Roberto Orci in Talks to Direct STAR TREK 3 [Updated: Orci Unofficially Confirmed as Director]

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Paramount Pictures is nearing its director choice for Star Trek 3, and the name is sure to make plenty (rightfully) wary of the upcoming sci-fi sequel.  With J.J. Abrams busy in a galaxy far, far away for the foreseeable future, Paramount has been searching for a new director to take the helm of the lucrative Trek franchise.  They came close with Attack the Block director Joe Cornish, but the filmmaker subsequently backed out due to his reluctance to step into an already established franchise.

A few weeks ago, we heard that Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness scribe Roberto Orci was lobbying hard for the job complete with Abrams’ blessing, and now it appears that the screenwriter/producer is in formal negotiations to make his directorial debut on Trek 3.  Read on after the jump. [Updated with unofficial confirmation after the jump.]

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[Update: Variety reports that their sources have confirmed Orci is on board Star Trek 3 as the director.  The original story follows below.]

The folks over at Deadline report that Roberto Orci has emerged as the clear frontrunner to direct Star Trek 3 and is now in talks to take the helm.  Though he has not directed before, Orci has been intimately involved in the Trek franchise as a writer and producer since the 2009 reboot, and has plenty of experience crafting large-scale tentpole films.  Along with his writing partner Alex Kurtzman, Orci has penned the screenplays for blockbuster films like Transformers, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Mission: Impossible III, and most recently The Amazing Spider-Man 2.  As such, he won’t be entirely out of his element should he find himself in control of the Trek franchise.

But Orci’s involvement as the Captain of Star Trek is troubling for other reasons.  His screenplays are heavily tailored to match studio interests and appeal to the widest possible audiences, resulting in mostly bland and forgettable scripts.  Moreover, his controversial ideologies sometimes bleed heavily into his work, as evidenced by all the “false flag” stuff from Into Darkness.  I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I’m highly skeptical of an Orci-led Star Trek film.  At least in the first two movies we had the counterbalance of Abrams and, to a lesser extent, Damon Lindelof, but if Orci does indeed take over as director, Trek 3 will be all his; he’s even writing the screenplay with two of his protégés, J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay.

This news comes on the heels of word that Orci and Kurtzman have ended their lucrative film partnership, as both are going their separate ways in favor of carving out directorial careers.  Kurtzman has one feature under his belt as director, 2012’s People Like Us, and he’s currently attached to direct Sony’s Spider-Man spinoff Venom.  As of now, he has no involvement in Trek 3.

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  • Batzombie

    Ugh, this is a horrible decision. “Hey, let’s give the franchise to the guy responsible for all of the worst parts of the first 2!”

    • Leo Spaceman

      and Transformers and The Amazing Spiderman and Cowboys and Aliens

  • Christian

    I’d rather have William Shatner direct another ‘Star Trek’ movie than Roberto Orci. ‘Into Darkness’ was proof of two things: that Orci doesn’t know the difference between homage and copying, and that he has zero understanding of what makes ‘Star Trek’ special.

    I really wish they would hire Nicholas Meyer to write and direct for this new cast.

    • Neo Racer

      Meyer is too old school. That Star Trek is long gone.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        I don’t think so. I like the Star Trek TNG movies. I hate the new Star Trek’s Kirk, Spock, and Uhura trio.

      • MJ

        “I like the Star Trek TNG movies.”

        ….and so the credibility of “Tree Rock Creations” had vanished forever from Collider.com.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        You wish you had that kind of power. The Star Trek TNG movies are better written and “way better” directed. LOL Live in your fantasy land, little one. Just wait until JJ screws with Star Wars. :)

      • MJ

        Sorry, my friend. There was one OK TNG movie — First Contact. The rest completely and totally sucked. Go on any movie review site with critical and fan ratings, and you can verify this for yourself if you don’t believe me.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Well, I wouldn’t say they sucked. However, I will say they were a little slow. The stories could have been told within an hour rather than two.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        So you think that Carl Urban should take a back seat to Uhura when Carl Urban is the best actor in the entire crew? If you do, then your creditably is lost.

        At least the entire Star Trek TNG crew can act. Carl Urban is the only believable character and actor in the new Star Trek films. And the writers barely use him.

    • enderandrew

      If we’re bringing back old Trek directors, why not Jonathon Frakes?

      • LolTrol

        Because Thunderbirds.
        THUN-DUH-BUHRDS.

        And Clockstoppers.

      • Christian

        That would be great, too. I think he should get more work. ‘First Contact’ was easily one of the best Trek movies – second for me, behind ‘Voyage Home’ – and ‘Insurrection’ is under-appreciated.

      • Doug

        I think Insurrection is a fine movie. No where near the turd that is Nemesis.

      • MCP

        I was thinking Brannon Braga, though I wanna say he’s involved with Sleepy Hollow…?

    • Alboone

      Meyer would’ve been a truly inspired choice. Good call.

    • HeSaidSheSaidMv

      If Shatner or Meyer were involved, nobody would go see it. Don’t you remember? Star Trek had to become Star Wars/Indiana Jones in Space in order to draw an audience.

      • lordjim

        well, i might be wrong but i believe the audience is not as dumb as the last two star trek movies were.

    • NormandyTrooper

      Invoking Nicholas Meyer makes you my Internet hero of the day. The other text wasn’t too shabby either, well said.

  • Neo Racer

    oh please god no…

  • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

    Yeah, this is probably about as bad as having JJ do one more. Not looking good, folks.

    • JBug

      Why does everybody hate on JJ Abrams? He has made great movies and has been behind a lot of quality projects. Into Darkness wasn’t good, but I don’t think it was bad enough to write JJ off. It was on the same level of disappointment as TDKR, but I still have faith in Nolan. Bryan Singer has also put out some crap (jack the giant slayer), but he has my confidence because of X2. Why are so many so quick to dismiss a great director? Very often, when the director pushes out a turd, the studios are to blame for micromanaging these projects.

      • bidi

        i don’t know what you guys are saying. i loved Into Darkness. yeah it ripped off Wrath of Kahn, but it was still a great, fun movie

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        No, no, no, JBug. I don’t hate JJ Abrams. I hate his films, which to be perfectly honest I find mostly vacant and illogical. Now — that said — he makes terrific popcorn entertainment; I’d never argue otherwise. I just find his films intellectually empty. For the record, I’ve largely said the same thing about Christopher Nolan’s Bat-films and practically everything he’s touched.

        As for Singer? I’d say much of the same, as I’ve only enjoyed his early career (THE USUAL SUSPECTS) when he actually had something to prove.

        To me (and I’ll freely admit that I’m much older than most ’round these parts), I think there’s a really bad trend amongst American filmmakers who are all-too-happy to work inside the Hollywood circle, that being once they’ve proven themselves they tend to fall off the wagon so far as doing anything risky, innovative, or refreshing. So, sure, I’d agree with you that the American studio system is largely to blame, but let’s not forget that the studios put these individuals in charge of the films they made. Singer and Nolan aren’t micromanaged as closely as you’d think.

      • MJ

        You need to hang out at some cinema-elitist movie sites, my friend. Your place is obviously not here. Go debate Ingmar Bergman films or the French New Wave somewhere please.

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        Been there, done that. Just earlier today, in fact. Collider is like hanging in the cheap seats as compared to my usual fare, but I have no problem with you knuckledraggers whatsoever! LOL I kid I kid

      • MJ

        LOL — touche, my friend!

      • JBug

        Although I don’t share your opinions, I appreciate your consistency. I don’t think Nolan had much leeway on TDKR and same with Singer on X3 (which I think is why he left). When a filmmaker puts together a couple of movies I really like, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt when they don’t.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        The reasons why I hate JJ Abrams Star Trek films.

        I wanted professional steady shots, no lens flares, no quick black and white flashing hypnotizing cuts. I wanted a good script, good dialogue, and good characters. I wanted a Spock, McCoy, and Kirk trio, not a Spock, Uhura, and Kirk trio. I wanted to see the Enterprise without it warping or firing weapons all the time. In other words, I wanted a “real” science fiction movie made, not one for fan boys who accept everything stamped with the Star Trek logo.

        If you like JJ Abrams Star Trek movies so much, repeat “one” line of dialogue from your memory of them.

      • lordjim

        so true!especially (besides bad scripts, bad direction, and a complete lack of science fiction concepts, i mean with old star trek space was still an unknown mysterious frontier where everything could happen on not just the background for an action movie) the underuse of mccoy is truly a crime.

      • The Flobbit

        Benedict Cumberbatch will walk over your cold corpses. From the first movie, I’m pulling blanks.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Well, at least you remembered one line from one of the current Star Trek movie.

      • MJ

        Here’s 11 from my memory I can come up with right now from the great 2009 movie (I can’ recall many from STID, but that was not a great movie). I am sure I can come up with more as I think about it more this afternoon.

        “See! We are just getting to know each other.” – Kirk

        “As I am half-human, your record remains untarnished” – Spock

        “An interesting metaphor Dr. McCoy, given that a stallion must first be broken before it can reach its full potential.” – Spock

        “I implied” “A gamble?” “An act of faith.” – both Spocks

        “My x-wife took the whole damn planet in our divorce. All I got left is my bones.” – McCoy

        “Coming back in time and changing history — that is cheating” – Kirk

        “You will always be a child of two worlds.” – Sarek

        “James T. Kirk was c a great man…but that was another life.” – Nero

        “Tiberius? Are you kidding me? No, that’s the worst.” – George Kirk

        “Mr. Scott, he reason you haven’t heard of it is because you haven’t discovered it yet.” – Spock

        “I like this ship; it’s exciting” – Scotty

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        LOL What terrible dialogue! Those don’t even compare to the Star Trek II:Wrath of Khan dialogue.

        1.
        Kirk: This is Admiral Kirk. We tried it once your way, Khan, are you game for a rematch? Khan, I’m laughing at the “superior intellect.”

        Khan: Full impulse power!

        Joachim: No, sir! You have Genesis! You can have whatever…

        Khan: FULL POWER! DAMN YOU!

        2.
        Saavik: Any suggestions, Admiral?

        Kirk: Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don’t take prisoners.

        3.
        Spock: He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

        4.
        Kirk: Khan… Khan, you’ve got Genesis, but you don’t have me. You were going to kill me, Khan. You’re going to have to come down here. You’re going to have to come down here!

        Khan: I’ve done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I’ve hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet… buried alive! Buried alive…!

        Kirk: KHAAANNNN!

      • MJ

        Don’t get me wrong, I love WOK, but it had many, many flaws, that now get overlooked because of sentimentality, and the fact through the passage of time, that movie has become iconic. Take a few of your supposed great example from NM’s screenplay:

        “Spock: He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.”

        – Horrible logic fault. How would someone who mastered spaceflight and modern war, not have mastered 3 dimensional thinking. That line has always seemed silly to me.

        “Kirk: Prayer, Mr. Saavik. The Klingons don’t take prisoners”

        – The whole “Mr. Saavik” nomenclature was distracting. Nick Meyer got way too cute by pretendting they were on a 1950′s sub or something?

        “Khan: FULL POWER! DAMN YOU!”

        – Huh? Not that I don’t like this line, but this is not like something that you, I or my 12-year old son could have come up with. Hardly and example of a creative screenplay line???

        “Kirk: KHAAANNNN!”

        – Seriously, dude? You put that in here to make your case? LOL

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Yeah, I remember it. KHAAAANNNN! it was also ripped off in the new Star Trek movie. And the Spock and Kirk death scene was also ripped off and changed in the new Star Trek movie. Seriously, if there is a problem with the warp core being constantly knocked off line, then why don’t they have a robotic arm inside the warp core to realign it? LOL And the Kobayashi Maru was ripped off in the first Star Trek movie. What great writing?

      • MJ

        I am not going to debate STID and Khan with you. I agree that STID was a weak movie. ST 2009 is the movie that I am talking about.

        That being said, I could take your general point about “ripping off earlier Star Treks” here and point out that Khan was first recycled in WOK from an TOS episode.

        “And the Kobayashi Maru was ripped off in the first Star Trek movie.”

        This is perhaps the lamest criticism I have ever heard on Trek 2009. Trek 2009 is an “origin story” of how the characters first met, so of course it is going to have the Kobayashi Muru in it. It would have been nearly criminal for them to have not included it. Duh!!!

  • doctor_robot

    seriously? smh

  • Jonze

    You can hire someone like Joe Cornish or Rupert Wyatt, whom are fantastic directors. But instead they want to give that hack Roberto Orci who helped ruined Star Trek 2, Transformers, Cowboys and Aliens, and Amazing Spider-Man 2 the reins to the Star Trek franchis. I know Cornish dropped out but seriously, try harder and stop giving this hack work

    • Aquartertoseven

      Joe Cornish “fantastic”?

      Did you see Attack the Block? What garbage that was.

      • GunzOfNavarone

        I constantly ask myself what it is about that film that people actually like. I though it was dire.

      • Aquartertoseven

        I couldn’t believe how bad it was. I mean, I’m familiar with London, it is a shithole now, driving through it is a case of spot the white, but the characters were so overdone with laughable dialogue, as if this is what some rich hipster thinks street kids sound like.

      • Doug

        Please explain how “spot the white” equals “shithole,” as thought a non-white population somehow automatically means “bad place.”

      • Aquartertoseven

        Gladly. Saying that there’s barely any white people in the capital city of a white country demonstrates the effect of such mass immigration, how this country is ceasing to be what it was and should be. Equate this to a Kenyan guy complaining about seeing barely any black people in his country. That way it comes across as less racist, as he’s not white.

        The truth is, we’ve got a fundamental problem with 2/3rd worlders and particularly muslims, not assimilating and bringing their cultures over rather than adapting. So we have ghettos, halal meat all over, over 60,000 cases of female genital mutilation, extremists in charge of schools, segregating girls so they sit at the back, muslim patrols of Muslim areas where gays and women who don’t dress according to their liking receive a torrent of abuse, crime has escalated exponentially etc.

        By non-white I mean North Africans, Middle Easterners, Pakistanis etc., where their cultures aren’t nearly as progressive as Western society.

      • MJ

        Well said. Look at British history. Look at London now. Huge disconnect in demographics Whether you like the change or not is up to you. But the change has been huge, and it shouldn’t be dismissed as a legitimate discussion topic.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Yeah, religion and culture are the most important factors for integration, that’s why I’m fine with Eastern Europeans flocking over here (I’d rather they didn’t due to the severe lack of jobs, but at least they can assimilate). Multiculturalism is a failure here, as for more than one to exist, the pre-existing one has to be pushed out, and it is. Big time.

      • Doug

        I laugh at the irony of a British person complaining about foreigners coming into the country and changing things.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Says the guy called Doug.

      • MJ

        I agree 100%. Cornish is a joke.

    • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

      I hear you. The only problem is…Hollywood doesn’t. Changing directors is like writing an intelligent script. The executives would rather play it safe and not take the risk.

    • MJ

      Again, from many of you here, why the F do you keep saying that Cornish is a “fantastic director” ?

      WHAT IN THIS HELL IS THIS STATEMENT BASED ON ?????

  • ShpotSb

    He really should had directed something before doing something big as this. Abrams had the highest budget ever for the first time feature film director with MI3, but he had directed TV episodes and was the creative driving force overall on those shows which showed proof he could direct. This guy wrote many blockbusters but has no direction experiance at all. I have nothing against this guy but it doesnt look good for Orci with no previous directed projects under his belt to base our opinions. I hope Im wrong and he makes a great film.

  • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

    I suggest Terrence Malick to direct the sequel.
    What do you think ?

    • lordjim

      i know you want to be funny, well at least it would be more like star trek the motion picture which i actually loved.but great directors ususally aren´t guns for hire anyway.

      • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

        I’m serious dude!

        Here is the script:

        Focus on the tearful eye of Kirk (played by Sean Penn ) . In his eyes we see dancing stars. An operatic voice sings O sole mio , interspersed with snaps of a broken radio. The camera zooms out gradually to let appear James Tiberius Kirk as a monarch sitting on his throne. The control room of the Enterprise is empty.

        Flashback:
        James T. Kirk is holding his favorite toy, a worn Captain America figure . His mother holds him firmly by the hand and walks hurriedly in an empty alley. Two cats are fighting over a half sardine and knock over a bin. The noise startled Winona. She released her grip enough to let James breaking out. He runs forward and rushes into a door half open.

        Kirk’s mother remains still.

        Close-up on her tight mouth.

        Flash back:
        Winona is a joyful 9 year old little girl. She swings in the garden of her grandparents.
        Her dog is staring at her. She hears the noise of a plane hedgehopping a corn field. She tilts her head back and continues to swing singing a ballad aunt Swan taught her when she was in the hospital. Her mother used to leave her every afternoon after school in the hospital to keep company to her dying aunt.

        Extreme long shot on the corn field and then tilt up to the cloudless blue sky .

        The sky fades to let appear the ocean. A boat is tossed by the wave motion. George Kirk tries to catch a fish with his hand. Suddenly, he falls overboard. His father grabs him in extremis and pulls him back in the boat.

        George opens his mouth to speak, and then changes his mind. He plunges his hand into his overalls pocket and pulls out a metallic silver box. He puts it gently on his leg and stares at it. The sun cuddles the box. A dazzle blinds the camera.

        Fade out .

        Fade in :
        James T. Kirk is now in total darkness. He expects to see his mother opening the door to force him out. He hears a music that seems to come from a distant jukebox.

        Flash-forward:
        James Tiberius Kirk gets up from his seat and walks towards the door.

        End Credits.

      • lordjim

        man, instead of wasting your time with writing scripts (malick hasn´t been using scripts for some time now anyway) you should watch badlands, an american classic someone like orci will never even get close to.you seem to hate movies that don´t have a plot, (i´m personally getting tired of seeing the same plots again and again and i like to see what cinema has to offer besides cheap andlazy stories) and badlands has one, so you might enjoy one malick film after all.

      • MJ

        “malick hasn´t been using scripts for some time now anyway”

        Yea, and he hasn’t been “directing” for some time now either.

      • lordjim

        yeah sure that´s how he got the fantastic performances in the tree of life.dream on.his casts live in fictions.

      • MJ

        Tree of Life. LOL. What drivel. 6.7 on IMDB. 60% Audience Rating on RT.

        Memo to Terrance Malick: Get off your self-important ass and start writing screenplays again; and stop getting lazy with your bullcrap long-winded boring scenes, because no one outside of the movie elitist artsy-fartsy crowd likes your movies these days. Sharpen your pencil and put in the hard work needed to tell a fracking story for a damn change. Check out Tarantino and Eastwood — you could learn a lot from them.

      • lordjim

        are you some kind of movie fundamentalist?is it not allowed to make movies that don´t appeal to the taste of the masses?what´s elitist artsy fartsy?is it not possible to have a different taste than you without being a jerk?we have tarantino and eastwood can´t we have malick too?jesus…

      • MJ

        You should not get so defensive. Be proud that you like it and stick up for your beliefs. I disagree and think that he sucks, but you don’t see me getting all personal about it with you just because you don’t like that opinion of mine?

      • lordjim

        ha, okay you got a point there ;)
        i´m still trying to persuade people to give him a second chance though, just because he accomplished (especially with the tree of life) something i haven´t seen that often, (michael mann did it for a few seconds with public enemy, but that film was a mess, and tarkovsky did it but that guy is truly not for everyone, try “solaris”, but not the horrible soderbergh remake if you ever get into the mood), catching life in a matter that watching a movie became an experience itself that went beyond just watching something, like catching time itself with a camera, and i really dug that feeling, so i´m getting really obnoxious when it comes to discussions about malick, i consider him to be a perfect drug, but when you are not in the mood it certainly must be a drag.

      • MJ

        Fair enough. I will try to be more open-minded.

        Just watched the Yojimbo and Fistful of Dollars blu-rays tonight, back to back. Recommend you try that some time. Very cool.

      • lordjim

        yeah i love them, especially yojimbo, with fistful of dollars i prefer the sequel.i have to read the book “red harvest” some time…
        if you like japanese movies “the woman in the dunes” left a deep mark.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        And you could learn from Stanley Kubrick’s 2001 movie, which reminds me of Terrance Malick’s style.

      • MJ

        Except that Kubrick tells a story in 2001. And he took the time and care to write an actual screenplay, and not just do some long-winded whimsical crap.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Yes, but you gotta admit that screen play still had a lot of problems, especially at the end of 2001. I mean what the Hell was going on? An acid trip?

      • MJ

        The point of the ending was that the advanced/transcendent beings who were manipulating man had a technology that traversed space-time, and that both they and their level of technology were beyond human understanding.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Actually, him not directing is a good thing.

      • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

        If Malick is a great director, then my computer will probably deserve an Academy Award with its random photo slide screen saver.

      • lordjim

        well that is why so many famous actors want to work with you for little money i guess, rock on!

      • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

        It’s like people who like to hang out with hipsters or attend abstract art galleries. They can spend a whole day in front of a black dot in the center of a white canevas.
        It gives them the feeling that they are special…

      • lordjim

        maybe i just really enjoyed his movies?is that an idea that´s impossible to grasp?i didn´t even like his last one, so why is that if i just watch them to feel special?unbelievable…you misunderstand te enjoyment of movies for some science i guess, or you are just totalitarian, i don´t know.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Despite what people think about Malick, he does know how to use camera cranes and dollies. He doesn’t shaky the camera like all these so-called professional directors who seem to be on drugs since they can’t shoot a stead shot. He also knows about lighting and structure, which again seems to be a lost craft.

        And, actually, it would have been nice to see Malick’s camera shooting style in the new Star Trek movies. Because, he wouldn’t have used lens flares and he would have lit the Enterprise bridge better.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Okay, I agree with you on this. People staring at artwork that was thrown together without using talent isn’t art. Absolutely correct!

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Malick, might have a different style of directing that you don’t like, but you should still respect his craft. I don’t mind you joking about his style, but you are taking this a little too far. Should I bring Stanley Kubrick’s 2001 movie into this discussion.

      • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

        Malick, might have a different style of directing that you don’t like, but you should still respect his craft. I don’t mind you joking about his style, but you are taking this a little too far. Should I bring Stanley Kubrick’s 2001 movie into this discussion.

      • http://tarek-to-verso.over-blog.com/ tarek

        Ok. Let’s talk about his style. What is all this fuss around him ? his movies look like a slide show. maybe a beautiful cinematography, but total non sense.

      • MJ

        LOL — that is fracking brilliant!!!

      • MJ

        You guys kill me. You’d think “Attack the Block” was like Blade Runner or Lawrence of Arabia or something. Joe Cornish hasn’t done jack shit to impress me yet in his career.

      • lordjim

        what are you talking about?i saw attack the block, had an okay waste of time, can´t remember anything about it, and will never watch it again.what the hell are you responding to?

    • Aquartertoseven

      God no. Saw The Thin Red Line the other day, it was the most pretentious film I’ve ever seen.

      • lordjim

        you haven´t seen a lot have you?what the fuck does pretentious even mean to you?everything that´s not by the numbers?

      • Aquartertoseven

        Are you serious? That’s the major complaint about this film, on amazon, imdb, go anywhere and that’s what a helluva lot of people will say. Because it was, I can’t believe that you’re really arguing this, it’s the most pretentious schlock I’ve seen in my many years, it’s so sparse and tries far, far too hard to make everyone act ethereal.

      • MJ

        I agree completely. Malick’s films are bloated, pretentious and nearly unwatchable. I remember walking out of The New World, as it was just so dumb and historically inaccurate.

      • lordjim

        i am serious, it´s not malick´s best (but certainly better than saving private ryan after the first brillant twenty minutes) most people i know actually liked it,but well if you found this to be pretentious, you really need to watch godard especially his later work (and i do appreciate his early work and his balls)there are so many truly pretentious movies out there you are in for a world.i was hypnotised by the thin red line and the thought of it being pretentious really never crossed my mind, i really dig malick “to the wonder” was quite boring though.can´t wait for his next one with bale again…

      • Aquartertoseven

        Better than Saving Private Ryan….

        ……………………………………………………………………………

        It had a small number of enjoyable bits, but it was just so wishy washy.

      • lordjim

        yeah it didn´t have the best structure, so you could call it wishy washy i guess.still better than the dissappinting kitsch saving private ryan turned into after a fantastic start.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Disappointing? How so? I agree that it’s a little overrated but I still think it’s a great film.

      • lordjim

        p.s.best war movies are apocalypse now …………………………………………. the deer hunter and paths of glory anyway, can´t top those.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Have only seen Apoc Now out of those, my God, what a film. I saw it less than a year ago, the hallucinogenic experience I’ve ever been through. Unforgettable.

      • MJ

        No way in hell Thin Red Line was better than Saving Private Ryan. Malick’s attempt at historical movies completely fails in that they are not consistent with real history — his WWII and New World movies were nearly complete fantasies — whereas, with Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers — that is what WWII was really like.

      • lordjim

        so i guess you must hate apocalypse now then?

      • MJ

        Apocalypse now is one of my favorite movies of all time. He told a story. And the Vietnam war around the story was pretty damn realistic. The ending was Heart of Darkness, and so that wasn’t intended to be realistic.

        Deer Hunter I like even more than Apocalypse Now.

        Paths of Glory puts me to sleep. Way overated — emotionally flat, hollow, and with a forced message. One of Kubrick’s few misfires.

      • MJ

        From an article on WWII vets opinions on War Films:

        “However, one film stood out as the least favorite: Terrence Malick’s The Thin Red Line. While film critics might have praised Malick’s artistic vision, the film’s poetic style, unusual pacing, and lack of linear narrative turned off the veterans I spoke to. As former soldier Michael Hotz wrote, ‘The combination of avant-garde cinematography as well as the general lack of a storyline was disconcerting.’ “

      • lordjim

        so what, mallick never even tried to make movies for the masses, so why would ww2 vets enjoy them more than general folks?

      • MJ

        You are missing the point. When you claim you are making a WWII movie that it based on actual historical event, then it should reflect the real WWII. The story of course can be fiction, but the general depiction and context should be like the real WWII.

      • lordjim

        so what was wrong?i understand that people have problems with malick´s poetry or his mysticism, but i don´t get this complain and i hear it the first time.i´m from austria so i am not blessed with a lack of knowledge about these times, and i really don´t know what you mean.

    • http://www.treerockcreations.com Tree Rock Creations

      Very funny…pictures without dialogue?

  • paul h

    WFT?! That’s a BS reason for not taking a job Cornish!

    Good luck getting on a high profile big budget movie that isn’t already part of an established franchise.

  • Drake

    Oh God help us…

  • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

    I suppose “morbid curiosity” is a reason to see a movie.

    • Person

      That’s basically why people saw the second one – morbid curiosity to see whether or not it was Kahn, and what they’d do with him.

      • Leo Spaceman

        The second one also boobs. The advertisement made an effort to make sure you knew it had boobs. It might have been boobs in a bra but it still counted.

      • MJ

        People saw the second one because ST 2009 was an outstanding movie. STID wasn’t so great.

        So JJ-Orci batted .500 with their two ST movies. That’s about the historical average for Trek movies — about 50% are good. So people freaking out over one subpar movie is kind of ridiculous.

        Iron Man has had one good movie out of three, but that fact doesn’t get mentioned much because Marvel can seem to do no wrong in some people’s eyes here.

      • Guy Smiley

        Only one good actual Iron Man movie, I agree, but let’s count The Avengers as a great movie with Iron Man too.

        Anyhow, I’ve enjoyed all of the Marvel Studios films *except* for IM2 and IM3. But even then I’ve enjoyed some more than others. The first Captain America, for example, was hit and miss, while the new one (Winter Soldier) was outstanding.

        Anyhow, if you enjoyed the first AbramsTrek, well that’s good for you. But the novelty of that film wore off in a hurry, and a somewhat charming cast doesn’t come close to making up for that horrendously stupid script. It’s just not a good movie. Fun, in places I suppose, but in no way “good.”

      • MJ

        The 2009 movie, in my opinion, is the best Star Trek movie made to date. And regarding plot holes and screenplay issues, Star Trek 2 and 3, which I love as well, have by far the most plot holes and screenplay issues of any of the group of what is considered the top Trek movies. People get overly sentimental on those movies and cut them way too much slack compared to the more recent JJ-Trek movies.

    • Kyle Chandler

      Enough to see it, but not enough to get my $12.

    • MJ

      Well all shows can’t be a great as Hannibal.

      ;-)

  • DjangoBro

    Yikes… I guess this is the end of the Star Trek franchise folks.

    • MCP

      I know, feels like its 7 years ago again. With many forks in the road, only one leading to salvation

    • Alex Lee

      No, it just means that Trekkers look to other sources.

      There’s Star Trek Continues, which I consider the preeminent example of what a Star Trek story is. Seriously, the two episodes they have out: “Pilgrim of Eternity” and “Lolani” are just top-notch.

      Then there’s Star Trek Renegades for those who like Star Trek Alumni. They’re the same group that made “Of Gods and Men” which was directed by Tim Russ.

  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    Why Why Why Can’t Paramount bring in a veteran TV director who has some flair and great credentials? I’m always a fan of having a somewhat unknown element as it makes it exciting. They brought in Nicholas Meyers to direct two of the best Star Trek films in the original series and it was a great gamble. Bringing Orci in just shows they aren’t willing to keep things fresh by bringing someone new into the mix. All we are going to get is a watered-down version of what JJ has already given us. SMH. Look at Marvel – hiring tv directors to direct TWS or Jon Favreau to direct Iron Man for shining examples.

  • Mark

    Orci doesn’t understand plot if it bit him on the nose. His screenplays are action scenes strung together with absurd story lines.

  • Doug_101

    “complete with Abrams’ blessing”
    So, JJ was a Lucas agent all along. He’s really sticking it to Star Trek now.

  • bork1138

    no

  • Biran53

    nononononononononononononononononononononononono

    Oh, Jeez

  • Spanky

    Am I living in some sort of bizarro world where these Orci and Kurtzman guys are talented, respected writers, who have created many critically acclaimed scripts?

    WTF is going on?? These guys produce complete trash, how they continue to get so much work blows my mind! ANYONE could have written the piles they have done, it’s all mindless and incoherent.. it takes a good director to make any sense of the garbage they turn in

    Unfortunately the zombified movie going audience who gave millions upon millions to their movies, but credit goes more to the brand and the director creating a visual display.. the scripts could have been created by monkey’s and done just as well

    The only thing I will give them a bit of credit for is the first Trek, but only the concept – which I question is they came up with on their own – of the time line twist.. that’s it!

    • Kyle Chandler

      It’s just further proof that, like everywhere in life, it’s more about who you know. Orci has obviously ingratiated himself to the PTB, and his scripts (pedestrian as they may be) continue to make money.

      • Guy Smiley

        Either that, or he’s got pictures of studio execs.

      • Kyle Chandler

        Blackmail: now the only logical explanation for this potential decision. :)

    • Doug

      As an example: The second Transformers movie was so horrendously bad, but it made so much money. I don’t understand it, but there it is. Money talks.

  • Farrell

    We are now beyond the pale. Hollywood has become such a sausage factory, they’re now handing over these huge tentpoles to the horrible screenwriters who’ve steered them. Orci and Kurtzman have now cemented their place in Hollywood and want even more power to ruin films…so directing was the natural next step.

    • DEADP00L

      So how do we get them out and get real writers in?

      • Farrell

        Don’t pay to see their movies.

      • Guy Smiley

        Exactly. The mindless public keeps giving them work just because of the titles on the marquee: “Transformers,” “Star Trek,” “Spider-Man,” yadda, yadda… If people would wise up and let their movies tank, they’d stop getting work.

        Then again, Shaymalan keeps making movies and he (rightly) hasn’t had a hit in ages. I don’t get it.

  • João Paulo

    The article complain a lot and they even confirm the guy yet, I mean let’s see what happens first ok.

    • Guy Smiley

      There’s nothing wrong with hoping that Paramount wises up and nixes him. Unlikely as that is.

      This is the studio that let Berman and Braga stay way past their shelf dates and drive Trek into the ground. Then they hired Abrams. No reason to trust them now.

  • Aaron Senters

    Roberto Orci is, hands-down, the worst thing that’s happened to big budget film-making in the last 10 years. He needs to say something really racist so we can have a reason to blacklist him.

    • Guy Smiley

      And yet, that jerk is laughing all the way to the bank. Who are these people that keep flocking to his mindless films?

      • Alex Lee

        To be fair, most people tend to not look at writers when watching a movie. At most, they’ll look at the director the check for quality, but most of the time, it’s just the actors people want to see.

  • kemo

    Katheryn Bigelow. it’s time for a woman to direct Star Trek

    • DEADP00L

      why? I’m still getting the taste of Zero Dark CIA agenda out of my mouth.

      • Strong Enough

        why not? zero dark thirty was brilliantly directed

      • DEADP00L

        It was propaganda and those are easy to direct when you have the CIA calling the shots.

      • Strong Enough

        propaganda? get the fuck outta here. I bet you watch fox news too

      • DEADP00L

        Nope I’m the brother of a Marine and that ‘movie’ was pure fiction.

      • Strong Enough

        My cousin is a marine too. But that doesn’t change the fact the movie was one of the best directed movies of the last decade. fall back

      • DEADP00L

        Negative. The best of the decade? With what contenders in that genre? It was nothing but CIA approved propaganda and no substance to the actual truth. That doesn’t make it the best of anything. It’s not the worst but it’s not the best.

      • Strong Enough

        I’m not talkin bout all that other shit. That is a different debate. What I’m saying is Zero Dark Thirty is one of the best directed films of the last decade. 93 percent of critics agree and i agree with them. Whatever other shit you believe you can’t take that away from kathryn’s superb directing skills

      • DEADP00L

        She directed a propaganda film on a war event. She directed another piece also a war event she is not capable of sci fi. That’s where her Ex James Cameron and her were always at odds, her strength is reality not imagination.

        Like Jolie is incapable of being funny and directing a fun movie – she directs mushed potato movies.

  • Royale With Cheese

    Why not Rian Johnson? Where the hell is that guy?

    • Strong Enough

      hes probably writing his next movie. sometimes that takes years

      • Royale With Cheese

        I hope you’re right. The guy is entirely too talented to not be making movies.

  • DEADP00L

    Oh yes please ruin an otherwise brilliant franchise by hiring hacksack Roberto Orci.

    I won’t watch it.

    • Guy Smiley

      If you actually liked those first two Abrams Trek movies, you’ll probably like the third.

      Orci’s crackpot beliefs, lack of scientific understanding (remember the “cold fusion” from Into Farkness?), and general crapping all over Trek history were hallmarks of the first two. Now it’s going to be goddamned Orci and a couple of Mormons. There goes Trek’s secular humanism, and probably everything else that made Trek “Trek” back in its day (which includes the latter series, like TNG and the seriously underrated DS9).

      I finally caved a couple of years ago and watched the first AbramsTrekTV. I didn’t like it, but it wasn’t as bad as I’d feared. I can also see why so many people enjoyed it. It was a terrible script (duh, it’s Orci and Kurtzman) but it got by on its charm.

      I saw the second one at a free preview, thank goodness. I’m glad I didn’t spend any money on that turd. Blatant ripoff of the best Trek movie of them all. They should’ve just called it “The Wrath of CON,” and been done with it. Not that I would’ve expected anything better from those three stooges Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof. They’re a bunch of liars and hacks.

      It’s sad that guys like that have gotten rich and keep getting work. Someday, it’s going to catch up with them. Orci directing will probably be the death knell for AbramsTrek. There’s no possible way it can be good — because he hasn’t been “good” yet — so I hope it tanks and Paramount kills the film series.

      Bring Trek back to TV and let people who know and love Trek take the helm. Manny Coto, the Reeves-Stevenses, Jonathan Frakes… Hell, even Seth McFarlane (I give him props for what he’s done to get Cosmos on the air)! Those are all people I would trust to help put Trek back on TV where it belongs.

      • DEADP00L

        Tears in my eyes that was just so beautiful man. I can’t up vote this enough.

      • Alex Lee

        While I’m not fond of hoping that a movie tanks, I just don’t see how Orci would be a good director when he sounds so obnoxious. Given how he reacted to the editorial “Star Trek is Broken: Here’s how to fix it,” I’m not entirely sure he’ll be a good guy to voice concerns to, which is probably what the staff is thinking.

        It’ll probably be like when Stuart Baird directed Nemesis., A guy that isn’t known for directing has to make what is essentially a character/plot driven narrative, but then needs to use action to cover up the flaws of that story.

  • MJ

    So Adam,

    Are you telling me that a 911 Truther, paired with two bleeding heart Mormans, may not be the best choice for this? ;-)

    To be serious, although I definitely share your concerns, I think Orci has learned some lessons from STID, and I think that he is going to deliver a better film for this one. Just my hunch. In terms of my opinion of Bob, this is make or break — he will either prove that he can deliver a true Star Trek product, or he will fall back on his action movie uncontrolled messes that we have seen in some of his previous movies.

    I am hoping for him to rise above himself and deliver here.

  • Alboone

    To all the Trekkies and Trekkers you have my sympathies.

  • Colin Christian

    From the guy that helped bring you Transformers! Yes,for STAR TREK! The worse written movies for the best written show ever,surely nothing can go wrong? A whore,plain and simple,I hope you are reading this,yes they made money,so did you,but I can sleep at night knowing I tried to make the world a better place instead of screwing it for every dime.

    • MJ

      Is this whore you are talking about that plastic doll in your photo with the conveniently large-sized mouth?

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