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by Matt Goldberg Posted:December 29th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
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Variety reports that there is an effort by a media coalition consisting of the major broadcast networks, Dow Jones & Co. and the Hearst Corporation to have the federal court trial over California’s Proposition 8, which restricts same-sex marriage in the state. The plaintiffs do not object to the broadcasting of the trial nor do their attorneys. However, cameras have never been allowed in federal courtrooms beyond covering oral arguments.
That may change with this case, officially called Perry v Schwarzenegger (who knew that he could do courtroom drama as well as action movies?), as there is an experimental basis with allowing coverage of some cases in order to better educate the public about the judicial process. The decision to broadcast and webcast the trial rests with U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn Walker. According to Variety, Walker has already set up an overflow courtroom with a closed-circuit feed, which will allow journalists to text and tweet during the proceedings (as long as it’s not disruptive so I hope no journalists LOL and certainly not ROTFLMAO or else everyone will be like WTF).
Hit the jump to learn why the defense is fighting against this attempt to broadcast the trial.
However, defenders of the proposition (unsurprisingly) object citing that exposure may subject witnesses and litigants to intimidation and a broadcast will undermine the right to a fair trial. Chris Cooper, attorney for the defense, referred to the heated aftermath of the 2008 election where Californians voted to amend their constitution to ban same-sex marriage, which was their dumbest decision since electing the star of Hercules in New York as their governor. Cooper cites the harrowing aftermath of the decision marked by protest rallies, marches and, in some cases, boycotts. To think that such non-violent, perfectly legitimate repercussions could happen again…it’s chilling to even think about it.
Thomas Burke, attorney and representative of the media coalition noted that since it’s a public trial, witnesses will be identified whether there are cameras or not. Burke also points out that the case is in the interest of the public, saying, “It is not about a crime or an individual. The issues in this case are political, social, and religious.”
Here’s my question: if the proponents of Prop. 8 are so confident in their victory last November and believe it was right to amend the constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage, then why wouldn’t they want to make their case in court with the whole nation watching live? I think we’d all benefit by seeing this play out in real time, and not just in 140 characters or less.
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cool of you to post this. “I think we’d all benefit by seeing this play out in real time” – agreed. we might actually become better people.
cool of you to post this. “I think we’d all benefit by seeing this play out in real time” – agreed. we might actually become better people.
To answer your question, read your own article. If you want the trial broadcast, you should have a word or two for your anti Prop 8 friends about their tactics: harassment, intimidation, blacklists, threats of “outing” people, vandalism of establishments and of cars with prop 8 stickers–not to mention calling black people traitors for their prop 8 support. If Prop 8 opponents are so confident in THEIR position, why do they need to resort to these tactics?
For the record, I’m in favor of it being broadcast.
To answer your question, read your own article. If you want the trial broadcast, you should have a word or two for your anti Prop 8 friends about their tactics: harassment, intimidation, blacklists, threats of “outing” people, vandalism of establishments and of cars with prop 8 stickers–not to mention calling black people traitors for their prop 8 support. If Prop 8 opponents are so confident in THEIR position, why do they need to resort to these tactics?
For the record, I’m in favor of it being broadcast.
sorry, so clarify this for me “Dogg” – you are concerned with the “outings”? “calling black people traitors”? sticker vandalism? these are your concerns? really? no – seriously…really? with a straight face – tell me this is really what concerns you about broadcasting a full airing of public grievances regarding prop 8.
sorry, so clarify this for me “Dogg” – you are concerned with the “outings”? “calling black people traitors”? sticker vandalism? these are your concerns? really? no – seriously…really? with a straight face – tell me this is really what concerns you about broadcasting a full airing of public grievances regarding prop 8.
Hmmm….. We’re willing to spend $46 million of our church dollars on a heavily televised media campaign, willing to canvas thousands of doors, and willing to beat the deck at the pulpit, crying hellfire and brimstone. But, to have our faces on TV and shown for the bigots we are? SCARY! No, don’t let us bee seen! Hide! HIDE!
One would think that all of the religious loons would jump at the opportunity of free coverage of their hateful views. This trial will certainly fetch them more coverage and soapbox time than their $46 million did and absolutely free at charge.
It’s an irony that these people are so convinced that their position is truth that they want it to be kept in the dark.
As the attorney guy already said, whether or not the Pro-8 witnesses have cameras shown on their face, their names will be published since it is a public trial, so it really doesn’t make a big difference anyway.
Hmmm….. We’re willing to spend $46 million of our church dollars on a heavily televised media campaign, willing to canvas thousands of doors, and willing to beat the deck at the pulpit, crying hellfire and brimstone. But, to have our faces on TV and shown for the bigots we are? SCARY! No, don’t let us bee seen! Hide! HIDE!
One would think that all of the religious loons would jump at the opportunity of free coverage of their hateful views. This trial will certainly fetch them more coverage and soapbox time than their $46 million did and absolutely free at charge.
It’s an irony that these people are so convinced that their position is truth that they want it to be kept in the dark.
As the attorney guy already said, whether or not the Pro-8 witnesses have cameras shown on their face, their names will be published since it is a public trial, so it really doesn’t make a big difference anyway.
Whether you’re religious or not, the facts stand on their own. I personally can’t look the same-sex couples I know in the eye and say, “yes, I want to make it easier for these statistics to increase:”
82% of all AIDS cases from sexual contact were from male to male contact in 2006. (CDC: Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006 HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, Volume 17, April 2008.)
Gay and bisexual men account for more than 60% of syphilis cases. (same source as above)
Males in same-sex relationships have increased chances of colon and rectal cancer and hepatitis. (same source as above)
Women in a same-sex relationship experience higher rates of breast cancer, cervical cancer, bacterial vaginosis and hepatitis C. (Gay and Lesbian Medical Health Association, “Ten Things Lesbians Should Discuss With Their Health Care Provider”)
These are not opinions from a religious or atheist perspective – but undeniable facts.
The most loving thing we can do is say “yes, I fully support this trend?”
You’ve illustrated, beautifully, why the court system is the proper venue to annihilate proposition 8. Instead of challenging your reckless ignorance, you can keep it. Once the court system declares proposition 8 unconstitutional, your ignorance is powerless.
We’re going to shred proposition 8, deliberately, in front of your homophobic, sexist eyes, and you can’t do a god-damn thing about it!
Whether you’re religious or not, the facts stand on their own. I personally can’t look the same-sex couples I know in the eye and say, “yes, I want to make it easier for these statistics to increase:”
82% of all AIDS cases from sexual contact were from male to male contact in 2006. (CDC: Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006 HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, Volume 17, April 2008.)
Gay and bisexual men account for more than 60% of syphilis cases. (same source as above)
Males in same-sex relationships have increased chances of colon and rectal cancer and hepatitis. (same source as above)
Women in a same-sex relationship experience higher rates of breast cancer, cervical cancer, bacterial vaginosis and hepatitis C. (Gay and Lesbian Medical Health Association, “Ten Things Lesbians Should Discuss With Their Health Care Provider”)
These are not opinions from a religious or atheist perspective – but undeniable facts.
The most loving thing we can do is say “yes, I fully support this trend?”
You’ve illustrated, beautifully, why the court system is the proper venue to annihilate proposition 8. Instead of challenging your reckless ignorance, you can keep it. Once the court system declares proposition 8 unconstitutional, your ignorance is powerless.
We’re going to shred proposition 8, deliberately, in front of your homophobic, sexist eyes, and you can’t do a god-damn thing about it!
This has nothing to do with religion or politics. It has to do with all people having the same rights in this country. Remember when women fought for the right to vote?. How about the Civil Rights mopvement?
This is another issue. I am a happily married heterosexual who just so happens to have a 20 year old gay son. I don’t want to hear any Bullshit about being gay is a choice. That’s a crock. Gays and Lesbians deserve the same rights as straight people, period.
As far as I’m concerned, most of our problems would go away if religion was abolished. All I ever hear from religious organizations is outright racism, bigotry, etc…..
California needs to overturn their decision and let people get on with their lives.
How many of you out there would like to be told that you weren’t worth the same as someone else and didn’t deserve the same rights? Anyone that thinks same sex marriage shouldn’t be allowed is a flat out homophob, plain and simple.
This has nothing to do with religion or politics. It has to do with all people having the same rights in this country. Remember when women fought for the right to vote?. How about the Civil Rights mopvement?
This is another issue. I am a happily married heterosexual who just so happens to have a 20 year old gay son. I don’t want to hear any Bullshit about being gay is a choice. That’s a crock. Gays and Lesbians deserve the same rights as straight people, period.
As far as I’m concerned, most of our problems would go away if religion was abolished. All I ever hear from religious organizations is outright racism, bigotry, etc…..
California needs to overturn their decision and let people get on with their lives.
How many of you out there would like to be told that you weren’t worth the same as someone else and didn’t deserve the same rights? Anyone that thinks same sex marriage shouldn’t be allowed is a flat out homophob, plain and simple.
Hello Matt, I agree with you %110 percent. You asked the right question. ” if the proponents of Prop. 8 are so confident in their victory last November and believe it was right to amend the constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage, then why wouldn’t they want to make their case in court with the whole nation watching live?” They don’t want the world to see them fail, miserably, in this trial. Not only is the mountain of evidence damning to the supporters of proposition 8, but they can’t answer the important questions raised by walker.
One question presented by Walker, the judge presiding over the trial, is how does same sex marriage effect opposite sex marriage. Cooper’s answer fell out of his mouth like a brick. ” I don’t know your honor. I don’t know.” It will be entertaining to see the fantastic “evidence” that he has undoubtedly created to answer this one, of many, important questions.
Of course they don’t want the world to see this great, religious failure!
Hello Matt, I agree with you %110 percent. You asked the right question. ” if the proponents of Prop. 8 are so confident in their victory last November and believe it was right to amend the constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage, then why wouldn’t they want to make their case in court with the whole nation watching live?” They don’t want the world to see them fail, miserably, in this trial. Not only is the mountain of evidence damning to the supporters of proposition 8, but they can’t answer the important questions raised by walker.
One question presented by Walker, the judge presiding over the trial, is how does same sex marriage effect opposite sex marriage. Cooper’s answer fell out of his mouth like a brick. ” I don’t know your honor. I don’t know.” It will be entertaining to see the fantastic “evidence” that he has undoubtedly created to answer this one, of many, important questions.
Of course they don’t want the world to see this great, religious failure!
Whether you are for or against Prop 8, this article has no place in an entertainment blog. If I wanted to read about this, I would read it on Google News. And if you want to report serious news like this, leave your snarky commentary out of it.
Whether you are for or against Prop 8, this article has no place in an entertainment blog. If I wanted to read about this, I would read it on Google News. And if you want to report serious news like this, leave your snarky commentary out of it.
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Glad you brought these issues up. http://hubpages.com/hub/Things-To-Know-About-Ma…
the remaining % are heterosexual contact, yet we do not ban heterosexual marriage!! STD'S and AIDS is nothing to be proud for any sexual behavior!