Roberto Orci Talks STAR TREK 3; Says Paramount Hasn’t Seen the Script Yet, Unconfirmed as Director Until Given the Greenlight

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Many were skeptical about director J.J. Abrams’ 2009 Star Trek reboot, but the finished film turned out to be the rare movie that seemed to please both die-hard fans and Trek newcomers in equal measure.  It was a thrilling start to a revitalized franchise for Paramount, and while reception to the follow-up Star Trek Into Darkness was less enthusiastic, the sequel still went on to gross $467 million worldwide.  Obviously Paramount would be moving forward with another installment, but Abrams happened to be busy with this little thing called Star Wars, so a new director was needed.  After months of searching, the studio finally settled on a familiar face: Roberto Orci.  Having produced and co-written the first two films, Orci was already entrenched in the existing franchise, but Star Trek 3 marks a massive challenge as it will be Orci’s first time in the director’s chair, ever.

Our own Christina Radish recently got the chance to speak with Orci in anticipation of his TV series Matador (which has already been picked up for a second season) during the TCA Press Tour, and Orci gave an update on Star Trek 3’s progress, saying Paramount has yet to sign off on the script, adding that he’s not necessarily confirmed as the director until the film gets the greenlight.  More after the jump.

star-trek-3-zachary-quinto-chris-pineWhen asked whether he’s feeling the pressure of taking the Star Trek director reins, Orci was quick to point out that he hasn’t officially signed on to that position just yet:

“Well, I don’t want to count my chickens before they hatch.  The studio has yet to even read the script.  I’m in the middle of writing it, with the talented team of [John D.] Payne and [Patrick] McKay.  They are true Star Trek fans, as well.  So, I can’t even think anything about the future until I give them a script and they greenlight it.  Until that happens, everything else is just a rumor.”

Though two separate trades reported that Orci will be directing Trek 3, maybe he doesn’t want to confirm the news until the studio has signed off on his script.  Or maybe him getting to direct Trek is contigent on how Paramount reacts to the script that he puts together.  For now, Orci says he just feels pressure as a screenwriter:

“If I’m lucky enough that Paramount loves the script and that we go forward, it’ll be because I have loved Star Trek for so long and the idea of having seen one of the best guys in the business direct two of them already, and to have seen it from the vantage point of a producer too, I know where a lot of the challenges are and where a lot of the fun is.  If we’re lucky enough that everything goes right, then I’ll start to feel the pressure.  Once it’s really happening, it’s like, ‘Oh, my God, the 50th anniversary!  Holy, moly!’  As a writer, I feel the pressure as the returning screenwriter to this franchise.  I feel it at the story level.  I can’t speak for Payne and McKay, but they seem to be having a good time.  They don’t look as nervous as I feel, but maybe they’re just good at hiding it.”

star-trek-3-zoe-saldana-zachary-quintoFans haven’t exactly held their tongues when it comes to their dislike for Orci, especially after the scribe confronted a number of them in an online forum.  Christina mentioned that it’s difficult to make anything that people will continue to love for years on end, and Orci touched on the Trek community as a whole in his response:

“It is.  It takes a dedicated fan base, and that’s why I do think there is such a feeling of protectiveness about Star Trek, both from the people who work on it and the fandom itself.  They’ve kept it alive for a long time, through thick and thin.  We didn’t invent Star Trek.  We’re just taking care of it for a little bit.  And there will be others who will come in and take care of it, long after we’re gone.  It’s that amazing of a thing.  You just hope, with anything you do, that you can work on it long enough that you can pay it its proper due.”

An official release date for Star Trek 3 has yet to be confirmed, but Paramount is keen on getting the pic out in 2016 to mark the series’ 50th anniversary.  As Orci, Payne, and McKay finish up their first draft, expect more firm announcements regarding Trek 3 in the coming months—assuming Paramount takes a liking to their take on the story, that is.

Look for our full interview with Orci on Collider soon.

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  • Neo Racer

    yea what are the odds of a 1st time ever director hitting it out of the park..

    • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

      Leonard Nimoy did.

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        Nimoy had directed TV long before he directed movies. Read up, people. Ignorance starts at home.

      • Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño

        Yep, you’re right. My bad.

      • MJ

        LOL. A couple episodes of some minor shows and one TV movie. Big fracking deal.

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        Oh, you poor, poor blighted fool. You might want to read a Nimoy bio before you assume that’s all he directed.

      • MJ

        LOL. I’ve forgotten more about Star Trek than you will ever learn about it, Mensa.

        Before STIII, Nimoy directed three series TV episodes and one TV movie. That’s all — exactly as I said. And I’ve read both his autobiographies as well.

        You should stick to your political posts, because your “B game” level condescending crap doesn’t work very well here, young man.

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        Your poor sad, sad person. If you have indeed read any of the Nimoy authorized or unauthorized bios, then you’d truly know he’s directed more than just what’s available on IMDB.com.

      • MJ

        I actually watched all the shows he directed, and I have his Hooker episode and Night Gallery episode on VHS still in my collection. And I also saw his one-man Vincent play live over 3 decades ago. And I’ve read both his autobiographies. So you relying on IMDB for your info doesn’t really impress me.

        There is my real information for you to digest. Hopefully you won’t respond again with some platitude-insult involving me being a sad person or whatever…but keep up the pathetic “sad person” insults if that is all you have to add to the discussion?

      • cruzzercruz

        Damn, this just became a vortex of pathetic sadness.

      • MJ

        Agreed !

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        Aw, you poor thing! You can’t read? You had to read that a few times, eh, to actually comprehend? Well, I wish you well, chump.

      • MJ

        Obviously you have no specific information to support your views, or you would have shared them by now. Your “trust me, you poor, sad man” shtick is utterly uncompelling and trite.

        Epic Fail

      • agent777

        Just being on set can give those skills. Look at Eastwood and Ben Affleck.

      • DoggyMcDogman

        The difference is Orci started with screenplays, the part of the filmmaking process that’s the most important because, we’ll, it’s the story and characters now isn’t it? Orci has proven time and time again he doesn’t know jack about telling a story and writing feasible characters. The fact it’s his directorial debut has nothing to do with it. The dummy just doesn’t know how to tell a story. He’s already lost.

    • Strong Enough

      Sam Mendes

      • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

        LOL! You do realize that Sam got his start in TV directing, no? It’s not like he showed up on the movie set with zero directing experience.

      • Batt Damon

        And he spent years directing theatre productions beforehand.

      • Strong Enough

        I assume he was talking about firsts in Feature film direction. its totally different to direct TV movies then do a studio film! LOL!

    • MJ

      Who are you saying yes to?

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      pam and tommy lee

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      • MJ

        Live video adult sites certainly do make a lot of dollars per month.

        Congrats to your mom, but I would recommend you always knock on her home office door before barging in.

  • Jeff Beck

    Reception to Star Trek Into Darkness was less enthusiastic? 87% of critics liked it with a score of 7.6/10. When compared to the original (95%, 8.1), I guess you could say that. The sequel grossed more money (not an indicator of quality, but a lot of people went to see it and really enjoyed it) and the scores are nearly identical on IMDb (8.0 and 7.9). Both films were great and were revered as such, so I’d hardly say reception was “less enthusiastic.”

    • Kondorr

      Well… I tried to watch it twice… never finished. The plot was substandard and implausible, the dialogue was utter techno-blable crap, and the villain was emo. And the unimaginative villain ship… a bigger and blacker Enterprise…
      I could not watch this thing to the end…
      The first one was cool… It took a dead franchise and blew fresh life into it… the second killed it again…
      Just my opinion… thats all!

      • dolphin558

        Yep, your opinion.

      • Spanky

        Many share the same

        The idiots seriously couldn’t think of anything better than the use Khan??

      • Guy Smiley

        Khan who, even though he was born, and then imprisoned in suspended animation, long before the alternate timeline was created, is now a pasty, skinny, Brit. But he’s supposed to be the same Khan that Nimoy’s Spock encountered. Wow.

        That made even less sense then the magic blood, the magical new transporters that pretty much eliminate the needs for starships (no Star Trekking?), and that ridiculous “cold fusion” at the start of the film that proved Orci doesn’t even understand basic science.

        Blantantly ripping of Wrath of Khan, and lying about it to the fans, just made it worse.

      • MJ

        I too wish they would get back to the real science of the early Trek movies. Protomatter and the reanimation of Spock — now that was realistic science at it’s best, right? And sling-slotting around the sun to go back in time — that must have made Stephen Hawking proud, right?. And then we have…drum roll…the Nexus — that was basic science at its best, right?

        Star Trek has never been and never will be HARD science fiction. To cherry-pick that as a major problem in STID while conveniently giving a free pass to even more egregious violations of science in other Trek movies is an intellectually bankrupt exercise in futility.

      • MJ

        I too wish they would get back to the real science of the early Trek movies. Protomatter and the reanimation of Spock — now that was realistic science at it’s best, right? And sling-slotting around the sun to go back in time — that must have made Stephen Hawking proud, right?. And then we have…drum roll…the Nexus — that was basic science at its best, right?

        Star Trek has never been and never will be HARD science fiction. To cherry-pick that as a major problem in STID while conveniently giving a free pass to even more egregious violations of science in other Trek movies is an intellectually bankrupt exercise in futility.

      • cruzzercruz

        You’re so right. It’s typical shit from these two hacks, to think that the bad guy should just have a dark version of the good guys’ ship. I can suspend a certain amount of disbelief, but the movie makes no goddamn sense whatsoever. By the time they pull the horrendously awful reverse Wrath of Khan death scene just for shock value, I was done. Literally laughing in the theater. As if anyone believed the LEAD would be dead for more than five minutes. They created an immortality drug, which will likely never be addressed because fuck it, that would actually require some thought and basic plausibility. Ironically, something like that would make for a good episode of Star Trek, where they’d actually delve into the social and moral repercussions of it, rather than just using it as an magic plot device white out pen that allows them to pull off all the sappy bullshit they want without any of the risk.

        And who did they think would give a shit about Khan? The fans were appalled because he was bland and uninteresting, and the newcomers don’t have the nostalgia to cling to. His reveal was met with a resounding “meh” so hard, they literally had Nimoy’s Spock phone in at the end of the film to explain why he’s supposed to be so important, because why bother writing that into the rest of the movie. “I’m not supposed to tell you about my version of the future, but I will because there’s an audience waiting to care about this poorly written story.”

    • Manuel Orozco

      I thought Into Darkness was better than Star Trek

      • dolphin558

        Me too.

      • Manuel Orozco

        The action, the emotion, the nostalgia, and the visual narrative kicked up a notch especially with the IMAX filmed footage

      • DoggyMcDogman

        Absolutely none of those reasons warrant it as a good movie. Your comment is the antithesis of why shit movies like Into Darkness get made. It’s all horribly embarrassing.

      • Manuel Orozco

        Have you no conscious

      • DoggyMcDogman

        Was that a question? It makes no sense. Write like a learned fucking human being or get off the internet.

      • Manuel Orozco

        That was rhetorical

      • Manuel Orozco

        It means do you give a care what others think

      • cruzzercruz

        Rotten Tomatoes says it has 87%! That means good!

        Or you could watch the movie and use basic reasoning and grade school level critical thinking and see that it’s insultingly bad.

    • http://thenonessentials.blogspot.com/ Sean Chandler

      A very vocal minority of people on the internet really didn’t like it.

      • dolphin558

        Indeed.

      • DoggyMcDogman

        The fact that we’re a minority just makes it more embarrassing for the majority that still actually believe it’s a good movie.

      • http://thenonessentials.blogspot.com/ Sean Chandler

        I might almost see where you’re coming from except over 85% of critics on Rotten Tomatoes at least liked the film. All the Star Trek fans I’ve spoken to in person at least liked it. All the non-Star Trek Fans I’ve spoken to at least liked it. And it sold enough tickets to quickly get a sequel green lit.

        That’s a very diverse majority of people to at least enjoy the film. This isn’t something like Transformers 4 where the critics trashed it but people bought tons of tickets. So it seems like a niche group of people are making far too much of the films flaws (which I don’t deny exist).

      • DoggyMcDogman

        Why people like it is totally subjective. Why it’s a crappy, poorly written movie is not. No one is “making too much” of the films flaws. That’s bogus. Why should people make excuses for bad movies? What if they had just taken a few more days to re-read their “final” draft, really took a good look and said, “Hey, we should rewrite this so it makes sense, so our characters make sense, so it’s not just a boring rehash of the first movie.” Imagine if they did that. Then everyone would probably like it! It would probably have an even HIGHER score on Rotten Tomatos, and it might actually deserve it, unlike the 87% (By the way, if people continue to use Rotten Tomatoes as a source, think about this: According to Rotten Tomatoes, STID got rated 90% FRESH. No Country for Old Men? 86%. Yep). If a movies got flaws it’s in the script. That’s why movies have scripts: you write it , and then rewrite til all questions have been answered; you make sure what you have BEFOREHAND is solid before you actually make the movie. THAT’S HOW YOU MAKE A MOVIE! They DIDN’T do that on this movie, and, surprise surprise, it’s not a good movie. I don’t care how many idiots rated it on Rotten Tomatos, I don’t care that critics (Who don’t make movies) said it was good for the sake of a few hits, and I really don’t care about the opinions of Trek fanboys. They got ALL the seasons on Netflix. If you wana see how Star Trek used to be, they did this thing where they recorded a fucking TV show. Just watch that. But I’m a dope who’s too simple to see a Star Trek movie for how accurate it is to a TV show I never watched. I guess I just go to the movies to see a good movie. Star Trek into Darkness is very not good.

      • http://thenonessentials.blogspot.com/ Sean Chandler

        Uhhh no why you think it is crappy is ALSO subjective. Unless you’re pointing towards objective flaws like them putting the boom mic in a shot, it’s opinion.

        Your little section on why it was crappy was ALL subjective, “”Hey, we should rewrite this so it makes sense, so our characters make sense, so it’s not just a boring rehash of the first movie.”

        The story made sense to me.
        The characters made sense to me.
        I didn’t think it was boring.
        I didn’t think it was a rehash of the first film (this one may be objective but it’s objectively wrong).

    • milo

      Totally agree, it seems like critics and the general public liked it just fine, it’s mostly some fanboys kicking and screaming online being negative about it. And it really seems like more of the negativity comes from being pissed about JJ and company lying about the Khan reveal than about the movie.

      I watched it again recently and loved it, both of these were great movies for the most part.

      Honestly I think the drop in box office is due more to the four year gap, if they would have released a year earlier I think it could have done much better but the public doesn’t seem to stay interested for more than about three years or so (see Dragon 2).

      • Manuel Orozco

        We’ll hopefully if Star Trek 3 comes out in 2016 as planned that won’t be much of a problem I don’t understand why the 4 year gap was one hell of a problem

    • Aquartertoseven

      I thought it was a great film, but only just, and definitely a big drop in quality from the first one.

      • Manuel Orozco

        Maybe the quality will be bigger for the third movie

    • Manuel Orozco

      I say the reception was near equal

    • cruzzercruz

      There was definitely a backlash in the Star Trek fanbase against the movie, and it isn’t unanimously considered better or as good as the first film. There was the famous incident of the Star Trek convention where the attendees voted it the worst Trek film ever made.

      • Jeff Beck

        Wow, I guess they didn’t see The Motion Picture, Final Frontier, or Nemesis.

      • MJ

        Now, Final Frontier and Nemesis are in fact truly bad movies.

        The Motion Picture, like STID, was a good movie, but not a great one. There are both disliked by some fans. I happen to like both of them, but I realize that they have some limitations.

        ST-2009 is the best Trek movie ever made, hands-down!

      • Jeff Beck

        The main problem with The Motion Picture was that they tried to be overly-ambitious with it. They wanted to make it an exciting adventure combined with deeper complexity than you’d normally find in the show (basically “Star Trek” meets “2001″), but, as most people seem to agree, it didn’t work very well, resulting in a really long and dull film. I can see why some would like it though. It’s certainly a unique entry in the franchise.

      • MJ

        Well said !

      • MJ

        Regarding that incident, that was a rigged voice vote by a fan with an agenda.

        And what’s really funny, is that Star Trek fan attendance at conventions has been ramping up steadily sine the new movies came out, after a decline though much of the 2000′s.

        I will agree that the second film was not as good as the first one. But it’s hardly a bad movie.

      • http://thenonessentials.blogspot.com/ Sean Chandler

        While it’s a mildly amusing news story to read about, that incident literally means nothing. At best it means a small sampling of biased people in a biased environment voted the film the worst based on a random survey.

  • http://www.scifihistory.net/ E. Lee Zimmerman

    If they’re true Star Trek fans, Roberto, then why would they work with you, one who is on public record as downright loathing Star Trek fans?

    • cruzzercruz

      It’s always a good sign when the guy steering a franchise has not only a total misunderstanding of what makes it work, but has disdain for the people who love it.

      • jack2211

        Well, he’s a know-it-all, misguided fan like the rest of us. Fan-fiction is usually terrible (John Logan and Nemesis).

        Star Trek II is a great movie because Meyer didn’t like TOS.

    • jack2211

      This ranks up there with “Have a doughnut, Moochelle.”

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  • NorCalJR

    Although its very rare ( almost never ) that a first time director is handed a huge project, he has been working on TV and films for years. Also he was the first person ABRAMS approached when it came to rebooting the franchise to begin with. David Yates was handed Harry Potter only after one small movie. Abrams was handed Mission Impossible after producing and co-directing TV, Joseph Kosinski was handed Tron Legacy after being an architect ?!?…. I think he will be fine. Also keep in mind he knows the crew, he knows the cast, he can build off what JJ did add his own style but also keep some sort of consistency. Give the guy a chance. Like he said there have been many people before him, and there will be many people after him.

    • Manuel Orozco

      That’s the spirit

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  • MJ

    It’s interesting. That site, Trekmovie.com, used to have all the breaking stories on the new JJ-Trek movies. Now though, Collider and Trekcore seem to be getting all the original news on the new Star Trek movies, and Trekmovie.com just cuts and pastes it into their own “news stories.”

    Even Bob Orci now, who used to be a regular on Trekmovie.com, is no longer giving them exclusives. I think that fact that the site has largely been taken over by people who don’t respect the new movies is a big part of this — they have ceded the site to a group of posters who largely hate the new movies. Weird though, since that site was created to follow and celebrate the new movies?

    • Hank Meadows

      Do you have this view because you were banned from that site?

      • MJ

        Hi Hank.

        I have this view because these other sites are now getting the original stories and access to the producers that Trekmovie once had. That’s an objective fact.

        Look at their latest entry from yesterday — an entire article on Quinto’s comments on the new movie…and buried within the article — you have to be looking really close to see it — is a link to the ORIGINAL SOURCE NEWS STORY on IGN. It’s misleading to readers to not call that out in the header or byline. The way the article is presented gives the false impression of a Trekmovie.com original breaking story. You’d never see that here on Collider or over at Trekcore.

        Regarding the banning from that site, after thinking about it for several months, the feeling is now mutual on my end as well — I have no interest in ever posting there again. Go look at the posts there now — it’s degraded into a constant battle of personalities with a bunch of “haters” of the new Trek movies taking over control of the comments section there (for example, see the constant personal battles between a poster called Keachick and others for instance..that’s ugly and disturbing).

        I was banned for taking on multiple ID’s to try to fight against the haters. I apologized to the site administrator for my actions, and I stand by that apology. Certainly this is not something I’m proud of, but the comments section nuTrek haters on that site are an embarrassment to all good and positive Star Trek fans, and I let my emotions get the best of me and tried to fight back in an unfair way, certainly…I fought my personal version of the Kobayasi Maru scenario over there — I tried to change the rules of the game to win with good intentions, if misguided ones.

        As an example, in regards to STID, Milo hit on this about right in his post here recently:

        “It seems like critics and the general public liked it just fine, it’s mostly some fanboys kicking and screaming online being negative about it.”

        Moreover, that site has never been the same since it’s founder, Anthony Pascale, left. First, Anthony had real access to to nuTrek producers and staff — that is no longer the case with the replacement staff. Secondly, Anthony was willing and able to actively moderate the negative posting on the nuTrek movies to not get let it all get too out of hand. The replacement staff is not willing to do that.

        That minority of fanboy haters Milo’s referring to have an active gang over at Trekmovie — that is where that embarrassing subgroup of “fans” now hang out together.

        For anyone wanting real and original news on the new Star Trek movies, and who also want to avoid that small, but incessantly vitriolic subgroup of nuTrek haters, I recommend using Trekcore and Collider as your primary news sources, and places to post legitimate fan comments.

      • disco spock@k7

        Folks this person is an irrevocable pathological liar, extremely devious and immature. He literally made a shambles of the Trekmovie site before being kicked off and this was going on for years. He also at times spoofed other peoples’ identities on the board who disagreed with him to contradict them: causing mass confusion. A lot of good posters left because of his actions.

        If anyone is filled with hate it is this person. That a 50 year old man would do such things as masquerade as 8 known different (prob more) people and literally have “conversations” and arguments with himself: praising himself for such embarrassingly pathetic actions is mind boggling and he was on there 24/7.

        Furthermore, he is a master troll. He mentions one individual above, he himself attacked this person on numerous occasions in his various guises. He does not know how to debate and engage honestly just lies, half truths and vicious insults.

        He possesses such a vicious hatred for William Shatner, that he could not go one thread with out seriously disrespecting and insulting him over and over for years. That SNL skit hit too close to home for him.

        That someone would go to such lengths and waste so much time doing so to be “king of the board”, shows that he has serious problems.

        Oh, and now the board is thriving.

      • Rocket Bailey

        OK, you are both thoroughly entertaining me here. Wow, we’ve got a major Star Trek geek spat going on. I love it.
        I just spent a few minutes looking at some fanboy comments over at that Trekmovie.com web site. You’ve got to admit, there is a lot of negativity over on that site for Roberto Orci and JJ Abrams? Plus in looking at some of the comments, there are a lot of very silly personal attacks going on between the posters?
        I don’t know whether this MJ guy is a pathological troll-liar or not, but a lot of those comments I see over on that web site are as negative and embarrassing as he has described here. Sounds like this MJ has sour grapes, but it also looks like his assessment is correct.

      • disco spock@k7

        See this is what mj does. Old habits die hard. BTW Disco Spock, & k7 are two of mj’s alias’.

      • MJ

        Hi, B Kramer. How’s your day going?

      • Hank Meadows

        Um, for the record, I’m not Disco Spock.

      • MJ

        Ah, sorry about that, Hank. I’ve now deduced that it’s that B. Kramer dude, given he’s been having a hissy fit all day today over at Trekmovie about my comments here on Collider. The guys posted like seven times today just about me, and even suggested people post here using my old alias’s…so he clumsily outed himself on this…LOL

        He’s a bit of a “reverse groupie” of mine — he seems to always be watching where I post on the internet and reports my doings back to the nuTrek hater posters at Trekmovie. His obsession with me is a tad creepy, but I guess it’s a bit flattering as well.

        If B. Kramer was a character on Game of Thrones, he’d be Littlefinger.

      • MJ

        Ah, sorry about that, Hank. I’ve now deduced that it’s that B. Kramer dude, given he’s been having a hissy fit all day today over at Trekmovie about my comments here on Collider. The guys posted like seven times today just about me, and even suggested people post here using my old alias’s…so he clumsily outed himself on this…LOL

        He’s a bit of a “reverse groupie” of mine — he seems to always be watching where I post on the internet and reports my doings back to the nuTrek hater posters at Trekmovie. His obsession with me is a tad creepy, but I guess it’s a bit flattering as well.

        If B. Kramer was a character on Game of Thrones, he’d be Littlefinger.

      • Dave S. Garrick’s Pride

        MJ aka Mark Jensen, don’t flatter yourself. Despite your unbelievably fake & rediculous ‘apologies’ (Inner idic and Kobiyashi Maru nonsense) you just continue the same old underhanded tactics and this is what we show and laugh at. As someone said (the real one) ‘I just wanted you to know who had beaten you.’ And to let others know what they are dealing with at TC because again you are misrepresenting the facts re TM.

      • MJ

        B. Kramer aka Brittany Kramer,

        My apology is legitimate. If you choose not to accept it, and want to instead continue to “follow me around” and attempt to embarrass me (using the same multiple fake ID tactics that you claimed were so wrong when I used them) wherever I freely choose to post on the Internet, that is something you will have to live with.

        To make myself personally clear again:

        I APOLOGIZE TO YOU PERSONALLY, BRITTANY

        I am sorry for my past actions on Trekmovie.com. I regret my asinine behavior there. You are right to be angry and critical of my actions there.

        And yes, because it seems you need to hear this from me: I also concede that you have defeated me. You won, OK?

        Regarding the other point of your post, I am not misrepresenting any facts regarding TM. With Anthony gone, and the site no longer seen as a positive voice for the new movies (ref: the Orci-fan viral internet incident & their “What is Wrong with Star Trek” editorial), they are no longer getting the exclusives and access to Bad Robot, etc. The four big news stories/interviews on the new movie this year were broken by Variety, TrekCore, Collider and IGN…this is a verifiable fact. But I am listening…please make the case of why you think I am wrong here?

      • Adm Archer’s Prize Beagle

        Sorry not into dance music. Hopeless case. End of transmission.

      • MJ

        I understand. I hope you can find a way to leave your seething hatred and malice towards me behind at some point.

        Best Regards, MJ

      • Andorian

        No hatred just laughter exposing the continual lies and the real you behind aliases: pretty sad. All is great at TM. Au revoir.

      • MJ

        Sure, whatever you need to feel better about it…I understand.

      • MJ

        Sure, whatever you need to feel better about it…I understand.

      • MJ

        I don’t have sour grapes. See my post above. I am glad to be off that site. I was turning into a real a-hole troll, and got away from positive discussions on Trek.

        As a fan of Star Trek for 40 years, getting booted off that site was a positive development for me — I used to be a positive and optimistic Trek fan before I got caught up in that site — I am trying to get that back now.

      • jack2211

        And it’s not new. That negativity’s been there from the beginning.

      • MJ

        I want to thank you for your post. By basically saying I am the Antichrist, you remind me why I am happy to be off that site for good. The level of vitriol and negativity here in your post illustrates why I should no longer be participating on that site. It’s an unhealthy environment, and yes, it did turn me into a troll, liar and all around jerk, for which I apologized for.

        And I apologize to you personally as well, since I apparently upset you over there in the past. It reached a point where I did go a little nuts as I was just so sick and tired of the constant negativity by the same 20 people — taking down JJ and Orci over and over,year after year. Yea, I lost it. And so once again, I APOLOGIZE !!!!!

        Regarding William Shatner, I do not apologize for my assessment that he is a blow-hard self-promoter bufoon who hasn’t done a good job of playing Captain Kirk since 1986. And the guy’s continued public whining and baiting JJ and company about getting a part in the new movies was inappropriate and inexcusable. And then we have the laundry list of all the actors and “lesser people” that he’s been such an ass to over the years. Yea, I’m really tired of his act. You are welcome to disagree.

        And, as I said above, it’s an objective fact that Trekmovie is no longer getting original Star Trek-sourced stories on the new movies. They are now relying on Collider, Trekcore, IGN and others, to get their nuTrek news stories out. Unfortunately, that’s what happens when you gain notoriety (ref: the Orci-fan viral internet incident & their “What is Wrong with Star Trek” editorial) as the site where all the nuTrek haters hang out. Why would Bad Robot want to reward such a site with exclusives and access to the actors, etc? Do you think it’s an accident that Bob Orici and his two co-writers gave interviews recently to Trekcore and Collider only? In the past, with Anthony Pascale, Trekmovie would have had those exclusives…FACT !

      • jack2211

        Mark, for a fella saying he’s left it all behind, well, you sure talk about it all a lot.

      • MJ

        Well, this Brittany person has made it her mission to stalk me on the Internet, with continuous “report backs” to Ahmed and others at Trekmovie (i.e. the group I always disagreed with on the nuTrek movies) about what I am saying here and on Trekcore. She event tried to start a campaign over at Trekmovie to get posters to use fake identities here to embarrass me.

        I have tried to apologize to her multiple times, but she is extremely upset and angry — as she said to me: ‘I just wanted you to know who had beaten you.’ Fine, she wins…I am not playing those games anymore. But, in trying to get her revenge on me, she has become the character I used to be…these are the same trolling practices that I used to use, and, just like her now, I had a borderline sociopathic way of convincing myself that my bad behavior was morally justified.

        I realize now that my behavior was wrong and ill-conceived. I am now back to enjoying Star Trek and interacting with fans on a more normal basis. Getting booted off Trekmovie.com was the wake-up call that I needed to help me to change.

      • Red Shirt Diaries

        Marsha Jenson, just keep lying about everything & making a fool of yourself, – you don’t get it. Who the heck is Brittany?

        BTW, did you leave a comment here?

        https://ca.news.yahoo.com/phasers-set-fun-william-shatner-kicks-off-calgary-155640358.html

      • MJ

        No, that is not me. Keep up your internet research. No doubt you will show up at my house soon and scare my kids.

        By the way, I challenge you to actually show me how anything I said above is wrong:

        1. Are you not, in fact, following me around the internet?

        2. Are you not, in fact, reporting what I am saying back to Ahmed and others at Trekmovie.com?

        3. Did you not, in fact, encourage others at Trekmovie.com to disrupt the Collider website here by showing up in force and using my old fake identities to harass me?

        4. Did I not express, multiple times here, my apology and contrition for my previous bad behavior on Trekmovies.com?

        THESE ARE ALL TRUE. There are NO LIES HERE as you are falsely trying to claim

        What exactly am I lying about? Come on, drop the hateful simplistic platitudes in your “fast-foot-hate-posts” and use your brain to exactly tell me what I have said here is that is supposedly false? “Where’s the beef” in your charge that I am lying here?

        Regardless of you own issues with the truth here, I’ll say it again:

        I AM SO SORRY FOR MY PAST BEHAVIOR ON TREKMOVIE.COM….and,

        YOU WIN! I CONCEDE THAT YOU HAVE BESTED ME. YOU ARE THE BETTER PERSON, AND I NOW KNOW WHO IT WAS WHO BESTED ME — BRITTANY KRAMER BESTED ME !!!

        Continue to be angry and rant on me if you must, but regarding you continuing to say that I am lying here: THAT IS 100% FALSE !!! You are lying by continuing to propagate this false proposition that I am NOW lying — I have illustrated and explained my points…no lies here from me.

        Nevertheless, if you are STILL so mad and upset with me, I would be happy to donate $50 to a charity of your choice to show my good faith in trying to make things good between us. This is a sincere offer – just let me know which charity you want me to send it to, please?

      • Trelane Bitch Slapped

        Sorry I don’t speak psycho-geek & don’t care just showing everyone the real you again. Just happy we don’t have to deal with you anymore. This is just a tiny, tiny taste of your own medicine that you kept on doing at TM for years. Spin, lie & troll on Marsha.

      • MJ

        Well, although I know you are still upset, I wanted to thank you for a very positive experience for me here. You have provided me a platform to publicly explain, apologize and try to atone for my really bad behavior on Trekmovie.com. This has been an introspective eye-opener for me. I am proud of myself that I was able to hold back and not respond negatively with any of my old trolling tactics to your posts, some of which were obviously designed to elicit an emotional-troll-like response from me.

        And you’ve also done me a service here by illustrating through your comments to any objective person that views our exchanges, what type of discourse happens over there on Trekmovie.com on a daily basis…and here are two examples of what two of your brethren posted there in just the last 24 hours:

        “Ladies and gentleman and newbies fans to this Star Trek Crap feast…expect more Khan, Klingon’s and Tribble references…in a nut shell, nothing new but the same old tired story lines with a huge F-U to fans and non fans alike. And Paramount actually pays these guys!!!! Unfraggin believable.”

        “yes, paramount, jj, boborci are all just EXPLOITING Star Trek… =( …and in the process, willfully corrupting and minimizing it’s true legacy. =( nu-trek sucks! =( celebrating the 50th will come from the fans! paramount can eat my shorts!”

        Yea, this is indicative of what Bad Robot and Bob Orci sees on Trekmovie every day…that’s why they don’t get exclusives or direct interview access anymore. OF COURSE THERE IS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP HERE…duh!!!

        And if you want to continue to post here back and forth for several days (or even weeks), I am up for it I am happy to continue to try to engage you in an intelligent manner, even if you are not. I am not the same person I was back on Trekmovie.com. I can no longer be baited into the type of dysfunctional and unhealthy discourse that is the hallmark of some of the posters on that fan site. I should know — I used to be king of the assholes over there. We all make mistakes in life.

        And I encourage you to keep bringing this up with me wherever I post on the internet. I have nothing to hide, and I am happy to let others know how I have left the past behind. That I have overcome past issues and am not that person anymore, is a personal strength, not a weakness. I will continue to fully admit to my bad former behavior and apologize over and over…if this takes years, so be it.

        So thank you again for giving me the platform for me to come completely clean here. And again, I personally apologize to you. Whatever you say next, I want you to know that I bear you no ill will. Keep coming at me if it helps you to make peace with my past behavior and all of the personal strife that I caused you.

      • Stinky H Mudd

        Still Are.

      • jack2211

        Anthony did this all the time back in the day.

      • MJ

        Good point, Jack. But Anthony had exclusives as well, plus commentary that showed he had special access. That’s all gone now. Nothing against the new staff, but:

        (1) They no longer have special connections or access to Bad Robot and the nuTrek movie team — Anthony had those connections with Orci and others — in fact, Anthony created the site to provide news and celebrate the new movies…that seems ironic to me now given the community over there overwhelmingly doesn’t appreciate nuTrek.

        (2) Since STID came out, the site, both the staff and the posters, has gone more negative on the nuTrek movies. Two prime examples were the Orci-fan viral internet incident & Trekmovie’s “What is Wrong with Star Trek” editorial. And it’s evident to any objective person looking at fan comments on different sf and Star Trek sites, that the fan group commentors on Trekmovie have a much higher rate of negative comments towards the new movies than on other sites such as Trekcore and Collider. So, given this, why would Bad Robot want to reward such a site with exclusives and access to the actors, etc? Do you think it’s an accident that Bob Orici and his two co-writers gave interviews recently to Trekcore and Collider only?

        I’d like to get your opinion on the above, Jack?

        I will also say that since I have been participating in Trek discussions on Trekcore and Collider, that I have been seeing a much more balanced group of people who both like and dislike the movies. It’s much more “healthy”.

      • Orion Slave Party

        You should be the last one to tell anyone what is healthy. Talking to one’s self 24 hrs a day in so many different guises, lying about and insulting others to control the board certainly isn’t.

      • Orion Slave Party

        You should be the last one to tell anyone what is healthy. Talking to one’s self 24 hrs a day in so many different guises, lying about and insulting others to control the board certainly isn’t.

      • Orion Slave Party

        You should be the last one to tell anyone what is healthy. Talking to one’s self 24 hrs a day in so many different guises, lying about and insulting others to control the board certainly isn’t.

      • MJ

        Hi Hank.

        I have this view because these other sites are now getting the original stories and access to the producers that Trekmovie once had. That’s an objective fact.

        Look at their latest entry from yesterday — an entire article on Quinto’s comments on the new movie…and buried within the article — you have to be looking really close to see it — is a link to the ORIGINAL SOURCE NEWS STORY on IGN. It’s misleading to readers to not call that out in the header or byline. The way the article is presented gives the false impression of a Trekmovie.com original breaking story. You’d never see that here on Collider or over at Trekcore.

        Regarding the banning from that site, after thinking about it for several months, the feeling is now mutual on my end as well — I have no interest in ever posting there again. Go look at the posts there now — it’s degraded into a constant battle of personalities with a bunch of “haters” of the new Trek movies taking over control of the comments section there (for example, see the constant personal battles between a poster called Keachick and others for instance..that’s ugly and disturbing).

        I was banned for taking on multiple ID’s to try to fight against the haters. I apologized to the site administrator for my actions, and I stand by that apology. Certainly this is not something I’m proud of, but the comments section nuTrek haters on that site are an embarrassment to all good and positive Star Trek fans, and I let my emotions get the best of me and tried to fight back in an unfair way, certainly…I fought my personal version of the Kobayasi Maru scenario over there — I tried to change the rules of the game to win with good intentions, if misguided ones.

        As an example, in regards to STID, Milo hit on this about right in his post here recently:

        “It seems like critics and the general public liked it just fine, it’s mostly some fanboys kicking and screaming online being negative about it.”

        Moreover, that site has never been the same since it’s founder, Anthony Pascale, left. First, Anthony had real access to to nuTrek producers and staff — that is no longer the case with the replacement staff. Secondly, Anthony was willing and able to actively moderate the negative posting on the nuTrek movies to not get let it all get too out of hand. The replacement staff is not willing to do that.

        That minority of fanboy haters Milo’s referring to have an active gang over at Trekmovie — that is where that embarrassing subgroup of “fans” now hang out together.

        For anyone wanting real and original news on the new Star Trek movies, and who also want to avoid that small, but incessantly vitriolic subgroup of nuTrek haters, I recommend using Trekcore and Collider as your primary news sources, and places to post legitimate fan comments.

    • jack2211

      Trekmovie mainly reported news stories even back then.

  • Pk

    They should have gone with joe Cornish

    • MJ

      Yea, Attack of the Block was just fracking classic…it should have won the Academy Award that year. It was the Blade Runner of the 21st Century.

      • Pk

        I wouldn’t go that far but yes it was a fun movie

      • Lovecraftlives

        Funny, not everyone liked Attack of the Block.

      • El Alto

        It was definitely one of those “The cool kids said it was cool, I wanna be a cool kid too. I love it cause they say so!” type movies. It was just fine, but not a movie that stuck with me.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Can’t tell if you’re serious or joking. Attack the Block was one of the worst films I’ve seen in a long time, unlikeable characters, bad acting, the writing, good Lord, it’s like what an upper class toff thinks the chavs speak like, it was embarrassing. “Trust”.

      • MJ

        joking….completely overated movie.

      • Aquartertoseven

        Good. I respect you once again.

      • mbmarquis69

        I couldn’t agree more.

      • Aquartertoseven

        You’re a wonderful human being. Never change.

  • Gojiro

    Get Harlan Ellison now!

  • mattinacan

    this is the face of the man who helps destroy popular franchises for personal financial gain.

  • Manuel Orozco

    I think I’d be still good if Orci directed Star Trek 3 as long as he keeps his word on its focus on the five year mission

    • Spanky

      He will.. but the tard will rip more plots, characters from the original series or movies because he can’t be arsed to come up with original new stories and characters

      • Manuel Orozco

        I don’t understand every word you are saying

    • mbmarquis69

      It would be great for the 50th anniversary to have a Star Trek movie that returns to hard science fiction, exploration, and adventure, but since the film is supposed to celebrate the franchise, I expect we’ll get a rehash again. A greatest hits, if you will. If it doesn’t find a way to work in the Borg I will be shocked.

      Edit/Add: and if it is another movie about the Borg, I can probably live with that. As much as I want to see something fresh, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at a $200 million dollar Borg movie. Not gonna lie.

      • Manuel Orozco

        I don’t care about rehash as long it is something entertaining I didn’t see Wrath of Khan anyway

      • Guy Smiley

        Your loss.

        It astounds me how many people over the last few years have said things “I never liked the original Star Trek (or any of the spinoff shows)… But this new one is COOL.”

        Maybe you think it is, Transformers fans, and that’s your right. But it’s just not Star Trek anymore.

      • Manuel Orozco

        I like both movie franchises equally bit Star Trek is more of more taste because the characters and themes are classic and universal

      • cruzzercruz

        Ugh. Give the hamster in your head some water, he’s getting a bit weary.

      • Manuel Orozco

        What does that mean

      • Manuel Orozco

        Say all you goddamn want

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  • kemo

    Why does it have to be a male director? Let’s get a little progressive folks

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  • eternalozzie

    they have a franchise that is working very well … they need to tune out the internet trolls … the “fans” they are hearing from are a very small minority … they need to proceed and keep the feel of the first 2 movies. An inexperienced director can make a good film when surrounded by good talent.

    • Manuel Orozco

      I am so with you in that I don’t care if Orci is inexperienced or not

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  • NICK НΛRT

    into darkness was awesome. fuck the internet haters. would prefer a more experienced director but we’ll see how it turns out. staying cautiously optimistic for now

    • Guy Smiley

      Never seen The Wrath of Khan, I take it? THERE’S your “awesome” Star Trek movie.

      • cruzzercruz

        I honestly don’t understand how anyone whose ever seen a movie before could think Into Darkness was “awesome.”

    • Guy Smiley

      Never seen The Wrath of Khan, I take it? THERE’S your “awesome” Star Trek movie.

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  • Ooops

    fuck this!!! we need a REBOOT someone who will do something different with it and take it away from the ultra stylish stuff JJ has done….we need someone who was a fan of the original shows and movies.

    • Guy Smiley

      Orci claims to be a big fan, but you wouldn’t know from the crappy scripts that guy churns out. He sure doesn’t seem to understand the basic humanity that Roddenberry brought it, which might be due to his being such a jerk of a human being himself. He doesn’t seem to have learned anything from watching Star Trek.

      Just memorizing a bunch of trivia. and throwing in cliches about Kirk being a horndog who fucks anything that moves, while treating the character like a fratboy who doesn’t have any of the nobility, intelligence or compassion of the “real”:(Shatner) Kirk proves that.

    • Guy Smiley

      Orci claims to be a big fan, but you wouldn’t know from the crappy scripts that guy churns out. He sure doesn’t seem to understand the basic humanity that Roddenberry brought it, which might be due to his being such a jerk of a human being himself. He doesn’t seem to have learned anything from watching Star Trek.

      Just memorizing a bunch of trivia. and throwing in cliches about Kirk being a horndog who fucks anything that moves, while treating the character like a fratboy who doesn’t have any of the nobility, intelligence or compassion of the “real”:(Shatner) Kirk proves that.

  • Ooops

    fuck this!!! we need a REBOOT someone who will do something different with it and take it away from the ultra stylish stuff JJ has done….we need someone who was a fan of the original shows and movies.

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  • Colin Christian

    I loved the first one,but the second took all that love threw it away,that was not Star Trek,at all. Has Orci even watched the original series? Seems not as there was nothing in the second flick that resembled Star Trek at all,it’s not Star Wars,it’s a different point of view,a fact that the film makers chose to ignore entirely.Money money,money.

    • MJ

      Will there be alien women with gigantic heads in the next one?

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  • Guy Smiley

    “Many were skeptical about director J.J. Abrams’ 2009 Star Trek reboot, but the finished film turned out to be the rare movie that seemed to please both die-hard fans and Trek newcomers in equal measure.”

    Don’t speak for everyone, Chitwood.

    That 2009 movie got by on charm, I guess, but the script was terrible and the long-time fans who actually did enjoy it were mostly just taken in by having something called “Star Trek” again as well all the little fan service-y moments that were shoehorned into the film. It’s not that good, and on repeat viewing the flaws stand out.

    And the less said about that second travesty, the better. So glad I saw that one for free.

    While it’s great that the Star Wars fan who never liked Star Trek is gone (good riddance, Jar Jar Abrams), it can only get worse in the hands of an inexperienced director who’s also one of the biggest writing hacks in Hollywood history. He’s also a creep of a human being who claims to love Star Trek, but Orci’s actions, beliefs, and mindless scripts don’t show any of the humanity that’s at the core of what Star Trek is really about.

    Or WAS all about, until he was allowed to play in the sandbox. The same fools who line up to see Transformers will probably go see Orci’s “Star Dreck,” but I won’t. “It’s dead, Jim.”

    • cruzzercruz

      Sploosh.

    • MJ

      We’ve heard this from you multiple times now — you seem to cut and paste this every time the new Star Trek movie article is put on Collider.

      We get it, dude. Message received!

      (These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…move along.)

  • TedSallis

    Yay! Still time to cut this guy loose from this project as well. Nobody has squandered their short lived Hollywood cache faster than this guy since M. Night Shyamalan.

    • Guest

      STFU you couch critic. The closet you ever came to a movie set is pictures in the pages of magazines. GTFOff my internet.

      • TedSallis

        I can’t recall ever criticizing a couch, or your “closet” for that matter. Where you put your hot pocket farts is none of my concern Verbal. If you’re mom is okay with it who am I to judge?

    • MJ

      You may not like his work, but to say he’s squandered his “Hollywood cache” right when he’s been given the keys to this franchise, is ridiculous.

      If you want to say he’s squandered his reputation amoung us fanboys, I can buy that as a legitimate topic for discussion. But obviously, his “Hollwood cache” — which would reference his ability to be successful in Hollwood — is at its apex right now.

    • MJ

      You may not like his work, but to say he’s squandered his “Hollywood cache” right when he’s been given the keys to this franchise, is ridiculous.

      If you want to say he’s squandered his reputation amoung us fanboys, I can buy that as a legitimate topic for discussion. But obviously, his “Hollwood cache” — which would reference his ability to be successful in Hollwood — is at its apex right now.

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  • Manuel Orozco

    Sometimes I have a hard time understanding debates

    • DoggyMcDogman

      That’s very clear at this point, cool guy

      • Manuel Orozco

        What is the point

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