Don’t Worry, Boycotters: Orson Scott Card Won’t Make Any Money off the ENDER’S GAME Movie

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Ender’s Game opens this weekend, and it’s pretty great (I’ll have my full review up later today).  But there has been some hesitance amongst some potential viewers because they don’t want to have any money go to the book’s homophobic author, Orson Scott Card.  Those people need not worry.  Card made his money off selling the rights years ago, and that’s all the cash he’s going to see.  He certainly did see a lot of money we he sold the rights to the best-selling novel.  He not only profited from selling the rights, but pocketed $1.5 million to write the screenplay.  However, he was never satisfied with his own adaptation, and eventually the project moved on without him.

Hit the jump for more.  Ender’s Game opens tomorrow.

enders_game_book_cover_orson_scott_cardCard made his deal long before authors were savvy enough to get deals with a back-end percentage of a film’s profits as well as input on casting, the script, etc.  According to The Wrap, there were whispers, “that Card’s contract had ‘“escalators”’ – built-in box-office milestones with cash bonuses attached – individuals close to the film say he has no such profit participation.”  Again, that’s not surprising.  One of the benefits of Ender’s Game being in production so long is that the business changed enough to cut him out of it.  Even his producing credit is nominal.  He had absolutely no input on Gavin Hood‘s adaptation.

Production company OddLot and distributor Summit Entertainment have been vehement about explaining that Card had absolutely nothing to do with making the movie, and the companies fully support LGBT rights.  Even though those statements are being used to save that audience, it doesn’t mean the statements are disingenuous.  Card is part of a dying breed, which is why I think even the remote fear of him getting any money is a little short-sighted.

We’re going to be doing our podcast, The Collision, on separating artist from art, but right now I’ll say that when it comes to Card, I don’t mind him getting money.  The fear is that he’s going to take those profits and push them towards anti-gay causes, and he probably will.  But here’s the thing: he’s already lost.  He’d have a better chance at trying to bring back pagers.  History is against him, and he’s going to waste thousands of dollars trying to support intolerance that is fading every day.  He can’t pay to stop you from having a gay friend or a gay family member and your acceptance that life is going to be okay.  But he’s still going to flush his money down the toilet instead of spending it on things that would actually make his life better.  That’s fine by me.  I get to read a pretty good book and think about how the author is not only an idiot, but an ineffective idiot.

enders-game-final-posterNevertheless, the boycott of the movie looks like it will continue because the marketing of the film has boosted sales of the book, and he’s supported the movie on his website even though no one involved with the movie wants anything to do with him (they’d probably call it “The Adventures of Space Boy Against the Aliens” if they didn’t want the plot, which, ironically, is ultimately about the importance of empathy).  So I’m slightly annoyed when MoveOn.org board member Jono Jarrett told the Wrap:

“Queer geeks have far better things to do with our time and money than line up to profit someone who’s spent decades advancing an anti-gay agenda that damages and demeans the LGBT community,” org board member Jono Jarrett told TheWrap.

When informed that Card would not benefit financially from “Ender’s Game” box office, Jarrett said it was “regrettable the way the film’s publicity has driven up book sales,” but that “I really feel like staying the course for Skip Ender’s Game, certainly through our events on Friday … it’s about how we as a community respond to the situation.

“If it turns out that the LGBT community’s refusal to see ‘Ender’s Game’ carries more of a symbolic rejection of Card and his rhetoric than a financial one, I think that’s still a powerful message to content providers,” Jarrett said.

enders-game-asa-butterfield-hailee-steinfeldThat sounds like “Well…we didn’t do the research to find out he wouldn’t make any money off the book, but now that we’ve already amassed a coalition, we can’t really turn back, so we’re still going to protest albeit in a less substantial way.”  It’s a disappointing response because the symbolism is about the act of joining together rather than what the joining together was supposed to accomplish.  Jarrett and his members have already won.  They got a movie that won’t benefit the author and a platform for the filmmakers to roundly reject that author.  It seems like Jarrett’s purpose now is to have a group rather than to accept the success of the group’s mission.

Returning to Ender’s Game, I encourage everyone, including LGBT people, to see the movie.  It’s really good, and it promotes the importance of empathy, a value the book’s author sorely lacks.




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  • Lance

    I don’t think we should shrug this off. If the movie does well money comes back to Card somehow. What about rights to sequel books? What about merchandise? What about increased book sales in and of themselves?

    There is something to be said about separating the art from the artist. Plenty of artists were huge jerks, but created great works. But sometimes you can’t separate the two because the actions of the artist went too far.

    • cloud720

      At the end of the day, card didn’t put up the $150 million to make the movie. A boycott wouldn’t hurt card it would hurt the filmmakers who rejected card and his beliefs.

      • Lance

        Studios and people with deep pockets put up $150 million. They’ll still be doing better than you or I will if Ender’s Game tanks harder than The Fifth Estate. Everyone who worked on the movie got paid.

      • Gojiro

        The source for all this is The Wrap which says it all. Just need some fact checking to get through the Studio hype machine which says, “Card made his deal long before authors were savvy enough to get deals with a back-end percentage of a film’s profits as well as input on casting, the script, etc. According to The Wrap, there were whispers, “that Card’s contract had ‘“escalators”’ – built-in box-office milestones with cash bonuses attached – individuals close to the film say he has no such profit participation.”

        From Deadline Hollywood’s reporting in 2011, “Warner Bros acquired the novel in 2002 and tried for years to make the film with director Wolfgang Petersen. I’d heard that the author, who long resisted selling the project to film, was a very hands-on presence, and that complicated the movie transfer. The studio’s option lapsed and Pritzker’s Odd Lot stepped in. Odd Lot hired Hood, who has spent the past year crafting a screenplay, in between directing TV pilots like Breakout Kings. While Hood was said to have had a difficult time making Wolverine at Fox, that film posted an $85 million opening weekend and grossed $375 million worldwide in 2009.”

        Wow the rights were first sold in drum-roll please . . . . 2002! – long before writers were savvy about merchandising and backend deals? I call bullshit on this. Card has gross point participation. If he doesn’t he needs to fire his agent because that guy cost him a lot of money in lost income.

        A simple Google search brings the facts to light. I understand the movie studio trying to minimize a boycott but really bringing this all back up on the day before the film opens when the controversy had died down? Really. Stupid. Because now it’s out there again. Someone in the marketing department needs to be demoted.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg
      • The Flobbit

        At the end of the day…JK Rowling, Chris Paolini, the Tolkien Estate, George R. R. Martin, Frank Miller, and Stan Lee did not put up $150,000,000, or even $150,000 to make the movie. Why do they get money?

    • Norrtron

      The sequel to Enders Game would not make sense, if the studios decide to do a sequel I would imagine they would completely leave behind the source material and create something new.

      • http://illusion0flife.wordpress.com/ IllusionOfLife

        Indeed. Speaker for the Dead (the sequel to Ender’s Game) is a such a massive departure from the original and a bizarre story in its own right that I can’t see it being adapted as a sequel. If Ender gets sequelled, I can almost guarantee it won’t be an adaptation of Speaker.

      • Marisa

        If they make a sequel I would think it would have to be Ender’s Shadow about the side character Bean because it keeps this YA and that seems to be the angle they’re going for. Just checked IMDB and the actor playing Bean is listed #7 right below all the heavy weights.

        Had been planning on boycotting this but while I’m glad to hear this it doesn’t change the fact that as much as I love the book there are 3 or 4 other movies coming out this month that I would rather see.

  • JK1193

    Well if Goldberg says that the movie is good, and again, this is coming from Goldberg!!!!!, I guess we can put this drama to bed.

  • Cog

    Am going IMAX tonight, can not wait

  • fatboy35

    Why is this news? So 1%-3% of the population won’t go see Ender’s Game – who cares?

    • The Flobbit

      The 1-3% of the population care an awful lot.

  • Raptor Jesus

    Either you believe in religious freedom or you don’t.

    The ‘boycott’ people obviously don’t.

    I don’t care if people believe things I think are untrue. That’s their right.

    • Norrtron

      It’s also peoples right to boycott the film. No one is saying that he can’t believe what he does, they’re just choosing not to support him.

  • mattinacan

    doesn’t matter if he see’s any money or not, it is the principal. I will not being spending a cent on this film.

    • The Flobbit

      Well more fool you. You’re not changing a goddamn thing.

  • Bill

    Seems kind of dumb and intolerant to label Card ‘homophobic’ just b/c he believes in traditional marriage. So many LGBT preach tolerance but they are being anything but tolerant by boycotting and slamming Card for his own beliefs. Those who believe in/stand for traditional marriage are often labeled hypocrites but those who preach tolerance are often guilty of the intolerance they supposedly stand against. Just b/c one stands ‘for’ something doesn’t mean they ‘hate’ or are ‘in fear of’ (i.e, phobic) of the other side. People need to get over themselves and their own intolerance/hypocrisy before criticizing others of it. Or at the very least, be logical.

    • Leo Spaceman

      Card goes over and above just supporting traditional marriage. Read the things that he has said. He is a hateful and twisted old man who utterly fits the definition of Homophobia. He is on par with Westboro as far as I’m concerned and I consider myself someone who hates liberals more than I hate conservatives. Just read what he actually says because it goes a lot farther than supporting traditional marriage.

      • Norrtron

        I don’t agree with him, but his views really aren’t as extreme as you’re stating. The media loves to sensationalize things and most people eat it up.

    • bombinUSA

      yah gays are such whiney babies, i guess that’s what them make them gay lol. freaking sub-humans gays are…lower than primates.

      • Kevin

        Just because there are more people one way doesn’t make them better.

    • bombinUSA

      yah gays are such whiney babies, i guess that’s what them make them gay lol. freaking sub-humans gays are…lower than primates.

    • Steve

      I don’t know Card personally, but I would be surprised if he is indeed homophobic. I think he just believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I don’t think that makes him a homophobe. Why does the left continue to call names an squeeze people into a box or label them just because a person doesn’t have the same left leaning beliefs?

    • Steve

      I don’t know Card personally, but I would be surprised if he is indeed homophobic. I think he just believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I don’t think that makes him a homophobe. Why does the left continue to call names an squeeze people into a box or label them just because a person doesn’t have the same left leaning beliefs?

      • JetpackJesus

        So what you’re saying is that a white person in 1967 who didn’t actually hate or fear African Americans but believed that marriage should only be between people of the same race (traditional marriage) was not racist because (s)he didn’t actually “hate” African Americans?

        The people opposed to gay marriage today are no different than the people who opposed interracial marriage 45 years ago. They were wrong then and they’re wrong now.

        Just because you don’t like something about another group of human beings does not mean you get to deprive that group of the same rights to which you are entitled as a human being. You don’t think it’s homophobia? Fine. Call it whatever you want, but it will still be just as wrong and utterly reprehensible.

  • Matt Sallusti

    Can’t get a way from the liberal spin – even here. Pathetic. Goldberg just because someone believes in marriage is to be defined as between a man and a woman does not make him or her homophobic. I mean come on. When did it become intolerant and claim yourself tolerant? The author foilows the view of marriage that has been accepted since the dawn of time how excatly does that make him a bad guy? Libs – the most intolerant people on planet who clain to be tolerant

    • Johnny Bubonic

      You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Do your research on Card and the National Organization for Marriage then open your INFORMED mouth.

      • Matt Sallusti

        hey Johnny you got my real name and I will tell you I proudly live in the greatest city and state in the Union – Dallas, Texas. Come find me. I welcome it. You have no idea what you are talking about you intolerant Neanderthal

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Ooooh Grrr. What would you do? Beat me up? Ha! Typical. Nowhere did I say you couldn’t express your viewpoint, only that it was uninformed. Where you live is irrelevant to the discussion and nobody gives a fuck, tough guy. So stick to the subject, hoss.

        Card is a board member of the National Organization for Marriage – a hate group. They lobby governments around the world to deny homosexuals not just the right to marry, but the ability to have rights in general. This is indisputable. They collaborate with hatemongers who advocate that homosexuality be criminalized and even that homosexuals be put to death.

        Seeking to deny someone the rights they constitutionally deserve because they are not like you is the very definition of intolerance, pinhead. But I am quite sure you agree with that perspective, so there is really no point in encouraging you to educate yourself.

        And I’m from Texas, you knuckle-dragging cretin, so I know exactly what you dipshits are all about: big mouths and tiny brains. Go hump your Bible.

      • Matt Sallusti

        It’s not a hate group and last time I checked the right to same sex marriage as a constitutional right had yet to be decided. Maybe you ought to go back to law school or first get that eighth grade graduation certificate. Libs once again the most intolerant people on the planet. Thanks for telling me I can have an opinion – which by the way is guaranteed by the constitution – and then at the same time labeling that opinion as bigoted. Reasonable minds can disagree about what should and should not be sanctioned by the state. Get that certificate and maybe you will understand that. Good luck and God speed. And the reason for telling u my bane was to illustrate I am no cowers who hides behind An alias on the internet.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        All citizens of this country have a right to equal treatment under the law. That may not always be the case in practice, but it will eventually resolve that way. This issue will be decided in favor of equal treatment, and therefore gay marriage. But go right ahead with your pathetic little persecution complex, you poor, oppressed, straight, white male. The “libs,” or whatever you want to call your bogeyman are laughing at you.

        You are a bigot. You do not believe homosexuals should share in the same rights that you possess because they are not like you. This is exemplified by your attitude toward gay marriage.

        People like you are the same ones who claimed that interracial marriage would destroy civilization. You were wrong then, you are wrong now. And you will always be wrong. You don’t have to marry a male if you don’t want to. Nobody is forcing you to do that and nobody ever will.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Ooooh Grrr. What would you do? Beat me up? Ha! Typical. Nowhere did I say you couldn’t express your viewpoint, only that it was uninformed. Where you live is irrelevant to the discussion and nobody gives a fuck, tough guy. So stick to the subject, hoss.

        Card is a board member of the National Organization for Marriage – a hate group. They lobby governments around the world to deny homosexuals not just the right to marry, but the ability to have rights in general. This is indisputable. They collaborate with hatemongers who advocate that homosexuality be criminalized and even that homosexuals be put to death.

        Seeking to deny someone the rights they constitutionally deserve because they are not like you is the very definition of intolerance, pinhead. But I am quite sure you agree with that perspective, so there is really no point in encouraging you to educate yourself.

        And I’m from Texas, you knuckle-dragging cretin, so I know exactly what you dipshits are all about: big mouths and tiny brains. Go hump your Bible.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Neanderthals were actually quite intelligent and there is ample evidence that they interbred with early homo sapiens, so thank you for the compliment.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Neanderthals were actually quite intelligent and there is ample evidence that they interbred with early homo sapiens, so thank you for the compliment.

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  • Matt Sallusti

    Can’t get a way from the liberal spin – even here. Pathetic. Goldberg just because someone believes in marriage is to be defined as between a man and a woman does not make him or her homophobic. I mean come on. When did it become intolerant and claim yourself tolerant? The author foilows the view of marriage that has been accepted since the dawn of time how excatly does that make him a bad guy? Libs – the most intolerant people on planet who claim to be tolerant

  • Josh

    Logic of those who support traditional marriage: Marriage = man + woman
    Logic of those who support new view of marriage: Marriage = adult lover + adult lover
    Faulty Logic: Not tolerating someone because you believe they are not tolerating someone.

    • The Flobbit

      The fact is is that gay marriage is unnatural. If everyone was gay, we would all die out, since the only way that humans can be produced if with a female and a male. Not male/male or female/female. Look at plants and animals. Are they gay? No, they might even be smarter than us.

      Look, I’m tolerant of gays, but they are the only social group that waves their gayness in your face. Why can’t they just be gay and leave it alone? Instead they try to force their gayness on you in the most crude and in-your-face way possible.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Everyone isn’t gay and there is no realistic chance that everyone will be gay. Also, homosexuality is rampant throughout the animal kingdom – especially among primates. Would you like to try again?

      • Old Soldier

        Primates also kill and eat the children of their rivals, rape their children, and throw feces when angry. Should we follow that fine example?

      • Johnny Bubonic

        We still do, just in a slightly more elaborate, generally less literal fashion. You know, because we’re so advanced. You have a very naive view of humanity.

      • Old Soldier

        Yet YOU compare gays to animals.
        Advanced indeed.

      • peter

        We definitely still do. Roman Polanski is a celebrated child-rapist director. Mike Tyson is another celebrated rapist. We’re far from civilized.

        To compare us to primates is an insult to the primates.

      • The Flobbit

        You named two rapists in history, and now we’re no better than apes? To compare us to primates is thinly veiled nonsense – we are far supreme animals. Have primates invented the car, telephone, internet, and airplanes? No, they pick their butt and hammer stuff with rocks.

        Civilized indeed.

  • Nomdeplume

    How is speaking out against moral depravity in any way bigoted? The Constitution affords ALL Americans equal rights as citizens… but not as homos or blacks or hispanics or caucasians!

    And if you think OSC has “already lost” then consider the fact that in every state where a referendum on the redefinition of marriage has taken place, it has lost by vote of the people (even in California for chrissakes!)… the only way the militant homo lobby can get it’s way is through the courts!

    And you dare call OSC an extremist when you and your fellow travellers publicly override the will of the people as expressed through democratic votes…?

    What is morally wrong can NEVER be politically right…

  • Nomdeplume

    How is speaking out against moral depravity in any way bigoted? The Constitution affords ALL Americans equal rights as citizens… but not as homos or blacks or hispanics or caucasians!

    And if you think OSC has “already lost” then consider the fact that in every state where a referendum on the redefinition of marriage has taken place, it has lost by vote of the people (even in California for chrissakes!)… the only way the militant homo lobby can get it’s way is through the courts!

    And you dare call OSC an extremist when you and your fellow travellers publicly override the will of the people as expressed through democratic votes…?

    What is morally wrong can NEVER be politically right…

    • Norrtron

      Again, people on both sides of this issue need to stop being so over the top and extreme. How is anyone supposed to have a discussion or get a point across when people make their arguments so hysterical?

  • nintendozapper

    I’ve talked a lot of shit about goldberg’s reviews over the years. BUT THIS WAS GREAT! It was awesome to see a sided of Golderberg that was caring and understanding especially on such a sensitive issue. Kudos on your words concern art vs the artists, albeit short, they were effective and to the point. Now approach your movie reviews with the same nuanced sensitivity even when being critical and you would be one of my favorite reviewers, not that you know me or care what I think, but this was damn fine writing on your part.

    • nintendozapper

      wow, I need to proof read. Um “side” not “sided” and “concerning” not “concern”. I wish I wasn’t so sloppy in my first comment of praise to you Golderberg. I owed you better after all the shit I’ve talked. Sorry. Keep up the good work.

  • SwagDaddy386

    This information is coming to late WAY too late. People have already committed to not seeing the movie and this information should have come out weeks ago after the initial announcement of the boycott. Instead we got a lot of “Well, uh, shit, ummmm fuck” from the studio. I’ll catch it on Netflix or something, I just don’t want to be associated in any way. Btw, I’m not gay, just an advocate for gay rights.

  • John

    You would have to be a faggot to boycott the movie.

  • fubeca

    Nothing like boycotting the boycotter because he boycotted…Hypocrites!

  • Pro-Art/Anti-Artist

    “Ender’s Game” is not about homophobia or celebrating homophobia. It has nothing to do with the issue. There’s great ethical philosophy rooted in its themes. “Ender’s Game” is cerebral sci-fi. I would be sad to think that children are being censored from having the chance to experience either the book or the movie. It’s also saddening to think that parents would pass up the opportunity to discuss the themes with their children.

    Did these boycotters have a problem with the incredibly degrading “Twilight” and the Mormon who wrote it, or “Avatar” and its shallow-minded filmmaker? (i.e: Jame’s Cameron’s interview with Playboy: http://www.playboy.com/playground/view/playboy-interview-james-cameron)

    We need more cerebral sci-fi literature/movies and less Disney-inspired cardboard.

    • You Can’t Kill Ideas

      Regarding this issue, unfortunately it seems like all people care about is money.

      Ideas are forever. Card will die one day, but the ideas in the book/movie will outlast him.

      It’s time people started to think critically and gained the ability to
      distinguish the art from the artist. You should definitely say your
      piece about the artist, but you must also give praise to the art when it
      holds intellectual value. And “Ender’s Game” certainly is a story for
      intellectual conversation.

      • sean m.

        Agreed.

        A jerk that can create genius ideas > An idiot who refuses to understand said idea.

      • sean m.

        Agreed.

        A jerk that can create genius ideas > An idiot who refuses to understand said idea.

  • Eric Field

    I’m gay, and to be honest even if there WERE tons and tons of OSC personal views on gays in the movie (which there clearly isn’t), I’d want to see it to better understand where he is coming from. Thats just me. Although i HAVE walked out of movies before for how offended I was at the depiction of gays. I have my line, of what I want to see and what I don’t want to see. Sometimes I don’t KNOW what my line is until I’m sitting in the theater and it happens in front of me. I can decide to see something, or not see something, for any reason I want. and like wise I respect anyone else for refusing or boycotting a movie, even if i personally think their reasoning is dumb. I have friends that refuse to see an angelina jolie movie because they are “team Aniston.” wha? and also, i mean, the only reason this is even an issue is because OSC is so outspoken about it. WHO KNOWS how many of our beloved classics were written/produced/starred hard core racists, bigots etc who, in their personal lives dedicated themselves to their awful causes? There is a separation between an artist and their art, and it is whatever the hell the viewer wants it to be. uuuggg, gray area, sucks I know. embrace the ambiguity. I’m not seeing it, but only because it doesn’t look all that exiting, and also because it showed me the ending in the trailer.

  • spite=stupidity

    Boycotting this movie is in the realm of the philosophy: “cut off your nose to spite your face”.
    Or maybe “save a few bucks to spite your mind” (or child’s mind).

  • spite=stupidity

    Boycotting this movie is in the realm of the philosophy: “cut off your nose to spite your face”.
    Or maybe “save a few bucks to spite your mind” (or child’s mind).

  • Old Soldier

    I will be seeing this movie tomorrow night, eating at Chick-Fil-A and shopping at Hobby Lobby. I call that my Trifecta Against Hate. Oh, and I will be giving his books as gifts to family and friends this CHRISTMAS. Come and get me GLAAD and Geeks OUT!

    • Kevin

      You mean “For Hate”. I’m surprised you’re a soldier because you are very un-American.

      • Who’s the problem?

        Being individualistic, like Old Soldier or a homosexual, is as American as it gets. America is in shambles because too many people are pulling the individualist card (a.k.a. “I’m going to do what the hell I want!” card).

        That being said, not all individual lifestyles and philosophies are having adverse effects in the malfunctioning of our society. I’ll leave it to the intellectuals to form a cohesive, fact-based argument identifying which of these individualist practices are the problem…

      • Kevin

        Pride is humanity’s biggest problem. It makes people ignore or persecute others because they are different. Some of the greatest evils stem from this. Defending a bigot like Old Soldier because he is being “individualistic” is stupid. With that logic, you could justify genocide and slavery.

      • Old Soldier

        It’s called freedom of speech baby! One of my jobs is to fight for that. The fact you have the right to call me “un-American” means I’m doing my job. VERY well I might add.
        …………….and you’re welcome.

      • Kevin

        You don’t fight for freedom anymore than I do. You’re an embarrassment to this country.

  • bombinUSA

    being anti gay i will watch enders game and buy several copies of the book. :)
    homosexuality is just wrong!!!! if everyone were gay, mankind would cease to exist!!! how the hell can anyone be in support of something like that? In orson scott card i trust!!!

    • Johnny Bubonic

      “homosexuality is just wrong!!!!”

      Prove it without appealing to religion. And learn to spell. It will help your arguments.

      • The Flobbit

        If everyone was homosexual we would all die, because procreation would no longer exist.

        Also, it goes against the natural order of things. Opposites attract, and so forth.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        There is no chance that everyone will be homosexual. It happens because nature allows it to happen. Procreation is not dependent upon sexual intercourse.

      • The Flobbit

        Nevertheless, our bodies were made for procreation through intercourse between a male and a female.

      • The Flobbit

        Nevertheless, our bodies were made for procreation through intercourse between a male and a female.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        One is not required to procreate, and the human race is not essential to the functioning of this world. We are simply a collection of successful mutations who will continue along a successful evolutionary path or go extinct, just like every other species that has ever emerged on this planet. Homosexuality is not a threat to you having children nor to the survival of the species in general, and even if by some chance – from this day forward – every child were to be born gay, that would simply be nature’s way of saying there are far too many of you assholes. And, in fact, gay people can conceive children. Gay doesn’t mean sterile. Therefore, even if all future babies were born gay, they would still be able have children if they wanted.

        I’m still waiting for that proof.

      • The Flobbit

        At this rate the human race is slowly dying out and getting older, especially in places like the US and Europe, where homosexuality is more rampant than in India or China. You are forgetting that humans do not WANT to go extinct, and that if homos stopped getting new members, they would go extinct.

        Look, you’re dodging the answer: Homosexuality is wrong because it goes against the natural order of things. Isn’t that enough?

      • Johnny Bubonic

        It doesn’t matter if humans don’t want to go extinct. They are at the mercy of forces they simply cannot control, like their sexual orientations.

        If homosexuality goes against the natural order then how is it possible for it to exist?

      • The Flobbit

        You can control your sexual orientations and that is a known fact.

        It exists because in our modern society we have crafted a world where it is possible for almost anything to exist in the name of tolerance.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        You can control whether or not you act on your nature to a greater or lesser degree, but you cannot control the way nature itself put you together. It is a natural phenomenon, not a social construct. Not everything is tolerated. Far from it. That which is not tolerated is that which is perceived to be threatening. You perceive homosexuality to be threatening, because you believe homosexuality imperils the survival of the human race. Yet there are 7 billion people on the planet today in spite of the fact that homosexuality has existed biologically from the very beginning. You know, before all of this tolerance that sickens your soul. If homosexuality were the threat you believe it to be, the human race would have long since vanished, and yet, here we are, a species expected to add another billion to an already teeming population in the next decade.

      • The Flobbit

        You act like gays are gays because they are “hard wired” to be gays in their system, and that they cannot change this if they want. From what I see, this is not the case.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        I’m not “acting” like anything. Homosexuality predates humanity. It is apparent in species throughout the animal kingdom, species that do not ascribe a moral component to their sexual behavior. This happens because the behavior is genetically encoded in such beings. Beings who lack the rationality necessary to make choices in the way we understand them. This is pure instinct at work, and instinct is indeed “hard-wired” into the system. Homosexuality has existed everywhere and at all times, and yet it does no harm, which tells me it is a function of a larger evolutionary pattern with a legitimate natural source.

      • Kevin

        What are you basing this on?

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        Does it matter? If two consenting adults feel physical intimacy towards each other, should the reason “why” matter?

      • The Flobbit

        Should those two consenting adults then proceed to wear all the colors of the rainbow, walk butt-naked through the streets with only a G-string on, wear clothes that would make Liberace blush, and then proceed to lecture school-kids on how being gay is fun and hip?

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        Well, that’s not really happening on a daily basis (and the last one doesn’t happen at all unless you’re talking about the “It Gets Better” videos which is to help gay kids not kill themselves), but sure. It’s not illegal, and it doesn’t affect you in any way.

      • The Flobbit

        These things DO affect me and they affect my children who I want to grow up in the “normal” way if you will. They are subtly pushing their messages on younger and younger age demographics, in a pervasive and unethical manner.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        No, they’re not. I feel sorry for you. I really do. You’re going to find you and your insane beliefs continually marginalized every single day. You will die believing the world was against you and that your enemy won. That makes me incredibly sad.

      • The Flobbit

        Don’t feel sad for me. At least I don’t go through life feeling sad for people I’ve have never and will never meet,because they don’t share my views on human sexuality. Something REAL to be sad about would be a certain Collider reviewers seeming inability to enjoy most movies…

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        No. Much better to be upset about people you’ve never met getting married and posting incessantly about it on a comments section.

        But yes, take the well-worn and false criticism regarding my reviews. Never gets old.

      • The Flobbit

        False criticism? Criticism is never false – it’s criticism. The person might be *wrong*, but you cannot deny his/her criticisms.

        And answer me this. Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old girl. Child rape. He pleaded guilty to “rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14″.

        Why don’t people boycott Polanski? This shows that we consider homophobia to be a WORSE offense than raping a minor. Think on that, Matt.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        No, they’re not. I feel sorry for you. I really do. You’re going to find you and your insane beliefs continually marginalized every single day. You will die believing the world was against you and that your enemy won. That makes me incredibly sad.

      • Clement

        How hilarious would it be if your kids turned out to be gay. I know I’d laugh,

      • The Flobbit

        I would too.

      • Kevin

        wow.

      • Duh

        If you can control it, then you’re obviously not gay.

      • james

        Or maybe in crafting a world of tolerance, it has allowed people who were previously afraid to come out of the closet to actually do so.

      • The Flobbit

        Along with the necrophiliacs, the pedophiles, the rapists, the insane, and the mentally handicapped, right? I am not putting homosexuality up with those things, though we definitely seem to tolerate them all about the same…

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        So is most of the food we eat (hormones, artificial flavors, etc.), but I’m assuming you’re not a die-hard organic-food-only vegan.

      • SexualPreferences

        All of our bodies were, but not all of our minds. Imagine yourself in a homoerotic situation. If it’s unthinkable, then you know what it feels like to be a homosexual imagining to be straight.

        Don’t disregard psychology in your theory for the solution to global procreation.

      • Ryan Fink

        Our bodies also weren’t made to venture into space or go to the Moon. Does that make space exploration “wrong” or “unnatural”?

      • The Flobbit

        Being gay is not a triumph of technology and modern science, Ryan.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        There is no chance that everyone will be homosexual. It happens because nature allows it to happen. Procreation is not dependent upon sexual intercourse.

      • bombinUSA

        my spelling is fine you troglodyte.

      • Johnny Bubonic

        Your original post stated that mankind would “seize to exist,” not cease. Moron.

      • bombinUSA

        what the hell are you talking about you cock juggling thundercunt?

    • Kevin

      Because gays are people too. What if you found out people in your family and your friends were gay?

      • Clement

        Don’t worry, dude. They will. And their reactions will be brilliant.

      • bombinUSA

        why are you following me you slant eye gook? loll

    • Clement

      If everyone was as much of a douchebag as you, mankind would cease to exist. Because no self respecting woman would sleep with someone as damaged as you.

      • bombinUSA

        are you stalking me, F.A.G?

      • Clement

        Is that an acronym? I hadn’t pegged you as the creative type, but here you are making up your own words.

      • bombinUSA

        faggot ass geek. p.s dont you have better things to do on a friday night then stalking a dude on the internet? lol. get a life you queer.

  • bombinUSA

    being anti gay i will watch enders game and buy several copies of the book. :)
    homosexuality is just wrong!!!! if everyone were gay, mankind would cease to exist!!! how the hell can anyone be in support of something like that? In orson scott card i trust!!!

  • The Flobbit

    Who the fuck cares, really? Orson Scott Card is a genius writer who crafted the greatest science fiction novel of all time, and who cares if he’s homophobic? More people should be homophobic!

    • bombinUSA

      agreed!!!

    • Correlation without Causation

      Prove that being homophobic granted Orson Scott Card the talent to write “Ender’s Game”.

      Correlation without causation is science for those using lower brain functions.

      • The Flobbit

        I never, EVER said that being homophobic made Card a better writer. Judging without understanding is for those pretentious wannabe smartasses.

  • The Flobbit

    Who the fuck cares, really? Orson Scott Card is a genius writer who crafted the greatest science fiction novel of all time, and who cares if he’s homophobic? More people should be homophobic!

  • Nino

    Behind all this, there are people who put their time and effort in making this film, so yes, I’m seeing it. Reviews are decent enough.

  • Kevin

    Good article, Matt. Hatred is a weakness. I’m surprised how much homophobia there is in these comments. It’s pathetic.

  • Byron Ramirez Jr

    sweetasssweetcheeks

  • Ryan Fink

    Wait, so Card presumably still gets money from book sales (even if it’s pennies per book.) So, if the movie does well and Card sells more books, doesn’t Card still make money off the movie’s success?
    That said, I really like Ender’s game and some of the successor books and I will still go see this in the theater, even though I do not agree with Card’s social viewpoints.

  • Cjv95

    Does it really matter what ONE person thinks about gays getting married? Whether you support or not, everyone’s entitled to an opinion. This just seems blown out of proportion.

  • Debbum

    Roman Polanski raped a girl. Orson Scott Card is a Mormon who doesn’t believe in same sex marriage, but yeah, let’s all boycott him. Rather, let’s boycott an adaptation of his work that doesn’t even touch on the subject of same sex marriage, and from which he will receive not a penny of the box office gross.

    • Alexander Calvo

      This man funds orginizations that have helped make being gay a capital offense in african countries. If you think we don’t like him because of his beliefs your an idiot.

      • The Flobbit

        Go die in a fire.

      • Alexander Calvo

        Sorry that i care more about human rights than cool scifi movies.

      • Old Soldier

        Sources please.

      • Alexander Calvo

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Marriag
        Card was on the board of directors of this group until this year, what a coincidence. This group was a big supporter of this law…

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

        but i’m sure you’ll still go see the movie as most americans value cool movies with good special effects over 3rd world lives…

      • Old Soldier

        No, I will go see this movie because the book was excellent, I don’t live in those “3rd” world countries, and to fight the hypocrisy of groups like GLAAD and Geek OUT who want to deny a livelihood too anyone who holds an opposing view. Second, those African countries hated gays long before Orson Scott Card and his group came along.

      • Alexander Calvo

        Opposing views? Ok, so I should respect someones view if it is that slavery should be legal? Give me a break, this is a civil rights issue. Not all views are created equally. ideas don’t deserve respect just because they exist. Views lose respect when they try to take rights from others, or deny them in the first place. You sir, are a bad person.

      • Old Soldier

        “Not all views are created equally.” =
        ”All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

      • Old Soldier

        “Not all views are created equally.” =
        “All animals are created equal, just some are more equal than others.”

      • Old Soldier

        “Not all views are created equally.” =
        “All animal are created equal, just some are more equal than others.”

      • Old Soldier

        Opposing views=bad person in the mind of a “progressive”.
        Fight hate with hate.

      • Alexander Calvo

        People against civil rights are bad people. Would you argue against this on any other topic. that’s what you don’t understand when you are trying to take rights away from people you are a bad person. This ridiculous idea that ideas deserve respect for existing is garbage. Did the nazis have a valid argument? Di slave owning plantatino owners? Do african warlords with child armies have a respectable position? Give me a break. You are a bad person and an idiot.

      • Alexander Calvo

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Marriage

        card was on the board of directos until this year, what a coincidence! And this group was one of the prime supporters of this law….

      • Alexander Calvo
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