Simon Kinberg “Regrets” Where X-MEN: THE LAST STAND Ended Up; Confirms Quicksilver for X-MEN: APOCALYPSE

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In my look back at X-Men: The Last Stand, I noted that it wasn’t an awful film as much as it’s a frustrating one since it’s trying to pursue two storylines: “The Dark Phoenix Saga” and another about the mutant “cure”.  Simon Kinberg, who wrote the upcoming X-Men: Days of Future Past and co-wrote The Last Stand, also isn’t completely pleased with the 2006 film.  Specifically, he regrets “that “The Dark Phoenix story wasn’t the primary story of the movie.”  He goes on to tell say that he regrets where The Last Stand ended up, but like the characters in Days of Future Past, he now has an opportunity to right a past wrong.  “It’s sort of a chance for me to go back and do differently what I did ten years ago on ‘X3‘,” says Kinberg.

Hit the jump for more including a brief update on the next X-Men movie, X-Men: ApocalypseX-Men: Days of Future Past opens on Friday.

x-men-last-stand-patrick-stewart-famke-janssenWhen ScreenCrush asked Kinberg if he wouldn’t have fought as hard for Dark Phoenix had he known it wouldn’t be the main storyline, the writer-producer responded:

No, I would have fought harder for The Dark Phoenix. Listen, I think if we made that movie today, there are a lot of things that would be different. The universe today, culturally, is more open to a darker superhero film. And the darkness of her story was a little bit daunting on a huge $200 million studio movie. And, it would be less daunting today.

While I agree that audiences are now more receptive to darker superhero movies, I would still say that X-Men: The Last Stand is still pretty dark from a story perspective: Jean Grey kills her husband, disintegrates Professor X, and Wolverine is forced to kill the woman he loves.  The film’s tone betrays this darkness, but it’s certainly there as far as the Dark Phoenix’s actions are concerned.

But now in the present day, Kinberg is happy with the latest X-Men movie, and looking ahead to the next one, X-Men: Apocalypse, he told Total Film that Quicksilver would be returning:

We talked about bringing Scarlet Witch into the mix for [X-Men: Days of Future Past]. Actually, there was a little scene that we shot that we ended up cutting out of the movie that alluded to her. But it was sort of an interstitial scene that didn’t push the movie forward, so it ended up being cut…But [Quicksilver] would absolutely be back for the next X-Men movie.

Once you see Days of Future Past, you’ll probably be very happy about this news.  He’s easily one of the highlights of the movie.

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  • Stan

    I think it’s time to move on from Last Stand. I understand the frustration but how many times does everyone involved have to apologise for the movie lol? It’s like come on they made a mistake. Like Matt said in his review it wasn’t a bad movie just too much going on at once. In terms of the scale, action etc it was actually a fun movie. Just doesn’t live up to X2. But let’s hope the direction of the franchise can finally get people relaxed and over stuff in the past.

    • cruzzercruz

      As fun as it is to hate on, it’s true. It’s been a long time and we’ve had a bunch of new X-Men movies since, each with their own things to complain about!

    • The Flobbit

      Why is everyone so NICE all of a sudden? It was a very. poorly. made. movie: slow, shoddily edited, written, with action scenes lacked all subtlety and drama. Vinnie Jones was terrible, Beast was cartoonish, and Kitty Pryde was little more than a punchline. It was a complete bummer, and it messed up something so hard to mess up.

      I don’t care if Brett Ratner was brought in late. X-Men: The Last Stand is a bad movie.

      • paul h

        Not to mention that the storyline was basically just xmen 2.1…

      • paul h

        Not to mention that the storyline was basically just xmen 2.1…

      • Aquartertoseven

        It’s decent. Not very good, not great, just decent. It isn’t as bad as the likes of Thor 2, Iron Man 2, MoS, TASM etc. so I don’t know why people go on about it so much, especially when the above superhero films are a lot worse.

      • The Flobbit

        No. No to EVERYTHING you just said.

      • Aquartertoseven

        That’s because you’ve been overcome by the internet fanboy hive mentality, rather than seeing sense.

      • The Flobbit

        NO. Just no. I could bother to refute you, but that would take too long, so I’ll just say this: Literally everything you said is a complete no.

      • Aquartertoseven

        No-one thinks you’re cool here, all of the internet fanboys have gone, you can be honest about the film now. I won’t judge you. In fact I’ll respect you.

      • Aquartertoseven

        No-one thinks you’re cool here, all of the internet fanboys have gone, you can be honest about the film now. I won’t judge you. In fact I’ll respect you.

      • The Flobbit

        Ok, you want me to be honest? Last Stand was horrible, a waste of everything good in a superhero movie. Remember “I’m da Jugganaut, BITCH!”? Thor 2 had some good visuals, and I like the character design, but it’s forgettable and dumb. Iron Man 2 was boring, and poorly made. Man of Steel was more ambitious than it should have been, and it missed the mark. TASM is an atrocity and a butchering of Spider-Man.

        In terms of what it could have been, but instead WAS, Last Stand goes at the bottom. However, Thor 2 didn’t even try, and Iron Man 2 was kind of a clusterf-ck, and I detest TASM with a vengeance, so they’re ALL pretty low on my list.

        Man of Steel, however, is marginally better than all of them.

      • Aquartertoseven

        It wasn’t horrible, that was a funny line and I agree with what you said about the other films. Last Stand is a 6.5/10 imo, hardly a great film, but it’s decent. Decent humour, dialogue, action etc. The jump down from great to just decent is a real drop, but frankly, if you watch The Last Stand now (without the bias), you’ll enjoy it. It’s kinda fun.

      • milo

        While they’re not Marvel’s best, I’d still take any of the Iron Man or Thor movies over X3. Those are just underwhelming, nothing in any of them I’d actually consider “bad” other than Kat Dennings, and she’s not enough to ruin them. Can’t comment on MOS or either of the new Spidey movies.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Thor 2 didn’t have a plot or character development (other than Loki, who’s barely in it) and IM2 was just an Avengers setup rather than its own thing.

        X3 had plenty of good scenes, good lines, lots of fun action. People need to get over the fanboy hyperbole and get real.

      • milo

        Thor 2 and IM2 had plenty of good scenes, good lines, lots of fun action.
        People need to get over the fanboy hyperbole and get real.

        I agree that X3 wasn’t horrible, but neither were those two marvel flicks. People are entitled to their own opinions…or should we write off your opinions as overcome by the internet fanboy hive mentality, rather than seeing sense…or that you didn’t enjoy them because of “bias”?

        And the only thing about IM2 that was Avengers setup was including Black Widow, while it wasn’t as good as the first, the problem wasn’t that it didn’t stand on its own.

      • Aquartertoseven

        X3 works as a film, it’s a fun movie. Enjoyable. It has a story, character development etc.

        Thor 2 doesn’t have either. IM2′s better but still not more than okay.

        X3>>Iron Man 2>>>>>Thor 2.

      • milo

        Thor 2 and IM2 had plenty of good scenes, good lines, lots of fun action.
        People need to get over the fanboy hyperbole and get real.

        I agree that X3 wasn’t horrible, but neither were those two marvel flicks. People are entitled to their own opinions…or should we write off your opinions as overcome by the internet fanboy hive mentality, rather than seeing sense…or that you didn’t enjoy them because of “bias”?

        And the only thing about IM2 that was Avengers setup was including Black Widow, while it wasn’t as good as the first, the problem wasn’t that it didn’t stand on its own.

    • The Flobbit

      I will say, it had one good moment, and that was Mystique lying in the fetal position in that truck. That was moving.

      • Guest

        You mean when Rebecca Romaine was lying there all naked?
        Oh, yeah. Something on me “moved”…

      • The Flobbit

        No, it was the relationship between Magneto and Mystique, as his best friend became the very type of person he fights against.

    • Person

      People rag on it but it really wasn’t as bad as everyone says. X-Men Origins was far worse, and there are at least a half-dozen other superhero titles that are much lesser than X3. Personally, I even prefer X3 to X1, but it’s been several years since I’ve seen either. Anyway, point being that bashing it is just fashionable – in all honesty, it’s not terrible. It’s just mediocre, which is not what people wanted from the trilogy-capper.

      I am happy that Ratner isn’t blamed as much as he initially was. It truly wasn’t his fault that the movie ended up so bland, and honestly, he did a more than competent job, all things considered.

      • ScratStitch

        I just tried to defend Ratner in the comments section of another article, and someone responded by “wanting to know what I looked like.” So there are still the idiots out there who just want to ignore facts.

      • ScratStitch

        I just tried to defend Ratner in the comments section of another article, and someone responded by “wanting to know what I looked like.” So there are still the idiots out there who just want to ignore facts.

    • enderandrew

      I just rewatched them all with my daughter before taking her to the new one.

      It isn’t just that stories didn’t end up how comic book fans wanted. It really is a bad movie. The dialogue is ham-fisted. It features soap opera-like exchanges. Characters like Angel were forced in simply to add in characters that really serve no purpose in the story.

      Because the X-Men don’t know where Magneto is, they spend half the movie sitting on their ass with no direction.

      The big action finish starts off well, but the actual end with Wolverine and Jean is anti-climactic.

      Furthermore, the movie robs itself of dramatic tension when they kill Xavier and cure Magneto only to undo both in the ending.

      • the king of comedy

        The movie had many things going for it (The dark phoenix saga is arguably the best x-men saga), but moments such as Cyclops dying, Charles Xavier dying, magneto no longer being a mutant, jean`s death and even mystique`s sacrifice should have been huge, but they weren`t, because the tone, dialogue and pacing of the movie were awful. the movie felt overstuffed but the worst thing is that nothing left an impact, that being said it`s still much better than the awful wolverine movie and some other movies they make nowadays.

    • evinrude

      Who apologized? Must have missed that.

    • Doug

      It’s just part of the discussion now. Whenever people discuss the X-Men movies, there will be hate for X3. Just like whenever people discuss Star Wars, there will be complaints about the prequels. Just because time has passed doesn’t mean these movies have stopped being bad.

    • Doug

      It’s just part of the discussion now. Whenever people discuss the X-Men movies, there will be hate for X3. Just like whenever people discuss Star Wars, there will be complaints about the prequels. Just because time has passed doesn’t mean these movies have stopped being bad.

  • Delahunte

    Matt – just curious, have you already seen Days of Future Past?

    • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

      Yes. Saw it last night.

      • the king of comedy

        I guesss we`ll be seeing your review soon but by the sound of it and your toughts on previous X-Men movies I think you liked it a lot.

  • The Flobbit

    Simon Kinberg: “This is me admitting it was a bad movie. Don’t hold me against me!”

  • ScratStitch

    FACT: The studio was (rightfully) uncomfortable making the Dark Phoenix storyline the “main story” in a $200 million X-Men film, with the fear that only diehard fans of the comics would appreciate it. The writers fought to include it at all, but I think most people would’ve disliked the film MORE if the main storyline had just been a beloved character being an almost demonic killer goddess. Balancing it out with the “lighter” cure story at least allowed for some “happy” endings (such as Rouge finally being able to get into a relationship where she can actually, you know, touch her boyfriend without killing him). In the end, the studio and the writers compromised. It’s just how these things work.

    Also, killing Cyclops only happened once Singer stole him for Superman Returns (I’ve been called out for “lying” about this elsewhere, but the writers confirm this to be true in a 2006 interview).

    And, I’m sorry, but this whole “righting the wrongs of X-Men 3″ is just STUPID!!! It’s just baiting whiny internet fanboys, even if it means destroying the franchise. What are they even accomplishing with this? The chances to do the Dark Phoenix storyline AGAIN, because does anyone REALLY want to see a previous movie’s plot done over?! Is it just to please the guys who thought that Rouge losing her powers was “out of character,” even though on the DVD you can see an alternate ending where she DOESN’T give up her killer powers and it just feels SO ARTIFICIAL!!! It’s time to get over this stuff already. It’s not like The Last Stand was Alien 3.

    • evinrude

      “It’s not like The Last Stand was Alien 3.” No,it’s not.ALIEN 3 was a much better film.

      • Guest

        Oh, come on. Alien 3 was not better than X3.
        X3 was flawed to be certain but Alien 3 was total crap.

      • evinrude

        Well,it’s an unwinnable argument.We’ll have to agree to disagree.

      • The Flobbit

        No! Never agree to disagree! Go to the death fighting the other anonymous internet commenter! Never give in!

      • milo

        I was thinking the same thing, while Alien 3 was weak, I’d still watch it again over X3. I was surprised to see that X3 had a better rating on rotten tomatoes.

    • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

      Well based on the fact that Magneto got his powers back, was Rogue’s ending really that happy? More likely she’d realize her powers were back midway through a romantic entanglement and her partner would be gasping for the last shreds of his life. So her ending really only seemed happy, but it would likely have been tragic.

      • ScratStitch

        That may end up being the case, yes (or it could be that Magneto is so powerful that he was more likely to “will it.”) But regardless of how it turned out, I don’t think it was “out of character” for her to take the “cure.” Who WOULDN’T want that power gone?

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        The ability to “will” the powers back would kind of fly in the face of the entire X-Men premise of genetics. She only wants it gone because she hasn’t permanently absorbed flight and super-strength. She’s so shortsighted.

      • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

        The ability to “will” the powers back would kind of fly in the face of the entire X-Men premise of genetics. She only wants it gone because she hasn’t permanently absorbed flight and super-strength. She’s so shortsighted.

      • ScratStitch

        That may end up being the case, yes (or it could be that Magneto is so powerful that he was more likely to “will it.”) But regardless of how it turned out, I don’t think it was “out of character” for her to take the “cure.” Who WOULDN’T want that power gone?

    • http://www.JustPressPlay.net Lex Walker

      Well based on the fact that Magneto got his powers back, was Rogue’s ending really that happy? More likely she’d realize her powers were back midway through a romantic entanglement and her partner would be gasping for the last shreds of his life. So her ending really only seemed happy, but it would likely have been tragic.

    • Christopher Harper

      Have you seen the Alien 3 Assembly Cut? Actually a really good movie. Beautifully shot, with a great central performance by Weaver (as expected). The additional scenes even give the different prisoners some character. Apart from a few dodgy effects, an extremely good movie, especially given the circumstances it was made under, which were way worse that X3, which was just badly done.

    • Christopher Harper

      Have you seen the Alien 3 Assembly Cut? Actually a really good movie. Beautifully shot, with a great central performance by Weaver (as expected). The additional scenes even give the different prisoners some character. Apart from a few dodgy effects, an extremely good movie, especially given the circumstances it was made under, which were way worse that X3, which was just badly done.

  • James

    So we know Quicksilver lives through Days of Future Past. Glad they spoiled it for us.

    • RiddleThemThis

      Did you actually think he was going to die? Did they spoil it when they announced Xavier and Wolverine made it through the film as well?

    • eternalozzie

      This movie has X-men in it … sorry to spoil it for you :/ …. any excuse to put Evan in a movie or TV show is great in my book.

  • Strong Enough

    This has become the Simon Kinberg fan site all of a sudden

  • ʝoe ßloggs

    Jean killed Scott? Nooooooooo!!!

  • Basil Nolan

    The Last Stand was decent at most. Subpar compared to others in the franchise, but not really that terrible.

  • livefree

    I have seen X-men Days of Future Past last night…
    I give 80% fresh for that film…
    Quicksilver is awesome…
    Great job…

    Can’t wait for X-men Apocalypse

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