Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige Talks DAREDEVIL and THE PUNISHER; “We’re Trying to Figure out What to Do”

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Marvel has already locked Phase Two, but other than Ant-Man, Phase Three is wide open.  Furthermore, the powerhouse studio now has two major characters back in their stable.  Daredevil and The Punisher both reverted back to Marvel when the rights lapsed at Fox and Lionsgate, respectively.  Obviously, if Marvel gives the characters new movies, they’ll be reboots, but in a recent interview, Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige says they’re still figuring out how to proceed with these valuable properties.

Hit the jump for what Feige had to say, and click here for what he had to say to Steve at the press junket for Thor: The Dark World.

Speaking to Bleeding Cool at the Thor junket, Feige explained the studio’s current position with regards to Daredevil and The Punisher:

We’re trying to figure out what to do with Daredevil now. Punisher could show up at one point. You know, once we get characters back into the Marvel fold we don’t want to do something right away, we want to do the smart thing at the smart time.

It’s not difficult to see where Feige is coming from on this.  Daredevil could be pursued in a variety of ways (sadly, Joe Carnahan’s take probably won’t be one of them), and Punisher tends to work as a way to provide contrast to other superheroes (“I kill, but they don’t!”).  But Marvel has set a tone with their movies.  They have different settings, but they’re all brightly colored, lively pictures.  Daredevil and The Punisher are much darker than any other property Marvel currently has in development.  Personally, I’d like to see Doctor Strange and Black Panther get slots in Phase Three since we haven’t seen those characters on the big screen yet, but right now I’ll enjoy Phase Two rather than looking ahead to 2016.

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  • Lucas Accardo

    “We’re Trying to Figure out What to Do” and judging by the recent movies they have clearly no clue.

    For Daredevil they have one of the greatest comic series ever to adapt from , all the Frank Miller era, especially Born Again, they could literally use that script exactly and use the uncanny Dave Mazzucchelli art as layouts.

    • HORSEFLESH

      Marvel made the most successful series of superhero films ever; yeah, they’ve no clue what they’re doing.

      • Lucas Accardo

        I was obviously talking about the Punisher and Daredevil movies.

      • Nerdgasm

        Wasn’t THESE fuys’ fault. Yes Kevin Fiege was apart of Marvel studios THEN, BUT Avi Arad called the shots and he is a stupid stupid man with no imagination. Just look at his IMDB and on top of that he said “spiderman is a happy go lucky hero with no darkness around him it’s why the film is fun” I am paraphrasing of course but he was why Raimi’s Spiderman sucks.

      • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

        speak for yourself.
        Raimi’s Spiderman is for me exactly what spidey must look like.
        the last spiderman was a pure joke for me.

      • Sleazy Machida

        STFU you Noob Saibot Bitch.

      • Matt T.

        They’re not worried about making Punisher and Daredevil movies right now; basically that’s why they don’t know yet.

      • HORSEFLESH

        Not obvious at all- those films aren’t ‘recent’ Marvel films and ‘Marvel Studios’, as it exists now, didn’t make those films because Lionsgate and Fox licensed the rights to Punisher & Daredevil so you can’t blame the current Marvel producers/studio for those films.

        There was a ‘Marvel Knights’ logo on them as branding but it was the execs and producers at Lionsgate & Fox calling the shots since they paid for the films. Marvel’s Avi Arad acted as a producer and was the go-between Marvel and the studios because he sold the rights for them to produce. He was no film-maker nor was he or Marvel in-charge creatively. Marvel wasn’t even a film-studio back then- they were just an office that licensed out intellectual properties to other studios who had finance because they had none.

        After the under-performing of Daredevil & Punisher: War Zone, Marvel Studios eventually realised the only way was to take the plunge and borrow money to produce Iron Man themselves.

        The whole point of this article is that Marvel is now its own independent studio that can fund its own films and they don’t have to watch another studio mess with their characters.

      • Lucas Accardo

        The were talking about Daredevil and Punisher in this article, man.

      • Lucas Accardo

        The were talking about Daredevil and Punisher in this article, man.

      • Lucas Accardo

        The were talking about Daredevil and Punisher in this article, man.

      • HORSEFLESH

        That’s correct and we all know that, but in your original post you’re blaming ‘Marvel Studios’ for other studios’ mistakes, (Marvel did not produce DD or Punisher) therefore, by quoting Marvel Studios, you’re taking their recent statement out-of-context:

        Lucas Accardo: ["We’re Trying to Figure out What to Do" and judging by the recent movies they have clearly no clue.]

        Unlike Lionsgate or Fox – who made those two films – Marvel Studios’ track record has been very successful with their own characters, so clearly they do have a clue and you’re referring to the wrong people by blaming them for films they did not make.

      • HORSEFLESH

        That’s correct and we all know that, but in your original post you’re blaming ‘Marvel Studios’ for other studios’ mistakes, (Marvel did not produce DD or Punisher) therefore, by quoting Marvel Studios, you’re taking their recent statement out-of-context:

        Lucas Accardo: ["We’re Trying to Figure out What to Do" and judging by the recent movies they have clearly no clue.]

        Unlike Lionsgate or Fox – who made those two films – Marvel Studios’ track record has been very successful with their own characters, so clearly they do have a clue and you’re referring to the wrong people by blaming them for films they did not make.

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  • Dan

    Michael C. Hall as Daredevil and Karl Urban as The Punisher

    • ʝoe Cûddleš ßloggs

      Karl Urban is better suited as Dredd. He was amazing in that.

    • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

      Guy Pierce as Daredevil

  • MegaMan3k

    I thought Tom Jane’s Punisher was excellent, but deserved a better “big bad.”

    • Murdoch

      The supporting characters & story could’ve used some major reworking as well.

    • The Flobbit

      Yeah, Tom Jane was certifiably badass. Did you see “Dirty Laundry”? He was damn good in that.

      • doc

        That is what The Punisher needs to be.

      • The Flobbit

        Indeed. And the great thing was that the Punisher was barely in it. Gritty cinematography, thought-provoking moral drama interspersed with brutal violence to create a hard-hitting and badass short.

        Make more Hollywood. No, really. Stop making Thor and Wolverine sequels and make more Punisher shorts.

    • Bob

      Its def very underrated. Jane was great as Punisher and it was still one of Travolta’s best jobs in years as he has been real crap as of late.

  • 80sRobot

    Both seem like they would work better as TV series.

    • Harry

      Yes, but more specifically NOT on ABC. For either property to be anywhere remotely faithfull (and decent) these shows would need a network like FX or Showtime.

      • Norrtron

        AMC needs something to replace BB; a complicated and well written Daredevil would be pretty sweet.

      • Bob

        Well hopefully that four picture deal rumor involves deals with Showtime. I love Showtime..Homeland, Shameless, Masters of Sex…

  • Colin

    Let’s see what they do with Guardians of the Galaxy. That looks like it will be on the darker side and not so “brightly colored”. Marvel will do the right thing. I really hope Daredevil gets made soon and what Marvel will do with it. I hope King Pin is a huge CG guy actually. Set in the shadows.

    • Melwing

      Everything you said seems wrong except “Marvel will do the right thing”

    • Bob

      You think a movie were two of the main characters are green and one a Raccoon wont be to bright colored? Or more dark then funny? I think it will be a bit of both, but def not more dark then funny. After all, this is Marvel Studios.

  • Colonel_Neville_Wraithchild

    marvel should translate marvel knights’ brand to movies, so they could make R- rated punisher and daredevil flicks, they actually could have both marvel brands running parallel to each other, the main marvel brand featuring the more mainstream, PG oriented characters on one side and the more dark, gritty ones on the other. it could work just fine, not all heroes have super powers that allow them to fight aliens, there’s the other kind of heroes, the ones that are there to fight the every day scum of the streets and actually get dirty.

    • Nerdgasm

      You obviously have never picked up an issue of any Marvel Knights comic if you think they just fight EVERY DAY SCUM. Dare Devil, Blade and Ghost Rider face characters and beings from other dimensions and even Hell. Those are their top tier bad guys as well. Throw in Moon Knight. Dare Devil… everyone says Kingpin is his Big Bad but Daredevil shares with everyone. Blade=Dracula. Ghost Rider = Black Heart. Moon Knight = Wolf By Night [Whom he is also best friends with and tries to make him good but at first is a bad guy.] Not to mention again with Dare Devil the background of his story has a lot to do supernatural elements with the HAND and their higher elite members.

    • Guest

      R-rated movies make significantly less money, so I highly doubt Marvel will allow it now that they have control. I would love to be wrong, but Feige has a certain formula and seldom deviates from it. Their best bet for the fans of these characters and best bet for revenue would be a premium or premium-like cable television series. People throw around words like dark and gritty but there are only a few filmmakers that actually execute this well. All the Punisher movies, the Daredevil movie, they’ve tried and just didn’t get there (in my opinion.) I’d like the AMC version of Daredevil, with a film, not tv director at the helm for the pilot. Scorcese did Boardwalk Empire. Someone of that caliber. Someone that has probably priced themselves out of reach, considering Marvel’s penny-pinching design.

      • Colonel_Neville_Wraithchild

        if you release an R- rated punisher movie in the same time window of a pg 13 avengers movie (read: in summer) it obviously mean less money for the R rated one, but marvel could rule the summer with their original marvel brand and rule any other season with their marvel knights franchise.

      • Guest

        I like your enthusiasm and wish that were true, because I love r-rated films, but the print and advertising costs alone couldn’t justify the revenue that you would get, even from a marvel branded film. punisher is a risky property for these guys, and r-rated makes it monumentally difficult to get a younger crowd to go – the younger crowd being a large contingent of movie goers in films like Iron Man. Marvel know it, their marketing department knows it. It sucks, but it’s just a high high risk from a financial standpoint. I’m for the series route, and living with these characters for a long term basis in a dark fashion. When shows like Dexter, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos, Game of Thrones can exist, premium cable tv really rivals film now, and I have yet to see a superhero done in this capacity. Agents of Shield is a major disappointment for me, and mirrors the gloss of the movies, except without the budget. It just fails on so many levels. But Daredevil on HBO, I’m in – every week.

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  • Lance

    Marvel is already exploring doing stuff in the past, with Agent Carter.

    I wonder if Daredevil and Punisher wouldn’t work best in the 70s or 80s, a time when crime was more rampant, and in the Marvel CU there wouldn’t have been heroes like Iron Man and Thor running around to save the day.

    But Punisher might be too difficult to fit in the Marvel CU altogether, just because he’s so much more violent and the Marvel CU has to be kid friendly. A separate Marvel movie line doesn’t really help, because the general audience won’t really be able to tell the difference.

    • Nerdgasm

      Why is everyone so black and white with this? Number one Dare Devil isn’t a BRAWLER that took out “70′s type banks and robber gangster villains” he deals a lot with demons, vamps and other worldly creatures and his character comics… even the Frank Miller comics… Can work as a darker PG-13 movie. It just depends on the writer. They need good writers. I think that Punisher can also be that way. For instance the JOKER is known for a lot of blood in his comics yet they made him very dark and scary in a PG-13 movie. They can also do the same with the punisher. Mood and Tone does a lot for what an audience can feel during a movie.

      • Lance

        If it were as easy as you say Feige would have already ordered up those movies. These characters just don’t fit very easily into the Marvel CU — they’re not necessarily slam dunk film properties either, or else Marvel wouldn’t have gotten them back.

      • Nerdgasm

        Never said it was going to be easy. All I am saying is everyone is saying shit like “needs to R rated mayhem and blood and grit.” And i think THAT deviates from characters like Dare Devil, Ghost Rider and Moon Knight. I also think since Daredevil would be the perfect the conduit to make Marvel Knights happen then characters like Punisher and Blade should be brought down to the level of Dare Devil so void their movies of over the top blood and language. It wouldn’t diminish the characters… Dare Devil is on the same wave length as Batman as far as tone and they did a pretty good job at gritty and dark in the Dark Knight trilogy… the only difference is that Blade, Dare Devil and Moon Knight are actually very humorous in their comics. I think it can be done but it’s the opposite of easy which I never said. they need the right writers and directors… which i did say.

  • NephewOfAnarchy

    “We’re trying to figure out what to do with Daredevil now. Punisher could show up at one point.”

    Call me Captain Obvious here but…Daredevil vs Punisher? Toss in Moon Knight in the third act too and you’re set up for Marvel Knights where you can bring in Cage, Shang-Chi and add a Black Widow appearance to keep it all in the “Marvel universe”.

  • Excpired

    Ew, Black Panther was a terrible excuse to make a Black superhero imo any remaining comic books of Black Panther should be torched and those who speak of it lobotomized.

    • Kevin

      Explain.

    • Bob

      Not matterwhat excuse he was made for, he has grown into a great character and one who is universally thought by the fan community as one who truly deserves his own movie. And I agree with that and think he does to.

  • 80sRobot

    If I were working for Marvel Studios, here would be my proposal: Set up a universe that is “urban and gritty” that is shared across TV shows (whether it airs on broadcast, cable or online). So you could put Daredevil and Punisher in this world. Many other Marvel characters would fit well in this realm, too: Power Man, Iron Fist, Cloak & Dagger, Black Panther and so on. (I would not necessarily count Agents of SHIELD in this category.) This “gritty urban heroes” world could be considered a sub-universe within the current Marvel movie universe (that SHIELD is a periphery to), but for the most part they wouldn’t feel the need to devise direct cross-over stories between the two.

  • Daniel O’Reilly

    Apparently they really are still working it out. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be shutting down fan films based on their characters. (But Venom was okay, because they don’t have the film rights for him).

    • Nerdgasm

      Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut Uuuuuuup. People are not understanding that it wasn’t a FAN FILM. It was to go on Kick Starter as a pilot and get a whole run of webshows off of and order to try and get followers and donations to up start their production company. I would shut it down too. It’s one thing to do a seven minute thing that will get someone eyed for “fifteen minutes” but if someone is trying to make a long sanctioned thing to get their name out there using characters that aren’t their own…yes they should be shut down.

  • HeSaidSheSaidRevieSite

    Here’s an idea, make a sequel, a real sequel, to the Thomas Jane move. Shit was a blast.

    • doc

      Make a sequel to the last 20 min of the Thomas Jane Punisher. The rest was crap.

  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    I know I’m probably in the minority here but I really wish Marvel did not get their hands on DD. I say this only because instead of films being made by multiple studios you are going to have 1 studio with the rights to several key Marvel characters and will not want to compete against themselves in terms of boxoffice receipts. Marvel only releases two films a year at this point so there is not a lot of room to have new characters being released as sequels will be made if the 1st is successful (Thor, Iron Man and Capt America). I really wish David Slade got to make his version of DD as I am a big fan of his especially with the Hannibal show and 30 Days of Nights and even with that god aweful Twilight series his was the only respectable one. It would have been interesting to see what he could have brought to the screen if Fox would have given him the creative freedom and smart script. Oh well as of now we sit in limbo until Marvel can figure out where to go with the character.

  • LEM

    They have no clue but they do know they’ll sue any fans who make cool looking films.

    • Nerdgasm

      Another clueless asshat. Find my other comment on here that clearly states why they were shut down. It wasn’t going to be one film but a webshow.

      • LEM

        I don’t care if it’s a web series or a fan film the only thing that should matter is if they try to make money on the property they don’t own. I didn’t see anything showing them trying to make money but only being creative. Marvel/Disney could have easily financed the series themselves and allowed them to proceed the same way that was done with “Mortal Kombat”.

      • Nerdgasm

        They were gaining fame and fans with a character that wasn’t theirs and asking for donations up front. And Marvel isn’t just going to give a character away like that. They should have to do what everyone else has to do, make a case for Marvel to see them and then show them some sizzle reels to prove they can handle the material. If they can’t do that then they should show their REAL creativity and do something original from their own minds.

      • LEM

        I assume the donations were only to fund production and the fans are Marvels/Punisher fans already. I didn’t say they should give up the property but they could have easily contacted the creative team and instead of threatening and intimidation they could embrace what they’ve done and make some sort of deal to finance a full web series. The best part of fan films is the creativity isn’t hindered by the business side or a ratings board so IMO they should all be allowed to do it if they make no money from it.

      • Melwing

        They WERE doing it to make money.

  • Kevin

    Daredevil is not “much darker” than the other Marvel properties in development. The current comic series is arguably his best ever and its style would fit perfectly fine with their other films.

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  • Ashtalon

    Daredevil and Punisher should both be part of that 5-show/60-episode TV package Marvel is trying to shop around. They’d both be great as TV shows. Each show has their individual villains and storylines. However, the main, shadowy heavy is the Kingpin. The 2 shows (and maybe others, like Heroes For Hire) lead to a crossover where the heroes team-up against Kingpin. Basically, a big build up (like the Avengers) but on TV.

  • Btbcc12859

    Just because Spirit of Vengeance didn’t bring the Marvel Knights Banner money from heaven, doesn’t mean they should abandon it. Marvel Knights is the perfect way to allow Marvel make R rated films

    • nerdgasm

      You dont understand the characters if you think Marvel Knights should be R. Are they grittier and void of the color pallets of the other heroes? Yes. But Iron Man and Spiderman among others like Iron Fist are constant characters in the Marvel knight archs. They aren’t as dark as you say or think. They could be made into respectable PG13 films that fit with the Avengers.

      • doc

        PG13 is fine if it’s done right. A big budget R rated comic movie leaves out too much of the fan base and the $$$ isn’t there for a large studio to risk a large budget. That’s why a Deadpool movie will never happen.

      • Btbcc12859

        Your response is valid, however the characters that you listed that have crossover to the Marvel Knights brand are not killers. Punisher is a killer and although Daredevil may not be his world has killers. My point was/is Marvel Knight films was setup for R rated characters. PG13 has been stretched in definition many times but the last time Punisher or Daredevil attempted PG13 it failed due to the limitations of the rating. Or it could have been poor directing…….

      • Btbcc12859

        Your response is valid, however the characters that you listed that have crossover to the Marvel Knights brand are not killers. Punisher is a killer and although Daredevil may not be his world has killers. My point was/is Marvel Knight films was setup for R rated characters. PG13 has been stretched in definition many times but the last time Punisher or Daredevil attempted PG13 it failed due to the limitations of the rating. Or it could have been poor directing…….

  • Satchmo

    Punisher needs to be an HBO show and it needs to follow writer Greg Rucka recent storyline. Make punisher not the main character but a force of nature that is only seen every once and awhile and when he’s seen it’s mostly cause everybody is dying. Kind of a first Alien vibe, less in your face, more subtle, more angel of death. The main characters should be split between the undercover officer that is spared by Frank in the pilot and the female he trains after she’s left for dead which should be the finale for season 1. Season 2 should focus solely on training his accomplice, bringing Frank more into the spotlight. Season 3 should be the big revenge. Annnnnnd that’s a wrap. 36 episodes of solid, mature Marvel/ HBO goodness.

    • Nerdgasm

      sounds ………. like I would never watch it. callin’ it now – cancelled after 3 episodes and called horseshit world round.

      • Satchmo

        Hmmmm, rather then just be cunty to basically everyone on here and an internet tough guy (if you wouldn’t say it to a persons face then don’t write it on the net)- put out your idea. And if you’re saying marvel knights – that was one of the worst eras of marvel comics. And PG 13 punisher? What are we teenagers? He’s a character meant for adults not shoe horned into a wider audience. Ugh why do I bother, when most likely you are just another faceless internet troll being an idiot or…Matt Goldberg.

      • Satchmo

        ….just realized you’ve been on here for most of the day arguing this shit judging by your posts. Steady trollin’

      • Nerdgasm

        yup I would say it to your face. Cause it’s a dumb idea.

        Oh and P.S to the comment down there below this one. I make a nice cushy living so that comment doesn’t hurt (thinking I have nothing else better to do or something like that.) Actually was working while I was commenting.

  • http://www.friendster.com/profiles/92668370 TefferMcG

    Why not make both of these ‘Marvel Knights’? I liked the adult theme of the Punisher movie I saw, think it was War Zone… would like to see them get Daredevil in that same milieu.
    Or, would they try to tame them and get them on the small screen, live action..?

  • Dan the Garbage Man

    I would like to see some kind of joint deal with ABC/Netflix (because come on, you can’t have Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and a show about a guy with a torture fetish on the same channel) I think the press from that kind of deal alone would bring in viewers.

    Here’s how I’d pitch it… Make a “Marvel Knights” anthology series in the vein of American Horror Story or the upcoming True Detective. That format is still kind of rare, and it helps keep each season fresh. Season 1 would take place after the Battle of New York. Matt Murdock is an attorney who lost his job when his firm was literally destroyed. Now he’s working with people who want to sue for injuries sustained during the Battle (think Denzel Washington’s character in Philadelphia). The thing is, he’s had enhanced senses since childhood (your basic Daredevil origin), and after seeing the Avengers in battle he’s inspired to use his abilities as Daredevil (who would probably have a slightly more grounded costume).
    On the other end would be Frank Castle, whose origin and backstory largely remain the same (replace Vietnam with Afghanistan and there you go). After the death of his wife and children he becomes the Punisher, and the story kind feeds itself based on history. The third party (villain) would either be the Kingpin, trying to exploit
    something related to the rebuilding of New York, or someone kind of
    minor, like Razorfist, whose purpose is to die (thus proving the
    Punisher is more of a murderous psychopath than a hero).
    This would be a story about the darker side of the world post-Avengers, it’s about the ones who were inspired by their and the shades of grey that hang over their every move. There would be the odd but close contrast between the guy in the tights and the guy who’s trying to make a difference at any cost.

    Season 2 would be supernatural with Ghost Rider and Blade.
    Season 3 would be more street level/profit-focused with Heroes for Hire (Luke Cage and Iron Fist)

  • bidi

    i can almost guarantee nothing will happen with Daredevil. Punisher might pop up in Agents of SHIELD simply as a former agent who went rogue after his family was murdered. maybe they try to recruit him back but have to put him down cuz he’s nuts. that’s it. Marvel is too light and fun, and i just don’t see them doing anything with these characters other than leaving them on the shelf, or tossing them in random SHIELD episodes

  • Nick

    Bring the best heroine once again Jennifer Garner as ELEKTRA

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