Joss Whedon Says He Knew the Plot of THE AVENGERS 2 Before He Made AVENGERS; Reveals Filming Will Likely Begin in February

     April 16, 2013


While Phase Two of the Marvel Cinematic Universe kicks off in earnest next month with the release of Iron Man 3, fans are understandably clamoring for information regarding the next team-up film The Avengers 2.  We still have four Marvel movies to go through before we see the Avengers sequel—in addition to Iron Man 3 there’s Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Guardians of the Galaxy—but writer/director Joss Whedon is already quite deep in development on The Avengers 2.  The filmmaker revealed in January that his first draft of the script should be done “in a couple of months,” and a few weeks ago we learned that filming is slated to take place in the U.K. in early 2014.

Now Whedon has offered a bit of an update on the superhero sequel, revealing that he already had an idea of the plot of The Avengers 2 before he had figured out The Avengers and confirming that production will likely begin in February.  He also talked a bit about being privy to all of the Marvel goodness that’s yet to come.  Hit the jump to see what he had to say.

the-avengers-2-sequel-joss-whedonSpeaking with Entertainment Tonight (via CBM), Whedon revealed when filming on Avengers 2 might begin and talked about how the idea for the sequel came about:

“We should start shooting I think in February… I didn’t think I was gonna do the second one, but I had an idea for it before I had figured out the first one.  You go into a movie not assuming that there’s going to be [another one].  I’ve seen plenty of movies that were the first part of the trilogy that never happened and it’s terrible.  You don’t save anything for the trip back.  Having said that, though, I did sort of know, ‘Well if they were to come back, I know what’s going to happen… it’s going to be awful.’”

captain-america-2-winter-soldier-chris-evansPart of Whedon’s contract with Marvel for The Avengers 2 also made him an official “creative consultant” on all of the studios other films, and so Whedon has been checking in with the progress of the upcoming Phase Two pics in addition to his script work on Avengers 2:

“I’m really excited [for Phase Two] because I’ve gotten to look at everything and see behind the curtain on all the stuff, and Kevin Feige has a really clear vision and runs through all these movies.  They’re all very different, but they really are what the next story should be.”

With production set to get underway next February, we’re quite a ways off from knowing much about the Avengers follow-up.  The safe bet is on Thanos being the film’s main villain, and it’ll be interesting to see if Marvel brings Whedon to Comic-Con this summer to announce casting or the lineup for Avengers 2, or if they’ll keep the panel focused on the early Phase Two films.  Either way, Collider will be there in full force to bring you a rundown of the many, many Hall H panels.

Watch the full Entertainment Tonight video interview with Whedon below.


  • Hugo

    “You don’t save anything for the trip back.”

    Is it a ‘Gattaca’ reference right here ?

  • Sean B

    I hope that Robert Downey Jr will be in The Avengers 2 !!! And I hope he does not retire playing the role of Tony Stark ‘Iron Man’ !!!

  • Jake Doe

    Knew the plot of Avengers 2 before filming began on the first on…….I’m sure you did Whedon, I’m sure you did.

    I’m a fan but he went “douche” real fast. Every interview I’ve seen with him he comes across as a bitter kid who is throwing a tamtrum because for so long no one would give him the time of day when it came to features.

    We get it Whedon, for so long you were trying to get your voice out to the general public and no one listened to you (virtually no one). Now that you have directed one of the most profitable films of all time you got this “told ya so” shit attitude. Whatever, A2 is gonna be dope!

    Also…………….Shut up Matt Goldberg, FUCK YOU.



    • Ash Talon

      Wow. Such anger. I don’t get the sense that Whedon’s Avengers success has gone to his head at all. There were quotes from him after the movie came out in which he said Avengers wasn’t a great or even good movie but was a good time. He seems to acknowledge the mediocrity of it as a film. I get the feeling the 2nd film will be better.

      As for his knowing what the sequel will be, I’m sure he had some ideas while figuring out the first one. It’s all part of brainstorming and exploring the characters. Not everything can go into one movie, so some of his ideas will be put in the sequel.

    • Josh

      Joss Whedon should realize that The Avengers’ success has absolutely nothing to do with him. In fact, the crappy parts of Avengers, the part that make people say, “oh it was actually a shit film” were due to his lack of skill as a director and writer. And when I say writer I mean story teller as opposed to writer of snappy patter.

      They could have gotten Brett Ratner or Zack Snyder to direct and it would still have been HUGE. The basic story is all Kevin Feige, they just need a director to move things along.

      • Muh

        School us on the crappy parts Josh, you’re so smart and wonderful, why won’t Hollywood pay attention to you?

        Ratner wouldn;’t have gotten the story going like Joss, Ratner can’t bring it. Snyder would have shot it well, but would he have brought the humor and fought for the stuff that Joss fought for, which made the movie memorable…like Hulk smashing Loki? Doubt it.

        The writing and directing of The Avengers worked as one. Say what you will about Joss Whedon, but he knows how to make a fun, entertaining movie.

      • Happy-Key

        Are you kidding?
        Brett Ratner & Zack Snyder are HACKS!!
        C. Nolan had FULL control of DC’s best character and still couldn’t beat Whedon.
        The only other capable director is James Cameron.

    • LEM

      Wow I’ve never gotten any of that from him. I never thought him to be anything but appreciative for his fans. He’s cultivated one of the most loyal fan bases in Hollywood and if now he finally gets to say “I told you so” to some untalented executive you and all of us should applaud that.

    • Happy-Key

      Jake Doe,
      What’s wrong with you??

  • Lance

    I actually worry about what Whedon would consider a “great” movie.

    He needs a firm hand at Marvel to pull him back from his excesses. He’s attracted to ideas that are far too clever for the sake of being clever, and he’ll even undercut the drama of a moment or scene just to get in a joke that lets you know how clever he is being. And that’s how you get Wal-Mart references in an “Alien” movie.

    I think a lot of his appeal is that the underlying message in all his work is: “I’m being very clever here, and I know you know I’m being clever here, so that means you’re clever, too.” I prefer films where the storyteller wants to immerse you in the world and the story they’ve created, not that kind of stuff.

    • Chris

      Well, look at you, figured it all out. Aren’t you clever?

      Real genius.

      • Lance

        You may be angry now, but you’ll never be able to enjoy a Joss Whedon movie the same way again, now that you know it’s all an exercise in flattery and ego-stroking. The veil of self-deception has been parted from your mind’s eye.

        And that’s a good thing.

    • Harrow

      Yes Lance, that’s a very accurate assessment. That’s why I hate Joss Whedon’s guts, this fat, little bald ginger with a lisp who makes black and white updates of Shakespeare plays thinks he’s god’s gift to snappy patter.

      I had wished all his failures on TV and film would have put an end to his career in “entertainment” but then Avengers happened and now his ego is through the roof. Luckily SHIELD will get cancelled like all his other shows and after Avengers his “directing” career will fizzle because no studio head in Hollywood take him seriously.

      • Muh

        Wow, you’re angry. Failed writer? I usually see people who want to make stuff that successful people do be really angry when they fail at it, but are so certain that they’re a lot better than said successful person. Like why so many of my film school buddies hate Tarantino so much, but they’re doing the same basic shit, only much worse.

  • jarvis3205

    Nice. For the record…I actually enjoyed the Avengers & that’s why I shelled out the cash for three sittings & brought several fellow cinema (not just geeks like me) lovers who got the jokes & the picture in its entirety for what it was: Good Fun. Roll on Part 2.

  • jarvis3205

    All of that being said…I’m not really sure their “inner-cleverness” on top of “egotistical stoking” applies to Whedon alone here. All of these characters within this group, outside of Banner, could carry those titles on their shoulders on any given Sunday to Sunday. It’s not that hard to rationalize.

    Now, I’m no Whedon groupie, there are times that I even considered him a bit overrated…& then I saw Avengers, again & several handfuls of times over again. It never got old…cinema, download, nor BLU-ray. In all truth, Firefly & its cinema adaptation were the first thing that he’d ever done that actually reached me. What Whedon does with witty (or clever) moments is what roped me in.

    The moments of one on one banter amongst the heroes as they calm/grapple with their respective ego trips are the best parts of the Avengers for me. I often wonder how much of RDJ’s snarky material is his own rabbits from the hat hits & what’s scripted, just because he’s so consistently hillarious. That’s ABSOLUTELY not a dig at Whedon…but I still can’t let go of the “Think she wants the GALLAGHER line from Iron Man 2

    • Lance

      I actually like the Avengers a lot. It’s an example where Marvel _did_ pull Whedon back from his worst impulses. I think Whedon has even admitted as much in interviews.

      But the rest of Whedon’s material? Serenity and Dollhouse get all kinds of praise from the fans, but they are ultimately extremely flawed, and there’s a reason they didn’t catch on.

      • Andrew

        I didn’t think Serenity was all that bad to be honest,…Dollhouse however,was awful!

  • jarvis3205

    Whoops: … The line from Iron Man 2 was the best line to date…up until Whedon’s Shakespeare in the park or Schwarma (?) joke took the cake.

  • spongefist

    Avengers is do date the best superhero movie, yes even better than TDK.

    It is pure fun, spectacle, action, larger than life characters actually coming to life in a way that works. It was nothing short of an outstanding effort in screen writing, direction, CG blah.

    Nolan is the one you should be bitter about, he’s a one trick wonder, and that was luck because Ledger turned out one of the greatest screen performances of all time.

    Firefly and serenity were also both amazing.

    • Happy-Key

      Very True

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