When you say the city hall can have a manger scene, but NOT a menorah despite citizen requests for one, that is a problem. Best to keep all displays of religion out of governmental spaces, but when they do occur it has to be an all or nothing approach. That’s it. Everything else about Christmas is generally fun and not something the vast majority of atheists care or get worked up about at all.

      The people who care are the Christians who feel so offended that someone might dare utter the phrase “Happy Holidays” to a stranger instead of Merry Christmas that they felt the need to make a movie about how that constitutes a war on their religious expression and how they have to put Christ back in Christmas before, god-forbid, a Target employee asks if they need any help in the electronics department while wearing a Santa hat in the Jesus-unfriendly colors of the Dallas Cowboys, making mockery of the whole season.
      They’re the ones who seem to overly care what other people do.

      • winston16s

        My theory doesn’t hold water? Then why are the only groups that open lawsuits and judgements against people and companies that use Holiday decor atheist groups? What about the atheist groups that want to get rid of crosses marking the graves of the departed? Of course not EVERY atheist feels this way, but who are the people raising such a fuss? Come on now…

      • NM2000

        For one thing, they aren’t.
        There was a case recently where a Jewish group filed to put up a Menorah after being denied and one rabbi, Leah Richman, was threatened (by good Christians) a few years back for demanding her town (Pottsville, Pa) remove a nativity scene from government land. In Montreal, the suburb of Mount Royal took down their nativity scene in 2011 rather than allow Muslims to put up Islamic holiday iconography up alongside it. The fact is that many groups have filed suits against government-supported religious displays. I know you want to make up your own narrative, but that’s simply not how reality works.

        I’d also like for you to cite one case for me where an atheist group sued a company for their displays rather than a government or municipality.

        And I’ll admit that AN atheist sued over some memorial crosses, and I called them idiots for it at the time. If you want to paint all atheists with that brush, that’s fair. It just means I’m justified to paint all Christians with the Westboro Baptist Church’s sins, too.

        And again, the people raising a fuss are the ones making movies over Target putting up a Season’s Greetings sign because it is “offensive NOT to call it Christmas.” It is the AFA calling for weekly boycotts of everyone from Gap to SEars for not including Christmas enough in their advertising. They can’t abide a company trying to be inclusive. They even claimed in 2008 that Home Depot’s website made “not one” mention of Christmas even though it did and it just wasn’t “prominent enough” for them. They’re already getting their way in most places so they aren’t “raising a fuss” when they are winning. What’s there to raise a fuss about when you are allowed to put up your nativity scene on the courthouse lawn? But they’ll collect 700,000 signatures to boycott Target for trying to be inclusive to other seasonal shoppers. That’s a fuss.

      • winston16s

        You have way too much time on your hands. Put all your efforts into something positive for God’s sake. Oh wait, there is no God, right?

      • NM2000

        So you insult me when I point out you are wrong. Well played.

      • winston16s

        I was simply to busy to read the short story you wrote. Not sure if you pointed out anything as I didn’t take the time to read it…

      • winston16s

        Just seems like you let things bother you for no reason. Who cares what others think and feel? Do you take off the government holidays from work? Do you complain when your boss says you can’t come to work on December 24th and 25th?

      • NM2000

        No reason? You really don’t see why some people wouldn’t want expressed religious displays on their way into court? Especially those with no allowed counter view? And what do government holidays have to do with anything? I’d take Diwali off if they gave it to me. Oh, that’s right, the government doesn’t accord the same level of benevolence to the holidays of other religions…

      • winston16s

        Well, since around 90% of the people in the US celebrate Christmas, it’s understandable why it’s everywhere. Should people not place Thanksgiving or Halloween decorations as well? The point about the government holidays falls into this. 90% of people celebrate these holidays, therefore they become federal holidays. The two or three people in government who don’t celebrate Christmas understand this, just as I do. By the same token, I need to ask for Yom Kippur off, but every boss I’ve had has understood. If they wouldn’t allow me to celebrate my religion, then that would be an issue. But someone like you looks at it differently, if people don’t see things your way, you fight it.

      • NM2000

        I actually have no problem with Christmas being taken off so long as I am not made to celebrate it in a religious way. If they want to cancel work, that’s fine. I do celebrate it, for the record, I just don’t get my underwear in a twist when someone says Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas and I don’t pretend it isn’t a privileged position to be in that many other holidays don’t share.

  • Alex Hajna

    It looks like it was made by a 2nd-year film student. The production quality is horrible! The sound, the cinematography, the composition of the shots, the editing, the voice-over… everything seems so amateur, it’s ridiculous.

  • Tim

    Just go to screenrant.

  • Jonas Planck

    You’d think that a group of people who believe that being gay is an “abomination” would try to shy away from creating what appears to be the gayest thing in the history of the universe, but nope… They did it.

  • Doug

    Wow, Christians sure do have it bad in this country.

    Oh, wait, no they don’t.

    • NM2000

      What do you mean they don’t? Are you aware that professed Christians only hold 98% of all national-level offices and governorships? That means that a full 2% of senators, representatives, and governors ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. How can they be expected to survive as a culture, a people, a tradition, in such an oppressive system where up to 2% of all national debate can be started by non-Christians?

    • NM2000

      What do you mean they don’t? Are you aware that professed Christians only hold 98% of all national-level offices and governorships? That means that a full 2% of senators, representatives, and governors ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. How can they be expected to survive as a culture, a people, a tradition, in such an oppressive system where up to 2% of all national debate can be started by non-Christians?

      • Kaine Morrison

        Doug is saying that Christians do not have it bad.

      • Kaine Morrison

        Doug is saying that Christians do not have it bad.

  • NM2000

    Does Kirk Cameron really not know what Season’s Greetings means? Is he trying to be funny or is he honestly unable to grasp what a simple phrase means or why some people might use it? I can’t tell any longer.

    • Kaine Morrison

      I agree, seasons don’t need to greet you, or you them, it is the Holidays… It should be “Holiday Greetings to you” if it is going to be anything other than “Merry Christmas to you”

    • Kaine Morrison

      I agree, seasons don’t need to greet you, or you them, it is the Holidays… It should be “Holiday Greetings to you” if it is going to be anything other than “Merry Christmas to you”

      • Kaine Morrison

        *greet

      • Kaine Morrison

        *greet

  • metalbreath

    ” I don’t want to shame the guy for his religious beliefs, that’s none of my business.”
    If someone whips out their religion and shoves it in your face, then it is perfectly reasonable to shame them for it

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