Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach Comment on a Potential Marvel Movie Crossover for THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN

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Recent news of an X-Men: Days of Future Past post-credits tease at the end of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had the internet all in a tizzy over the potential for a Marvel movie crossover in the future.  Although we updated our story to explain that this move was more to calm tensions between studios than it was to excite the fandom, there might yet exist some misunderstanding out there in the world.  Enter Spider-Man producers Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach.  Both have offered up their comments on a potential crossover between the friendly neighborhood web-slinger and other Marvel franchises; it doesn’t seem likely with Arad convinced there are plenty of spider-stories to tell, and Tolmach likening the appearance of Spider-Man in, say, The Avengers, as a “stunt.”  Hit the jump for more.

the-amazing-spider-man-2-andrew-garfieldIn an interview with IGN, Arad and Tolmach fielded questions about the rumored crossover between The Amazing Spider-Man franchise and either of the Marvel superhero series set up at Fox or Disney.  Arad pulled no punches as to his opinion of that ever happening:

“I think I’m probably a little bit of the militant here. I think it will take a moment in which we’ve run out of ideas. There’s so much to tell about Spider-Man. There’s so much to tell about the Sinister Six. The relationship between Spider-Man and Venom will bring a whole other world in … But we really feel very confident that we have so much to do […] Peter Parker is unique; he’s really different. He’s not an Avenger. He’s not an X-Man. He’s unique and we revere that.”

No surprise, Tolmach seems to be on board with Arad, saying:

“When you think about the Sinister Six and you think about Venom and you think about Carnage and you think Spider-Man in whatever way you want in association with those movies, they feel like they’re built for Spider-Man. Like that’s where his story needs to go and wants to go and it has to be about more than a stunt.

Stunts can be cool but it’s also a business, and so the other side of the answer is they’re owned by different companies. And there’s a ton left in Sony’s world; there’s a lot of business left because there’s a lot of story left. So for them to want to take this character and put it with Marvel and Disney is a huge undertaking and probably, as Avi’s saying, isn’t necessary until you feel like, ‘Wow, we’re sort of out of ideas. What should we do?’ And we’re far from out of ideas.”

So there you have it.  There appears to be lots left in the tank over at Sony, so expect them to exhaust fifty-plus years worth of Spider-Man stories before considering any crossovers that would require splitting the box office take with rival studios.  This should come as little surprise considering the studio already has The Amazing Spider-Man 3 due out June 10, 2016, with a spin-off of The Sinster Six also on the books.  We’ll see how The Amazing Spider-Man 2 sets all this up when it (eventually) opens on American shores on May 2nd.

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  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    Well…shit. That really sucks that basically Sony’s going to milk the franchise until it dries up and won’t even consider partering up w Marvel Studios in the future. Sorry Avi but Spider-man is an Avenger (pick up a comic book). This just sucks all around. Was really hoping that at a worst case scenario that the two studios could figure out something but it appears that Sony’s never gonna budge off of their one trick pony for keeing a presence in the superhero world.

    • Faptain America

      I think they’re thinking “why diminish Spider-Man by putting him in the same frame as the box office behemoth that is Iron Man?” He’ll get treated like another Captain America with webs.
      Spider-Man is (or was pre-2012) a brand on par with Batman, Superman. They seem to think that he’s big enough standalone. Time will tell.

      • Spoder-man

        Upvote for your name alone

      • Faptain America

        Why thank you. :D

      • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

        I’m compelled to agree. But also with the general point of the post. At this point, before we know how AS-M2 does at the box office, Spider-Man is actually a stronger brand than Superman (who had 2 films in the past 20 years or so, that made $391M and $668M respectively, while the Spider-Man films have averaged more than $800M over 4 films in the past 10 years or so).

        I’m also pretty sure Sony and Arad (and whoever) are milking Spider-Man too hard. I am deeply uninterested in a Venom movie. Or Sinister Six. Fuck that shit, give me a couple of really good Spidey films instead. Like the Spider-Man 3 I have in my head where the only villain is Sandman and there is no shoehorned-in, terrible Venom side story.

      • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

        I’m compelled to agree. But also with the general point of the post. At this point, before we know how AS-M2 does at the box office, Spider-Man is actually a stronger brand than Superman (who had 2 films in the past 20 years or so, that made $391M and $668M respectively, while the Spider-Man films have averaged more than $800M over 4 films in the past 10 years or so).

        I’m also pretty sure Sony and Arad (and whoever) are milking Spider-Man too hard. I am deeply uninterested in a Venom movie. Or Sinister Six. Fuck that shit, give me a couple of really good Spidey films instead. Like the Spider-Man 3 I have in my head where the only villain is Sandman and there is no shoehorned-in, terrible Venom side story.

    • Faptain Falcon

      If Arad feels like having Spidey appear in the Avengers is a “stunt”, then why were they trying to put the OsCorp tower into the Avengers??

      Outside of unnecessary reboots, I feel like the most frustrating thing in Hollywood right now is how all of Marvel’s characters are split into different studios, and there can never be any chance of crossover until the rights revert, or some miraculous deal between the two companies happens. I really wish Marvel/Disney would just buy back all of their movie rights and finally bring all of their characters home. After doing that, then maybe they can still strike a deal with Fox or Sony to help make their movies and expand upon the vast X-Men and Spidey universes within the MCU. This would allow Marvel to continue to delve into their more obscure characters like Guardians of the Galaxy, while Fox and Sony continue making X-Men and Spidey movies & spin-offs. It’d be a win-win for both studios, with Fox and Sony still reaping a portion of the profits, and Marvel regaining their entire character roster to use in any way they like (e.g. Civil War, Avengers, etc).

    • RedMercury

      Sorry Avi but Spider-man is an Avenger (pick up a comic book).

      Depends on which Avengers book you pick up.

      I haven’t been reading comics for 10 years, but last I knew, Spiderman was considered a “reserve Avenger.” So I did some wikipeding and found that there is a “New Avengers” book where Spiderman is an Avenger. But there are other Avengers books where he is not.

      Personally, I was sorry to not see Spiderman in the Avengers movie because New York City was getting trashed and Spidey would have definitely been on the front lines for that. I wouldn’t have wanted to see Peter Parker or any back-story–merely having him join the fight at the end would have been enough.

    • pro346

      Disney did the same with ironman! After avengers 3 watch the mcu dry up

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        How do you figure? Do you have any idea how many characters Marvel has?

      • pro346

        lots of uninteresting ones….if they had any value they would of been used or sold off now

      • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

        Yeah. You’re right. No one saw any of the Iron Man films. And that Thor! What were they thinking? Who would pay to see some long-haired guy with a magical hammer!

        It’s Insanity!

        And they have this Captain Someone-or-the-other. Why even bother? They just too uninteresting.

        It’s never make money. If I were you I’ get rid of the Disney stock before Marvel sinks the company.

      • pro346

        lots of uninteresting ones….if they had any value they would of been used or sold off now

  • Jack le Critic

    The X-Men clip is basically an advert for the movie during the credits. It bears no relevance to Spidey. It actually smacked of desperation.

    • Kraven the Hunter

      Well at least I know I won’t have to waste time waiting for the credits to end for TASM2. How could they not at least have a teaser for TASM3? Or is what I’m hearing true in that TASM2 is just one giant commercial for the next installment (similar to Catching Fire was)?

      • Jack le Critic

        My advice? Don’t waste your money watching it. The rom-com bits are fine, but as a superhero movie it stinks.

      • Kraven the Hunter

        I think I’ll still give it a chance, but I’m not expecting too much. Does look a little better than the first TASM though

      • RecoveR

        It’s a good movie, not great, but good, it’s a good time at the cinema, the story is no “Dark knight” obviously, but with the higher standard set lately, especially with Cap 2- it’s bound to disappoint some. I’d say definitely go see it in the cinema. the superhero bits are great too.

      • milo

        Catching Fire? That was a great movie, most people seemed to think it was better than the first.

  • Strong Enough

    Miles Morales on the reboot

    • RedMercury

      I gotta admit, I wonder about that. Does Sony have the rights to “Miles Morales, the Amazing Spiderman”?

      • Strong Enough

        good question. i know marvel can’t say spider man in any of their movies or get a bigfat lawsuit so i’m guess sony owns it

    • Doug

      I support this. The world needs more color in these superhero movies.

    • kevinvannatter

      I heard Bryan Singer really, really, REALLY wants to direct that one.

      • Strong Enough

        buzz zing

      • Amanda

        Ew that’s so creepy.

      • Amanda

        Ew that’s so creepy.

  • Lance

    This stinks. Still, if Sony’s original Spider-Man hadn’t been such a success, maybe the way wouldn’t have been paved for Marvel to do their own thing.

    Spidey really would be the best addition to the MCU, so it’s a shame we’d have to wish for his movies to tank at the box office before Sony ever lets him go. Heck, even if this latest series did poorly Sony would probably try to reboot the franchise one more time.

    • Jack le Critic

      Marvel have got to buy the rights back, that’s the only way. Sony’s movies make enough money just because of the sheer popularity of the character, not because they’re actually any good.

      • lordjim

        they are still better than thor 1 and 2, iron man 2,3 and the hulk movies.

      • Jack le Critic

        Hmmm, I’ll give you Iron Man 2 and the Hulk – but not the others. The first Thor’s a great movie.

  • yrulaughing

    “Peter Parker… he’s not an Avenger”
    F*** you, yes he is. You’re an Avenger if you’re a member of the Avengers, which Spider-Man is, in the comics (which perhaps Avi Arad has never read)

    Peter Parker is unique; he’s really different. He’s not an Avenger.
    Read more at http://collider.com/spider-man-movie-crossover-avi-arad-matt-tolmach/#vctBkXssR4UdHtSu.99
    Peter Parker is unique; he’s really different. He’s not an Avenger.
    Read more at http://collider.com/spider-man-movie-crossover-avi-arad-matt-tolmach/#vctBkXssR4UdHtSu.99
    Peter Parker is unique; he’s really different. He’s not an Avenger
    Read more at http://collider.com/spider-man-movie-crossover-avi-arad-matt-tolmach/#vctBkXssR4UdHtSu.99
    Peter Parker is unique; he’s really different. He’s not an Avenger
    Read more at http://collider.com/spider-man-movie-crossover-avi-arad-matt-tolmach/#vctBkXssR4UdHtSu.99

  • Faptain America

    Does this mean I can has DC/Marvel crossover?

  • Neo Racer

    Oh they will do it, when all the stars we loved who played them wont wanna do it anymore, so it’ll be some lesser known actors playing those roles. LOL!

  • mattinacan

    it will never happen because the worlds aren’t connected, it wouldn’t make sense. also TAMS2 is awful, even more forgettable than the first it’s hard to believe.

  • https://www.facebook.com/MyPassion4Life?ref=hl Javan Clark

    Spider Man is the Face of Marvel Comics. To say him teaming up with the rest of the Marvel U is a stunt shows that Arad is out of touch with the material and should move on. The Strength of the Marvel Universe rests in the idea that it’s a shared universe. Spider Man and the Avengers is so much more than a stunt.

    It’s an ugly thing to watch a property worth so much to so many treated the way Spider Man has been treated.. his home is in the Marvel U. If you aren’t willing to make that happen then you aren’t willing to honor the character.

    • Jean Andre Vizueta

      yes it’s sad that over the years Iron man and other superheroes have already taken slowly his spot as the marvel posterboy and with the new franchises they’re building he won’t be necessary anymore in the MCU while the spidey franchise suffers from fatigue because they’re already out of ideas

    • MJ

      Not in the 21st century.

      You are living in the 20th century.

      Been there, done that.

  • Matt1

    Fuck Avi Arab!!!

  • Oliver Queen

    Just saw TASM2 and it’s one of the best superhero films for me, have to watch it again soon. :D Emma and Andrew were “amazing” in it.

    • Matt1

      Hey Oliver, tell your bosses over at Sony to stick to making tv’s and stereos.

    • MJ

      Yea, maybe reintroduce the Walkman again, because these movies suck.

  • Colin Christian

    Sony have made it very clear that they will never ever give Spidey back to Marvel,it will never happen.

  • utazdevl

    This is silly. There is absolutely no reasonable reason why Spider-man, X-men, Fantastic 4 and The Avengers can’t live in the same film universe. Sony, Fox and Marvel/Disney could easily decide to co-finance projects, which is something studios used to do all the time, especially on big budget projects, as multiple studios mitigates the risk.

    The problem here is that Marvel refuses to accept that the old regime guys sold the film rights to so Spidey, X-Men and Fantastic Four to Sony and Fox, and are actively trying to get Sony and Fox to give those rights back. Marvel quietly hopes these projects fail and the studios will lose interest in making films from these franchises, so they can take back the rights and make them themselves. Because of this negativity no one is willing to play nicely and it is a shame.

    • MJ

      Yes, I mean let’s have a unification movie where we have like 50 characters from all the properties, including DC even. Bring them all together finally.

      (sarcasm)

      • utazdevl

        No one is suggesting over-saturation, but we should definitely be able to get Spider-man teaming up with his Avengers partners, or even the famous Avengers vs. X-Men storyline.

      • MJ

        We have a major logic gap already associated with the logic problems with people already seeing movies like The Winter Solider with no explanations as to why some of the other Avengers didn’t show up to assist? The more characters you add, the more problematic this situation gets. And to add the X-Men, which you could argue has an already established ALTERNATE HISTORY much different from the Avengers movies, would just be dumb-ass…it would be too much for me to suspend disbelief over to enjoy.

      • utazdevl

        All problems that can be fixed by an intelligent script

  • alk

    wow for “intelligent producers” they come across as really dumb. Nobody ever said that spider-man had to be a major or integral part of the Avengers team(despite what the comic books say). He could have literally a cameo in the next Avengers and that would be their way of testing the waters. If most of the audience don’t like Spider-man’s take in Avengers, then no skin off their nose. Continue with their own spider-man solo movies as is. This might have been the only time ever in cinematic history where they could have paired both Spiderman and x-men in the Avengers movies while they’re MASSIVE….now they’re gonna wait until their spider-man movies either dry up after the Nth sequel, or people end up hating the third movie and demand a reboot. Either way, they will have missed the boat in making TONS of money off of just the popularity in Avengers alone. oh well dumbos

  • gav31

    Just a question, I take it the TV rights are completely independent of the movie rights, right? Ultimate Spiderman on DisneyXD exists in the Marvel Cinematic universe, with Fury, Avengers, SHIELD, etc being an integral part to that series. What’s stopping from a live action version of Spidey appearing in an episode of Agents of SHIELD for example?

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  • AprilshouldbeRedhead

    I like how they changed the pic to Spiderman from Avi arad to gwet people to CLICK on this NEWSLESS story

  • Jack le Critic

    I’d like to complain about the stupid amount of Sony product placement in the movie.

  • http://www.beatific-design.com Beatific

    I thought Spider-Man had been an Avenger at some point? Good to know the producers know the source material.

  • Royale With Cheese

    Yep, only a matter of time.

  • kevinvannatter

    Why ruin Spider-man by throwing him in those awful Disney movies? At least if it is kept separate, there is a chance that it might not be some green screen bullshit like Thor 2 or some cookie-cutter summer blockbuster kids flick like The Avengers.

    • MJ

      You are being sarcastic, right?

  • Person

    At the rate they’re going with this Spider-Man series, quality-wise at least, I’d say Marvel dodged a bullet here…

  • http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepr1xp/index.html unsean

    Admittedly it would be a stunt, but I still think it would be awesome to see Spider-Man swing by during the Avengers.

  • MJ

    “I think I’m probably a little bit of the militant here. I think it will take a moment in which we’ve run out of ideas. There’s so much to tell about Spider-Man. There’s so much to tell about the Sinister Six. The relationship between Spider-Man and Venom will bring a whole other world in … But we really feel very confident that we have so much to do. Peter Parker is unique; he’s really different. He’s not an Avenger. He’s not an X-Man. He’s unique and we revere that.”

    I think I am going to throw up. What a crock of shit of self-justification for Sony’s lame attempt at a broader franchise.

    • ozzie96

      Exactly. How is The Sinister six NOT a stunt?

    • ozzie96

      Exactly. How is The Sinister six NOT a stunt?

  • http://www.discogs.com/ AdamShitwood

    There are so many stories. Reboots the franchise.

  • http://www.discogs.com/ AdamShitwood

    There are so many stories. Reboots the franchise.

  • Richard K.

    “There’s so much to tell about Spider-Man.” True. And yet we got “jazz hands.”

  • Richard K.

    “There’s so much to tell about Spider-Man.” True. And yet we got “jazz hands.”

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