Zack Snyder Making MAN OF STEEL “Edgy” Like THE DARK KNIGHT

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Today in Totally Unsurprising News, we’ve learned that director Zack Snyder has an edgier Superman planned for the reboot Man of Steel.  The news isn’t much of a shock since Snyder doesn’t make quiet, subtle pictures, and his ability to deliver something “edgy” was probably part of the reason why Warner Bros. and producer Christopher Nolan hired him in the first place.

In a recent interview, actor Dylan Sprayberry, who plays the young Clark Kent, talked about what Snyder has envisioned for the Man of Tomorrow’s new flight to the big screen.  Hit the jump for details.  Man of Steel stars Henry Cavill, Amy Adams, Michael Shannon, Kevin Costner, Diane Lane, Laurence Fishburne, Antje Traue, Harry Lennix, Ayelet Zurer, Christopher Meloni, Richard Schiff, and Russell Crowe.  The film opens June 14, 2013.

zack snyder-man-of-steel-supermanSpeaking to Clevver TV, Sprayberry mentioned how his first meeting with Snyder provided an idea of what the director was going for with Man of Steel:

“When Zack and I were talking about it the first time, he was saying how Superman, they want to give it a more edgy feel like ‘The Dark Knight’ but also make it more realistic and emotional so it’s not just the all-american superhero that saves everyone. He has dilemmas and love and struggles throughout the whole movie, especially when he’s a kid.”

Because when I go to see Superman, what I really want to see is Batman in a different costume and with superpowers.  I’m desperately trying not to prejudge the movie, and it’s possible that Snyder has refined his approach.  But going by Snyder’s track record, this is exactly what he has in store.

Once again, we must come back to the question of why does Superman need to be edgy?  Would it be the worst thing if we just accepted a good-hearted, non-emo Superman?  Making Supes “edgy” feels like a lazy way to generate conflict.  Furthermore, I dread the possibility that Nolan had dragged his anti-comic book sensibilities into another superhero property.  Nolan’s approach makes some sense in the Batman universe since the Dark Knight doesn’t have superpowers, but Superman should be larger than life.  He doesn’t need to be edgy.  What’s so wrong about leaving cynicism behind, and believing in “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”, if only for a couple hours?

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  • Mike

    “Zip it, Goldberg! We’re sick of hearing your opinion yet keep coming back to this site time and again.”

    “Real professional, Goldberg! Why can’t you just REPORT the news?!?!?!”

    “BITCH BITCH BITCH WHINE!”

    • ClarkKent2o6

      I disagree on much of what Matt says, but with this, he’s exactly right. Nolanizing Superman is bullshit. Those of us that are fans of Supes want the bigger than life “All Star” Superman, or maybe the “What do you get the Man of Tomorrow” Superman… but what we DON’T WANT is Batman in the red blue and yellow.

      • james

        Honestly, I’m not expecting anything from this movie simply because Snyder is at the helm. He has yet to make a movie that’s not pure spectacle. 300, Watchmen, Sucker Punch, and The Owls were all lacking in the ability to make me care for the characters. Unless Snyder completely changes his approach to filmmaking, I predict that this movie will be absolutely destroyed by the critics. As far as money making goes, it’ll probably do decent at the box office if it’s even marginally acceptable due to its being a superhero flick.

      • Josias

        Superman is bullshit in first place, just as Wonder woman.
        My opinion.

  • Mike91

    Matt, you have to realise that no matter how gritty and realistic they make it, a man will be flying around in a cape. So I don’t mind the realistic approach, but I am skeptical about Synder’s reliance on CGI. It’s funny considering Nolan has the opposite attitude to it, and he hired him.

    Maybe Nolan is trying to sabotage Superman so he can have the greatest comic book movie adaptation for a bit longer. I joke. LOLOLOL.

  • Sojourner

    I’m convinced Goldberg is a troll. Secretly he is peeing in his pants with excitement at what Snyder has in store for Superman.

    • terry

      Pee? Don’t forget a few clumps of boo boo in his tidy whities.

  • MR.Rich316

    @Mike Zip it yourself douchebag. Goldberg writes like a fan because he is a fan. If you don’t like it, skip the Goldberg articles or read a different blog on some other site. Trolls like you take up the air better left for meth addicts and street beggars.

  • JKid

    Haha I love how everyone who comments needs to mention Matt’s writing. He’s allowed to voice his opinion. If you don’t like it, don’t read the article and waste your time commenting how deeply you despise him… I’m sure he’s not the only person on the internet reporting this story..

    • chaos….reigns

      The problem is that Matt and much of Collider in general is trying to go for AV Club style snark but are unfortunately not witty enough to pull it off in any meaningful way. While there is arguably some value in Goldberg’s argument(Captain America shows an earnest superhero film can still work) it doesn’t show why the article’s thesis is necessary.

  • Dr.H

    ”Because when I go to see Superman, what I really want to see is Batman in a different costume and with superpowers. I’m desperately trying not to prejudge the movie, and it’s possible that Snyder has refined his approach. But going by Snyder’s track record, this is exactly what he has in store.”

    They don’t exactly mean “Batman grimdark”, when they say edgy like the Dark Knight just interpret those words as meaning making a film within the DNA of the Superman mythology in a fashion similar to the Dark Knight.
    Again view this as a Modernization of the character.

  • jinn

    I think the man of steel needs something to get him started in most peoples eyes as a person, hence the edgy. Most of the compilations I’ve read, have him being all about tjaw, but he’s emotional about how its not working in his eyes for the situation.

    But, I’m worried that Snyder is gonna Immortals all over Superman. Much as I liked the action, fight sequences were nice, thy mythos felt really muttled, which could have been because of the comic, but still.

  • EV M

    I can identify with you all the way, but that’s some knee-jerk, reflexive hating there, when we all know so little about what this movie’s truly going to be.

    Besides, maybe taking Kal-El’s eyebrows away gives him all the “edge”
    Snyder wants.

  • brandon

    If Goldberg is going to bitch about something, I’m glad it’s a Zack Snyder movie! That guy (Snyder) needs to get out of Hollywood. He should stick with making music videos since his movies are 70% montage anyways. That’s why the trailers for his movies look so good.

    • chaos….reigns

      Montage heavy film isn’t inherently bad or unworthy I mean Soviet cinema of the 20s is some of the finest film ever made. And while I won’t argue Snyder is on par with Eisenstein I will say he is at least a idiosyncratic film-maker in an age of personality free journeymen working in the studios. While Suckerpunch may not have landed in the script it was well directed and I will be interested to see what he does with a great caste and possibly solid script.

      • brandon

        Maybe the first two times, but he does the same crap over and over again. And the fact that you used Sucker Punch of all movies kind of voids your argument. That movie rehashes on itself over and over again.

  • Ryan George

    Matt Goldberg masturbates to gay things.

    • Bryce Forestieri

      takes one to know one, get off the couch you fucking loser

  • potterboy

    i’ve said this before and i’ll say it again.

    MATT GOLDBERG, why don’t you just MAKE a movie?! you know alot about it. you have “better” opinions than anybody. why don’t you actually try and do movies, instead of hiding in the journalist field and whine about this and that.

    i would be there on opening night. i promise. i’m curious to see if your opinions about this and that would actually lead you to make better films than most people.

    “written and directed by MATT GOLDBERG”. we want to see it!

  • 4815162342

    I wonder after this gen of DC reboots, will we see a Superman & Batman movie…

  • 4815162342

    I wonder after this current gen of DC movies will we see a reboot with Superman and Batman (metropolis and gotham city) plot rolled into one…

  • sunny

    its cos of people like Matt jpurnos are hated more n more. ….take a loooooooong holiday n comeback on d release day dude i wish Sups could just ‘ray’ him

  • nelson

    god you people and matt are dumb

    you do realize the movie and the world can be edgy and dark while still keeping superman character the beacon of hope

  • Jay McKells

    The problem with Matt Goldberg is he epitomises the saying “sarcasm is the lowest form of wit”.. And that’s coming from a massive fan of sarcastic/sardonic humour. Most of his writing just reeks of trying too hard, which is why it grates on people so much instead of getting the LOL’s he craves…

    On topic I’m intrigued to see this version of Superman, but like Goldberg’s sarcastic writing I’m not sure it’ll hit the mark..

  • Lance

    I really don’t want to see Super -”Angst”- Man.

  • Crad

    Dear Matt,

    I am sorry for all the hate you get via user comments. I love the site and visit multiple time every day to find out all about what’s going on and what’s coming up with movies. If people don’t like the comedic/sarcastic additions in your writing then they can just go somewhere else for all their movie new. Collider is NOT the New Yorker and people need to stop pretending it is. Collider is fantastic at what it sets out to do: “an uncalled for, online barrage of breaking news, incisive commentary and irreverent attitude that will do for the internet what Art Modell did for the Cleveland Browns; i.e. move it to Baltimore.” See, that’s funny, but if I didn’t like it I would just not come back. I don’t think Michael Bay fancies himself a “film” maker or believes he will win any significant awards (Pearl Harbor excepted) but he can certainly put out lightweight and exhilarating popcorn flicks. Collider is the popcorn flick of entertainment news. If someone wants serious writing on entertainment, they can read the pretentious NY Times’ Arts section. Otherwise they can just accept Collider for what it is and ease up a̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶t̶l̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶t̶ a lot.

    Sincerely,

    Crad (longtime Collider reader)

  • Kaspar Hauser

    “What’s so wrong about leaving cynicism behind, and believing in “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”, if only for a couple hours?”

    First of all: nobody said this will be a cynic approach. Edgy and realistic doesn’t means cynical.

    The problem with the “Truth, Justice an the American Way” is that we’re not in the 50′s, 60′s, 70′s or 80′s anymore. Today we have Internet, Facebook, the world is connected in a new way, the global power relations are changing. We live in the post-9/11 world. Similarly, the arts reflects these changes. As David Goyer rightly wrote in that polemic comic book: “Truth, justice and the american way are not enough anymore”.

    It’s absurd to require to the 2013′s Superman to be like the Christopher Reeve’s one. Is like puting a guy in a suit with a red cape, make him speak like Bela Lugosi and call him Dracula, expecting that it will cause some dread in the current audience.

    I repeat: nobody said it will be cynical, nobody said it will be a The Dark Knight remake with Batman wearing a blue uniform. The official synopsis talks about Superman being a “beacon of hope” or something like that. Being “edgy” does not necessarily imply the absence of hope.

    And Zack Snyder can’t make a quiet movie? Besides the personal opinions about the quality of the (polemic) Watchmen movie, people have to agree that it’s not a big action blockbuster. In fact, if you add up all the action scenes, they’ll probably take less than 15 minutes of the movie. A 3 hours and 10 minutes movie (Director’s Cut)! So, I don’t want to say that he’s a french New Wave director, but I believe he’s really far away from being this exclusive “cool action style” director that people say — and yes, I say it for all his movies. Even 300 and Sucker Punch have their subtleties.

    Note: Sorry for the english.

  • Sci-fi

    Wow, alot of people hate Goldberg and continue to read his work. Why am I not surprised? Lot of masochists out there.

  • Crad

    I am a Superman freak, but the last several iterations have been less than stellar (Superman 3, 4, Lois and Clark, the horribly uneven Smallville, nostalgic and forgettable Superman Returns). I am glad that DC did a reboot on their Hero arsenal and I am pumped that they are at least trying to do something different and imaginative with the franchise. The greatest made-up hero of all time (IMHO) has been left behind and untouchable, and I am glad they are trying something different without using Nic Cage, glowing suits, or Lex Luthor as a CIA agent. The Super-Suit being neo-medievel is genius and I thought it makes the cape relevant. It reminded me of Thor as he blended in at Asgard but only sticks out here. The only question I ever had with Superman’s costume was how he hides it under his clothes especially with a six-foot drapery attached to his back. I thought the idea of it being a Green Lantern type of suit started to make sense a little. As far as darkness is concerned, I don’t think Kal-El will be dark but the world he is confronted with will be. At least I hope.

  • Rockslide

    I don’t know why so many of you get on Matt’s case, especially when he’s speaking the truth.

    Superman is in a lot of ways the opposite of Batman. He shouldn’t be forced into Batman’s box. It just doesn’t make sense. Superman should be the eternal optimist. He is hope and what we strive to emulate.

    I agree with Matt that going “edgy” is a lazy way to generate conflict. Hopefully these are just the worthless buzzwords that everyone throws around nowadays and the actual movie will preserve the truth, justice, and American way ideals Superman should represent.

    • brandon

      Thank You! They want to give him more humanity and internal dilemma. The truth is that Superman looks at things in a very black and white/right and wrong sort of way.He is supposed to be a more wholesome character. If I want dark and edgy, I read Batman not Superman.

  • sense 11

    It better be edgy, thats what the people want. And by people i mean everyone except Smallville fans.

  • Tyler

    I think “Nolanizing” Superman is a terrible idea. However, judging from the plethora of released set pics from last year, i would say that the “dark and edgy” feel comes from two things: Losing his Earth father and realizing that he isnt the only Kryptonian left. We can judge for now, but its best to wait and see.

  • hesan1gga

    shutup kike.

  • terry

    There is no reason on earth why this Superman movie is being made other than making money and tying SM to effing over priced slurpee cups with holograms. They’re not even the big gulp size. Sheesh!
    And why haven’t , after all this time have we not seen a teaser trailer for this up coming flick!
    I saw the immortals. Junk!!!!! And Henry Car, whatever, has zeeeeeero charisma.
    This movie is going to bomb worst than a piece of turd from my a** after eating too much fiber.
    KAPLOW!!!!!!

  • David

    I think the “Nolanization” will simply be trying to rationalize Superman’s world. It is a tough sell that an alien not only exists, but is the world’s hero. I just think the world Nolan and Snyder will create will make it seem like their really could be a Krypton and a flying man. There could be an alien who thinks he is the last of his kind that grows up kind of “edgy.” He won’t be making it emo…

  • Rev. Slappy

    “When Zack and I were talking about it the first time, he was saying how Superman, they want to give it a more edgy feel like ‘The Dark Knight’ but also make it more realistic and emotional so it’s not just the all-american superhero that saves everyone. He has dilemmas and love and struggles throughout the whole movie, especially when he’s a kid.”

    Out of that whole paragraph Matt hones in on one word. And then he bitches about Snyder lacking nuance.

  • Strong Enough

    no one wants emo superman anymore. We want a badass superman that ACTUALLY HITS SOMETHING.

    this is a good move. its 2012 time for a change. this isn’t your grandma’s Superman anymore

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  • blue980

    superman

  • AlexHeyNa

    “…they want to give it a more edgy feel like ‘The Dark Knight’ but also make it more realistic and emotional so it’s not just the all-american superhero that saves everyone.”

    So in other words, you’re going to try to make Superman seem like he could exist, when that’s not in his character at all. STOP TRYING TO MIMIC THE DARK KNIGHT’S FORMULA. Just because it works for Batman, doesn’t mean it’s going to work for Superman, an actual SUPER hero. If any other “super” hero could exist, it’s Iron Man, and the “all-American superhero” style worked with that. So STOP trying to make everything like The Dark Knight.

    I say this as though this story comes as a surprise. We all knew all along that that was the vibe they were gonna go for. “Gritty and realistic”, as they say nowadays. I hate Zack Snyder. I’m sure Chris Nolan had a lot to do with this decision, as well. But I don’t hate him. He’s a good filmmaker. Snyder is NOT.

    • Anthony Ngu

      I hate the word gritty and realistic because in the real world things aren’t always nasty and dark, more often than not its drab and boring , with the occasional fuck up dark and nasty moments. Its like people mistakenly and incessantly calling your cousin your brother or sister even though they live a long way away from you and who you aren’t all that close to

    • kadajawi

      Even Iron Man is relatively gritty and grounded in reality. To a degree. Somehow I think this is what Snyder and Nolan are going for. Sort of. Of course Superman’s character is different from both Batman’s and Iron Man’s. But really, Superman Returns looked like no one bothered, they were all just in it for the paycheck. That’s how it looked like to me. I hope this time the filmmakers actually care about the movie, and, well, I think they do.

      What does irk me a bit is Snyder attempting to make something realistic. Gritty he can. Stylish he can. But realistic? I really enjoyed 300 and Sucker Punch, and I also cared for the characters in Sucker Punch, but I’m not sure how he is going to pull off this realism thing. Although I think I’d be excited to see a typical Snyder style Superman movie. Could be fun.

  • Cem

    I’m convinced that the whole Nolan-izing Superman thing is just because it will all end in a “Batman & Superman” (if not a Justice League) superflick in the near future…

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  • Mike

    Did no one get that I was being sarcastic and actually think that Matt deserves his own *gasp* opinion?

    Oh, and yes, this discussion needed a good dose of anti-Semitism, hesan1gga. Classy.

  • rob

    Jeez, if I wanted all this snarkiness, I’d go back to aintitcool.

    Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. if you don’t like it, get out of your mothers basement and go start your own site instead of turning this one into just another pool of anger and vitriol.

    *sigh*

  • joeblack

    the problem with superman returns wasn’t the style or the tone. the problem was the script. the green lantern movie was an obvious attempt at copying the iron man movie formula, and look how that turned out. the reason different superheroes resonate with different people and stand out, is because they are different from one another. superman is not batman. let them be what they are and make it work. don’t change it just because you don’t know HOW to make it work.

  • joseph

    I think most people who watch these movies don’t follow comic book lore at all. They misinterpret everything they see…

    Superman IS truth, justice and the American Way…he is the one being who is infallible, he’s not uncorruptable, magic has it’s way with him, but without outside interference he does no wrong. CR’s Superman, Lois and Clark, Smallville and even (I can’t believe I’m saying this) Superman returns were all great in their own respect.

    Creating internal strife within Clark Kent/Kal El would only happen early on in life, before he becomes the hero this world needs. To have him troubled with decisions isn’t against the rules, but should be treaded on lightly. Just before they restarted superman, he did go through the doubting of all he stands for. but only to realize that he is the shining light in the dark.

  • jarvis3205

    Now I know that everyone’s entitled to their own opinions…because I’ve got my own…but there is so much to be done with Superman that its a shame someone else hasn’t.

    Top bill for me would be his feelings & HIS troubles fitting in with humanity. Sure he’s Superman…but there’s more to him than that. The guy’s literally an alien that needs to go native with the fleas & ants to fit in…that’s where I’m interested.

    Also…he does need to be more like Dr Manhattan in the sense that he is Godish. There are gonna be worshippers & there are gonna be situations that he will be morally conflicted & also situations that he can fix with a snap of his mighty thumb & gig finger.

    How would he function as a tool for stopping wars?
    Ending suffering?
    So on & so on.

    In total disagreement with Matt…& his opinions…I want to see the darker side of Supes because if he’s gotta fit in with the ants he’s also gonna take on some of their traits.

    Humans, at the end of the day, are dark & conflicted…he needs to be no different & must be held accountable.

    Bring on a new take…why not.

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  • captain40

    I wonder what Superman’s farts smell like.

  • Arion

    My first time on collider, and this is the first time reading the article. not very impressed. Questions and Answers,

    Q: “Once again, we must come back to the question of why does Superman need to be edgy?”
    A: Because not everything in life is happy and rainbows. No one wants to see Superman in Narnia where the biggest conflict is a bunch of sad kids wishing to go back to NARNIA because thats where life is “perfect.” If thats the case, pick SAN FRANCISCO to be Metropolis, and Superman will be wearing pink and baby blue so he can be “HAPPY” with a RAINBOW BUMPER STICKER

    Q: “Would it be the worst thing if we just accepted a good-hearted, non-emo Superman?”
    A: Edgy doesn’t mean emo, just mean he is human. If you are raised by humans, you will be human. Superman isn’t raised by Optimus Prime.

    Q: “What’s so wrong about leaving cynicism behind, and believing in “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”, if only for a couple hours?”
    A: If you want to leave cynicism behind, the watch FULL HOUSE, wait even FULL HOUSE has cynicism at some point. “TRUTH JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY?” you sure you are not from a different planet? Who wants to watch a movie that doesn’t have any real life scenarios. And if anyone have been reading, this is the first movie ZACK SNYDER WILL BE SHOOTING without all the colorful CGI.

  • graciela.

    My knee jerk reaction to an edgy Superman is hell no! But some people here have some great ideas about how to use that edginess without making Clark, himself, an edgy person.

    Maybe it could be more about the state of the world and the darkness in our lifetime (war, economic collapse, etc). Even in Millar’s Red Son, the soviet Superman was still a good guy who put people first. The circumstances around the story were gritty and presented interesting reversal of roles, but Superman was still humanity’s hope. He was still a superhero, regardless of what flag he flew under.

    So I hope that if they go with a realistic telling of Superman, it’s the world that’s dark, the circumstances that are gritty, not Clark.

    And hey, Thor was hardly gritty and realistic but it still worked. They sold the magical aspects of it because they did it well.

  • Truth

    Superman is not a DARK character. To even attempt to him him such a character, goes against all that he stood for. Don’t make it a Superman movie, you fking retards. You made your “dark superman” movie- it was called hancock and it sucked. Just like the last superman movie and jus tlike this one will. BATMAN is a dark character. There is a balance in the DC comic series’. People need to get their heads out of the toilet and learn how to enjoy life, unless ofcourse you are secretly trying to program all our children to be dark little assholes. Hmm…… fk off from Superman. If you can’t handle what is is, what he stands for and what he’s come from, then just fk off and go watch hancock again. Losers.

  • Hank Henshaw

    Everyone here asking for a Nolan-like Superman has been served by The Avengers. The Avengers proves that a movie with a lighter tone, high-octane action and a heart, can be a bigger movie that the supposedly “adult” Dark Knight BS. Man of Steel is going to look soooo bad next year, after having The Avengers this year. Shame, Superman deserves better than this or Returns.

  • Yuuuuup

    Last guy said exactly what i was thinking. I know people are saying dont copy formulas. But the tone of Avengers was exactly how a Superman movie should feel. I thought that immediately after seeing it. All these movies need to be made by hardcore comic nerds from now on. Maybe Simon Pegg or someone similar.

  • dan

    anybody ever think of maybe waiting until the dam movie reaches theaters to voice an opinion on it whether it be good or bad??? just asking

  • Timesthree

    Why the hell can’t they just make Grant Morrison’s All-Star Superman into a movie? Why this knee-jerk reaction to the Avengers or the Nolan films? An All-Star Supes would be more than deep enough for adults, and cartoonish enough for kids. Better yet, it would truly be something we haven’t seen before!

  • Willy

    Dear matt, u have to understand hollywood wants to please the audience, most people want dark and egdier films so hollywood has granted their wish.

  • kadajawi

    Even Iron Man is relatively gritty and grounded in reality. To a degree. Somehow I think this is what Snyder and Nolan are going for. Sort of. Of course Superman\’s character is different from both Batman\’s and Iron Man\’s. But really, Superman Returns looked like no one bothered, they were all just in it for the paycheck. That\’s how it looked like to me. I hope this time the filmmakers actually care about the movie, and, well, I think they do.

    What does irk me a bit is Snyder attempting to make something realistic. Gritty he can. Stylish he can. But realistic? I really enjoyed 300 and Sucker Punch, and I also cared for the characters in Sucker Punch, but I\’m not sure how he is going to pull off this realism thing. Although I think I\’d be excited to see a typical Snyder style Superman movie. Could be fun.

  • President Harry Truman

    This article scratches me right where I itch. “Truth, justice and the American way” is the motto assigned to Superman by the two men that created him. Who is David Goyer to say he need to assign Superman different qualities? Superman was created in 1938 (or at least first published in that year) not the “50s”. To my surprise and delight, the current Marvel films have encompassed patriotism in their films with success and only little criticism. Making Superman have new, more trendy values is like what Hollywood has done to James Bond, who is now a far-cry in personality and values as the one created by Ian Fleming in the early 1950s. Hollywood decided that a man fighting for the civility of “Queen and country” and western civilization is uncool and inconvenient to modern trends. I hope this film has the vintage of Action Comics, but I doubt it.

  • 1720

    @arion

    I have to completely disagree

    1. Edgy does not humanize a character it demoralizes them making them the victim of their frailties instead of what real grown up people do which is develope some strength of will and overcome them. Humanity is varied some characters should be edgy others should not making them all flawed and angsty takes away from the ones who should be that way. Making superman edgy takes away from batman for a quick example.

    2. There really are non edgy people out there there are people who do great things with out a host of inner demons and there are quite a few bad people with lots of issues and emotional problems. No a non edgy superman would really actually be a good thing especially if you make the villian really dark. High contrast is not childish. And has stood the test of time longer than any dark work of fiction look at the illiad, the once and future king, and a lot of the other classics. The first dark novel is maybe 150 by compare.

    3. Truth justice and the american way well lets talk on that a moment. The only way to kill an idea is to stop believing in it. And the only way to reach it is to believe and chase it. Cynicism is why we live in a society that IS screwed up why we abandoned our beliefs our morality and our souls along the way. The fault of cynicism is it dekivers what it promises NOTHING. If that is what you want then you can have nothing me Ill chase the dream and reap the rewards of every small success enjoy being stable happy and wealthy from the fruits of my labor. Enjoy your nothing the world is built on dreams and sweat, given shape in faith and blood and as long as some one is willing go ahead and tear it down. Ill build it back better and stronger than ever because I have faith in my self I can dream of a better future and I believe that given time I can make it happen. Next time you say that you dont believe in truth justice and the american way remember this some where in your family some one believed in it and hauled your ancestors across an ocean packed in a wooden box because they believed in it fought wars to protect it. Dreamed of every convienience you take for granted even with people saying it was impossible and made it possible for you to sit at home on your couch and type your cynicism on the internet because they believed in dreams inspite of cynics, and believed in truth justice and the American way so that some secret police force doesn’t bust down your door and drag you off for it. Enjoy your cynicism we dreamers and believers made it possible.

  • 1720

    @arion

    I have to completely disagree

    1. Edgy does not humanize a character it demoralizes them making them the victim of their frailties instead of what real grown up people do which is develope some strength of will and overcome them. Humanity is varied some characters should be edgy others should not making them all flawed and angsty takes away from the ones who should be that way. Making superman edgy takes away from batman for a quick example.

    2. There really are non edgy people out there there are people who do great things with out a host of inner demons and there are quite a few bad people with lots of issues and emotional problems. No a non edgy superman would really actually be a good thing especially if you make the villian really dark. High contrast is not childish. And has stood the test of time longer than any dark work of fiction look at the illiad, the once and future king, and a lot of the other classics. The first dark novel is maybe 150 by compare.

    3. Truth justice and the american way well lets talk on that a moment. The only way to kill an idea is to stop believing in it. And the only way to reach it is to believe and chase it. Cynicism is why we live in a society that IS screwed up why we abandoned our beliefs our morality and our souls along the way. The fault of cynicism is it dekivers what it promises NOTHING. If that is what you want then you can have nothing me Ill chase the dream and reap the rewards of every small success enjoy being stable happy and wealthy from the fruits of my labor. Enjoy your nothing the world is built on dreams and sweat, given shape in faith and blood and as long as some one is willing go ahead and tear it down. Ill build it back better and stronger than ever because I have faith in my self I can dream of a better future and I believe that given time I can make it happen. Next time you say that you dont believe in truth justice and the american way remember this some where in your family some one believed in it and hauled your ancestors across an ocean packed in a wooden box because they believed in it fought wars to protect it. Dreamed of every convienience you take for granted even with people saying it was impossible and made it possible for you to sit at home on your couch and type your cynicism on the internet because they believed in dreams inspite of cynics, and believed in truth justice and the American way so that some secret police force doesn\’t bust down your door and drag you off for it. Enjoy your cynicism we dreamers and believers made it possible.

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