David Cronenberg’s Got No Love for THE DARK KNIGHT RISES and Other Superhero Movies

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I wouldn’t say David Cronenberg‘s one of my all-time favorite directors, but he’s close.  He makes fascinating, disturbing movies that shock audiences not for shock value, but to force them to consider complicated ideas.  While I think his movies are worth seeking out (look for my review of his latest film, Cosmopolis, tomorrow), his recent comments probably won’t endear himself to some superhero movie fans.  Speaking to NextMovie, Cronenberg says he doesn’t agree with the perception that directors like Christopher Nolan are elevating the genre.

Hit the jump for the full quote from Cronenberg and my reaction.  Cosmopolis opens in limited release on Friday.

When asked by NextMovie [via Badass Digest] about whether or not he would branch out into superhero movies, Cronenberg replied:

I don’t think they are making them an elevated art form. I think it’s still Batman running around in a stupid cape. I just don’t think it’s elevated. Christopher Nolan’s best movie is “Memento,” and that is an interesting movie. I don’t think his Batman movies are half as interesting though they’re 20 million times the expense. What he is doing is some very interesting technical stuff, which, you know, he’s shooting IMAX and in 3-D. That’s really tricky and difficult to do. I read about it in “American Cinematography Magazine,” and technically, that’s all very interesting. The movie, to me, they’re mostly boring.

the-dark-knight-rises-christopher-nolan-imageHe goes on to say that the studio system prohibits full creative expression, which in turn negates the power and vision of the director:

Anybody who works in the studio system has got 20 studio people sitting on his head at every moment, and they have no respect, and there’s no…it doesn’t matter how successful you’ve been. And obviously Nolan has been very successful. He’s got a lot of power, relatively speaking. But he doesn’t really have power.

Finally, in a slam to everyone who likes Nolan’s Batman movies:

I would say that’s a no, you know. And the problem is you gotta… as I say, you can do some interesting, maybe unexpected things. And certainly, I’ve made the horror films and people say, “Can you make a horror film also an art film?” And I would say, “Yeah, I think you can.”

But a superhero movie, by definition, you know, it’s comic book. It’s for kids. It’s adolescent in its core. That has always been its appeal, and I think people who are saying, you know, “Dark Knight Rises” is, you know, supreme cinema art,” I don’t think they know what the f**k they’re talking about.

I deeply respect David Cronenberg, but I would disagree with a few of his points.  First off, comic books aren’t just for kids, but I’ll give Cronenberg the benefit of the doubt and assume he was talking about mainstream superhero comics and not stuff like Maus.

I would also disagree with his argument that a superhero movie can never be elevated, and I’m not entirely sure what he means by “elevated”.  I’m also not sure how he defines what would be “interesting”.  I agree that The Dark Knight Trilogy isn’t the cinematic revolution that some take it to be.  However, directors shouldn’t stop trying to couch complex ideas in mainstream movies.  Once we start cutting off the possibilities of cinema, we deny its power as an art form.  Yes, the studio system can strangle the life out of a tentpole feature until its absolutely brain dead, but the best directors in history found out ways to take what’s ostensibly a genre picture and make it something deeper.  And that’s not to say that superhero movies need to be deeper.  It’s just unfair to argue that they can never have that dimension simply because they feature men in capes.




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  • Matty

    Thank you, Mr. Cronenberg.

    • Steve Bush

      Thank you Mr. Cronenberg? I dig most of his movies but he sounds quite bitter. Cinematic art, this motherfucker was in JasonX. That’s right people the one where Jason goes to space and I believe he has done studio films The Fly and such. BTW most superhero movies are geared towards adults anyway. Nolan’s Batman movies are a prime example. Dark, gritty and take the adult source material serious. I highly doubt Cronenberg has even watched the Dark Knight Trilogy much less any of Marvel’s films. Just calm down and make some shit people wanna see art Jason spear victim.

  • Geno

    Mr. Cronenberg, Nolan does not shoot in 3D.

  • loldudesa

    well this guy dos not know any thing about art

    • Marty

      If Cronenberg said something bad about Nolan’s Batman that doesn’t make him a guy don’t understand the art of cinema. You just blindly angry on him. He’s a man like you, like me and he has own opinion too.

      • stove

        he does have the right to his own opinions, but as pointed out above, Nolan does not shoot in 3d. The Dark Knight Trilogy isn’t a cinematic revolution in the most strictest sense of the phrase, but rather it’s the first time the world got a solid Batman story that was better thought out than previous installments. For better or worse, these Nolan Batman films give the public the closest things that comic books have grown to offer such as a continual canon which draws upon itself in a cohesive manor, one that is self reverential as well. I LOVE Cronenberg, he is amazing, but to not even know the background of the basic principals of a person in the same profession you critique is just kinda sloppy, which is unusual for a man who makes such tightly well constructed movies. A man has a right to his opinion, but it disappoints when he chooses to be so closed minded especially when the opinion comes from a man who made a movie about people who get off with crashing cars. If any one would understand different shapes movies can take, one would think it would be him.

  • Mars

    I kind of agree with a lot of what he says about Nolan. Great director, I guess since he doesn’t really have any bad or even not-good films, but elevating cinema? Not really. I used to love Nolan, but I think he’s quickly become one of the most overrated directors and focuses too much on trying to hit you with the unpredictable ending that he leaves a lot of his films emotionally empty.

  • Nomis1700

    F_ck you Cronenberg. Nolan doesn’t shoot in 3D. FUCK YOU!!!!

  • mr.perfect

    haters gona hate

    • Nate

      Ha

  • Ashbuckler

    Given that Cronenberg must know most ‘critics’ look down upon horror movies and it must have pissed him off for years that they’re not taken seriously, its a bit dismissive of him to just do the same thing with comic book movies.

  • Peter

    A history of violence was a graphic novel… A thick comic book.. Was that adolescent at it core? Just make Eastern Promises 2 and forget the cosmopolis wank

  • Evan

    While I disagree with Cronenberg on super hero films (how one can say that horror is a more elevated art form than comic book films is a mystery to me, and I LOVE horror) and with his overall premise that certain genres are worthier than others as an art form – he is 100% correct in saying Memento is Nolan’s greatest film. Of course, if I had interviewed him, I would have asked his thoughts on Inception – a big-budget master work that was not quashed by the studios.

    • Chester Whelks

      I agree Memento is Nolan’s best film, but when you look at everything that followed, it is evident he’s not so much into interesting ideas as complex ones. Inception I thought was hamstrung by the complete lack of a message. The studios don’t mind bevause it has a clever idea, dazzling special effects and Nolan’s name attached, but it’s no more bizarre a release for a big studio than Edward Scissorhands which Burton followed his Batman with.

      In Inception, it is completely incidental that the plot is about energy companies trying do underhandedly outdo each other. IRL Eco Warrior Leo DiCaprio had no problem with his character just selling himself out to get back to his family – the issue is not addressed at all, and is merely a plot device to insinuate these men have the money and motives to do go to such lengths.

      I disliked the first two Batman movies, and enjoyed Rises most. But it only paid lipservice to some interesteing contemporary issues such as the divide between richest and poorest, before throwing it all away for typical trilogy fare. Similarly in Rises, there is a self sustaining renewable energy source which turns out to be apocalyptic, and is a plot device to generate jeopardy. Nolan’s film’s are style over substance. They son’t seem to be about anything.

  • Bryce Forestieri

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/shia-labeouf-abandoning-big-budget-movies-361943

    report that then, just cuz he mentioned your demigod and his “revolutionary” trilogy

  • Kevin

    His argument is automatically invalid. Nolan does not shoot in 3-D. If he actually read about it, he’d know that. He’s just whining becomes his movies aren’t as widely received.

  • Bryce Forestieri

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/shia-labeouf-abandoning-big-budget-movies-361943

    report that then, just cuz he mentioned your demigod and his “revolutionary” trilogy. panderers

  • Jugger

    Cronenberg just announced that Eastern Promise 2 is dead. It does seem ironic that a director who was ignored for years because he worked in the horror genre would be dismissive of the superhero genre. And wasn’t A History of Violence based on a comic book? Subject matter doesn’t determine art, the skill of the filmmaker does. Who knew a movie about a man turning into a giant fly could be considered art. I get the feeling Cronenberg doesn’t know much about Nolan’s work because Nolan is famous for hating 3D.

  • Nate H

    Wow, Cronerberg is a pretentious prick. Now I know not to waste my time on any of his films – not because I’m an obsessive comic movie fanboy, but because his comments are completely without merit and show a man that is either jealous, bitter, or both.

    Any genre of film can be “elevated” (whatever the hell that really means); to say that Horror can be but super hero films can’t is ridiculous – especially since the ratio of good films-to-crappy ones is WAY better in the super hero genre than in the horror genre. Also, the largest subset of comic book buyers is adult men anyway, so he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. I agree with Matt, though – why does it even need to be elevated? Why is Cronerberg trying to limit the art of film?

    Oh, btw, which of Cronerberg’s films qualify as elevated? Rabid? The Fly??? Even recent (and good) films of his such as Eastern Promises and A History of Violence present nothing new or revolutionary for the art of film. So does that mean Cronerberg also doesn’t know what the f**k he’s talking about???

    • Jeff Noble

      I think you can disagree with Cronenberg, but it would be a shame if you choose to not waste your time with his films (especially his past works) from this point on. I don’t agree with him but I’m not going to dismiss his work.

    • MadMatt

      Both of the Cronenberg films you mention are excellent.

  • TANK

    Tank is not happy with Mr. Cronenberg. Tank does not like Christopher Nolan because Christopher Nolan is better than he (Tank).

    • Weeks

      TANK SMASH!!!!!

      • TANK

        Don’t make fun of Tank name. Tank sad now. You are happy now?

  • James

    “Finally, in a slam to everyone who likes Nolan’s Batman movies…”

    He doesn’t seem to have a problem with people simply “liking” TDKR. He specifically said, people who think TDKR is “supreme cinema art.” Nolan isn’t digging deep into his heart to express himself in TDKR. He made a tough, gritty popcorn action movie.

    • Mr.Rich316

      I hate tough,gritty popcorn.

  • James

    \"Finally, in a slam to everyone who likes Nolan’s Batman movies…\"

    He doesn\’t seem to have a problem with people simply \"liking\" TDKR. He specifically said, people who think TDKR is \"supreme cinema art.\" Nolan isn\’t digging deep into his heart to express himself in TDKR. He made a tough, gritty popcorn action movie.

  • Matty

    “And that’s not to say that superhero movies need to be deeper. It’s just unfair to argue that they can never have that dimension simply because they feature men in capes.”

    To have a deep superhero movie, the first thing you need is someone like Cronenberg to write and direct it.

    • Nate H

      I totally disagree with that. That’s like saying you have to have a director like Cronerberg to have a deep movie in any genre, which is not true. The movie Gattaca has some nice social commentary, for example, and the writer/director isn’t nearly as recognized or famous as Cronerberg. If you mean that you have to have an insightful director in order to have a deep/dimensional movie, then sure that’s true. But that’s not unique to Cronerberg at all.

      FYI – A History of Violence was originally a comic, and I’d say it’s easily one of Cronerberg’s best works. So he clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he says the genre is basically worthless.

      • Matty

        When I said you need someone like Cronenberg to write and direct it, what I meant was you need someone who places an emphasis on the writing. TDKR looked great, but the writing was crap – just like in the previous two Batman films. Cronenberg is a guy who bases his films on works by guys like William Burroughs, Marshall McLuhan and Don DeLillo, you know?

        And seriously, about AHoV, and Goldberg’s comments – Nate and Matt Goldberg, do you really think you need to give Cronenberg the benefit of the doubt and assume he wasn’t talking about Maus, Blankets, or the like? Do you really think there is *any* possibility he was talking about Ghost World or American Splendor? He wasn’t talking about independent comics, he was clearly talking about capes, DC/Marvel productions, and he was right.

        Matt, you say “directors shouldn’t stop trying to couch complex ideas in mainstream movies.” The problem with Nolan is he didn’t really try. With Cronenberg that’s all he does.

      • Anonymous

        A History of Violence comic book does NOT have a superhero in a cape…that’s the type of movies he is talking about…Superheroes.

      • Alan

        Matty, aren’t you the guy that was whining about TDKR … before it came out.

      • Matty

        Alan, I have no idea, but if you’re following Collider threads that closely…goddamn, man, my apologies.

      • Alan

        “Alan, I have no idea, but if you’re following Collider threads that closely…goddamn, man, my apologies.”

        Nah, but you tend to notice whenever someone keeps posting the same nonsense, looking for attention. Congrats, you got it.

  • Ash Talon

    And then the fanboys lash out at him for speaking his mind. I’d agree with him that Nolan’s Batman films aren’t nearly as deep as people make them out to be. I also don’t find them to be very enjoyable. There can be deeper meanings to the material, though. Cronenberg’s films all almost all about passion and the extremes that people will go to in pursuit of that passion. That theme can be applied to superhero (most likely what he’s referring to as comic book movies) films as the desire to be more powerful than you really are can easily fit in with Cronenberg’s own films. I don’t think any superhero movies have really explored the psychological ramifications of pursuing that role, and I don’t think people like Zach Snyder can do it properly. Superhero films are always going to try to reach the widest possible audience, and therefore they won’t be very edgy or provocative except for in a titillating way.

  • SP1234

    I don’t know if this should be related, but Gary Oldman said in another interview that Cronenberg is a director that won’t work with him. A little strange.

    • Nate H

      Every actor and director who I’ve ever seen talk about Gary Oldman has the utmost respect for him. Doesn’t look good for Cronerberg.

    • TANK

      This make Tank sad. Tank love Gary Oldman. Tank love Cronenberg. Tank love everybody.

    • JackofSpades

      True, but everyone’s opinion of art and thus, acting is subjective. Different directors could see different things in actors. Maybe Oldman’s style does not fit with Cronenberg’s, and maybe an actor like Viggo Mortensen wouldn’t fit with Nolan’s.

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  • Andrew

    I always believed that films and filmmakers work for the people who watch the flicks. It should always be the opinion of the viewer to decide what’s classified as “elevated.” The films belong to us and it’s never any director’s(or studio exec, writer, etc.) right to tell us what is and isn’t great? When that happens you just get George Lucas telling the fans what they like all over again.

    In terms of the genre, it’s amazingly stupid to generalize every single superhero movie as being only for kids. Some of the greatest movies ever made are films that transcended their genre. Take for example the newly crowned “greatest” movie of all time, Vertigo.

  • Samavarti

    Aside from the comic books are for kids, which guess he means specifically superhero ones, but it’s still not, truei pretty much agree with David Cronenberg, batman is a pretty mediocre movie.
    Also for all the nolan fanboys he is actually criticizing the studio system not nolan.

  • Nomos

    Aside from the comic books are for kids, which guess he means specifically superhero ones, but it\’s still not, truei pretty much agree with Cronenberg, batman is a pretty mediocre movie.
    Also for all the nolan fanboys he is actually criticizing the studios not nolan.

  • pj bastura

    I love Cronenberg but this coming from a guy who loves to flaunt his own cinematic superiority and make “art,” that is lets be honest….boring half the time..

  • Hugo

    The problem here is that , is true, Nolan’s Batman movies are bullshit. The thing is that what Cronenberg says is as bullshit as those movies.

    Nolan is embarrassed to make a Batman movie , and then it calls them the Dark Knight something. He presents Robin as a cop, that is nothing Robin except for a final joke that that cop had Robin as a second name. He doesn’t out Catwoman in his movie, he puts a female thief with goggles that used a certain way kin dof look like cat ears, doesn’t ever call her Catwoman, for the same reason he calls the main character batman like 3 or 4 times in his movie, the same reason he doesn’t put Robin in the movie, or the same reason he gives batman 30 minutes (if that) of screen time in a 2 hour and a half movie.
    Embarrassment.

    Let’s try to make this the least Batman as possible, because we have to “Elevate” a childish product.

    Sooner or later the kids now loving these movies are gonna realize how empty they are, others are gonna realize how “non batman” they are, others are gonna be stuck with a taste for shitty movies for the rest of their lives, and yet others are gonna grasp the concept that there is no need to “elevate” nothing , to make no comic book look more realistic or adult or whatever bullshit you chose to force feed yourself with, and maybe you/they are gonna realize what something like Batman is all about and then we are finally gonna have ourself a great Batman movie.

    Mean while go back to read the comic books to see if you can vanish the thick cloud of bullshit the Nolan movies left, and get what the adventures of Batman really are about.

    • mattinacan

      double comment fail, post fail, you are a total failure

    • Alan

      “He doesn’t out Catwoman in his movie, he puts a female thief with goggles that used a certain way kin dof look like cat ears, doesn’t ever call her Catwoman”

      The character is referred to as Catwoman in the script. It didn’t matter, though, in the film because Selina was more important and bruce calling her Catwoman instead of Selina would have been stupid.

    • Anonymous

      I love Cronenberg’s movies as well as Nolan’s but this seems like a personal attack. This may seem a little biased but you want to talk about empty films sir, take a look at most of the filmography of James Cameron

  • Hugo

    The problem here is that , is true, Nolan\’s Batman movies are bullshit. The thing is that what Cronenberg says is as bullshit as those movies.

    Nolan is embarrassed to make a Batman movie , and then it calls them the Dark Knight something. He presents Robin as a cop, that is nothing Robin except for a final joke that that cop had Robin as a second name. He doesn\’t out Catwoman in his movie, he puts a female thief with goggles that used a certain way kin dof look like cat ears, doesn\’t ever call her Catwoman, for the same reason he calls the main character batman like 3 or 4 times in his movie, the same reason he doesn\’t put Robin in the movie, or the same reason he gives batman 30 minutes (if that) of screen time in a 2 hour and a half movie.
    Embarrassment.

    Let\’s try to make this the least Batman as possible, because we have to \"Elevate\" a childish product.

    Sooner or later the kids now loving these movies are gonna realize how empty they are, others are gonna realize how \"non batman\" they are, others are gonna be stuck with a taste for shitty movies for the rest of their lives, and yet others are gonna grasp the concept that there is no need to \"elevate\" nothing , to make no comic book look more realistic or adult or whatever bullshit you chose to force feed yourself with, and maybe you/they are gonna realize what something like Batman is all about and then we are finally gonna have ourself a great Batman movie.

    Mean while go back to read the comic books to see if you can vanish the thick cloud of bullshit the Nolan movies left, and get what the adventures of Batman really are about.

    • ScaredForMovies

      Wow a butthurt comic book fan. Your jaded take on Nolan’s Batman is hilarious. With all the shit out there your attack of the emptiness of Nolan’s trilogy is baseless. I’m not going to say it was perfect and I thought it was the weakest of the three. And sure some would like to see a Batman movie more in the realm of Arkham Asylum/City. But tone down the emo negativity would you. I was pretty disappointed with the Amazing Spiderman but I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Of course Cronenberg hates big budget blockbusters he’s basically been making independent films his whole life.

    • sccitylhh

      You couldn’t be more off. Nolan has presented a different interpretation of Batman. You don’t like it? Fine, don’t watch it. You want campy Batman? Watch the Adam West show or Schumacher’s films. Want Gothic? Watch Burton’s films or the 90s animated series. Want something a bit more realistic and grounded? Watch Nolan’s films.

      Nolan never said his version is definitive. It’s how he wanted to present the character. This approach had never been attempted with Batman on screen, nor with any other comic book hero. The man deserves credit for going somewhere new. These films have been astonishing successes, so you might at least concede that you are in the minority in hating the approach.

    • hunjeehi

      die of cancer. thank you

      • brandon

        Geez. Everyone has Nolan’s c@&k in their mouths these days. How come your aloud to bash this guys opinion about the series but it’s not okay for him to have an opinion. TDKR was a load of bullshit.
        And to all of the Cronenberg haters. It’s not like Cronenberg called somebody over to his house to give an opinion on Nolan’s work. Somebody asked him, and he gave an answer that didn’t involve sucking Chris Nolan’s c@&k.
        And on a third note. There is a big difference between comics (in the classic sense of the word) and graphic novels (such as “A History of Violence). He was referring to super hero based comics like Batman, Superman, and so on. Which should be more fantastical and not pushed to be so realistic. That’s what makes them fun and enjoyable. Not some whiny rich guy who made a costume that’s a symbol for “anyone can be a hero by giving a boy a coat, but no one else is allowed to wear a cool costume that I keep in a box for 90% of the film.”

      • ScaredForMovies

        Brandon here seems to be infatuated by cock. I have no problem with Cronenberg but when one director calls another out it’s about ego. Hey look at me I’m still relevant. He comes across like a jaded loser. The list of shitty directors in Hollywood is massive and of all people he chooses Nolan. He’s just trying to stir up controversy because Cosmopolis is going to tank.

    • ScaredForMovies

      Brandon you seem to be the one infatuated by C@&k. Of all the crappy directors out there Cronenberg chooses to attack Nolan? His statements are ego driven and reek of petty jealousy. It seems to me he just wants to stir up some press because Cosmopolis is going to tank.

      • brandon

        Like I said before. Cronenberg didn’t go out to a random street and get up onto a soap box, he answered a question in an interview. And David Cronenberg has not really stopped being relevant. Batman is the only thing that has made Nolan relevant on a mainstream level.

  • junierizzle

    We get it, Matt Golberg, you didn’t like TDKR. Was this article really necessary? Where is the article about what Kevin Smith thought of TDKR. He loved it and goes out of his way to praise Nolan on making a serious movie out of a comic book. Where is that article??????????????????????

    • Daniel

      Goldberg doesn’t actually like anything.

      • Alan

        Except Martha Marcy May Marlene.

  • sccitylhh

    You couldn\’t be more off. Nolan has presented a different interpretation of Batman. You don\’t like it? Fine, don\’t watch it. You want campy Batman? Watch the Adam West show or Schumacher\’s films. Want Gothic? Watch Burton\’s films or the 90s animated series. Want something a bit more realistic and grounded? Watch Nolan\’s films.

    Nolan never said his version is definitive. It\’s how he wanted to present the character. This approach had never been attempted with Batman on screen, nor with any other comic book hero. The man deserves credit for going somewhere new. These films have been astonishing successes, so you might at least concede that you are in the minority in hating the approach.

  • Strong Enough

    what a prick. Nolan is going to assassinate you :)

  • j

    Cronenberg’s a douche… nolan is 1000000x the filmmaker he is, and if he doesn’t like the dark knight trilogy, Nolan still has some other great films like inception and the prestige

  • JPA

    I would respect his statements if he made more convincing points than “it’s based on a comic book that has a superhero,therefore it’s stupid” .

  • Charly

    His punishment must be more severe…

  • requiem-me@hotmail.com

    I agree with crononberg. Nolan is not a very good filmaker he relays a lot in dialog -exposition- and an unnecesary complex script. TDKR isnt a masterpiece or a example of good art but i think that TDK ( the joker one) was a great movie and i believe that it elevates what a comic book movie can do ( I give a lot of credit to the joker character). But yeah studios will always try to make batman for everyone, to sell toys and all that crap

  • Tim

    I agree with him. I mean a dude running around with a black cape and a bat mask looks hillarious. If I saw that in real life I would crack up.

    • dave

      would you crack up as he was pummeling your face in? If I saw a real person in a cape and cowl, I would run as fast as I could away from the crazy man….I wouldn’t antagonize him by laughing

  • Max

    This makes me sad because Cronenberg is one of my all time favorite filmmakers and one of my ideals and comic books and comic book movies are some of my favorites things :(

  • BB

    Looking at ‘the superhero movie’ in a RELATIVE light, Nolan has achieved something outstanding with the trilogy. I think that if anything, we can all agree that he’s provided at least a stepping stone to an “elevated” interpretation of the genre. I can’t take this article seriously because of how brutally Cronenberg beats down the films without taking the time to justify his thoughts, and without providing the credit that Nolan certainly deserves for this branch of the genre that so far, almost exclusively belongs to him.

    If this is typical of ‘Cronenberg-logic’, I don’t think his films are for me.

    • 13steve13

      If you are going to start dismissing the works of artists due to what you consider character flaws or abhorrent views on other people’s work… You better just with comic books.

      • BB

        What I meant to criticize was his logic… If this is the kind of evidence he uses to support this type of claim, I think I would literally not be able to follow his movies…. obviously I’m exaggerating, but I think my point is clear.

    • 13steve13

      I’d personally like to read his comments in their entirety rather than a few quotes but I still disagree with disavowing his body of work due to his views on a genre of film. Some of the most brilliant bodies of work came from people with some pretty reprehensible views; Walt Disney and H.P. Lovecraft were anti-semites, Burroughs a drug addict and confessed murderer, Bukowski was a drunk and woman beater, and Dickens abandoned his family.

  • Jahanzeb

    Mr. Cronenberg this does not only prove that you are arrogant but also that you don’t know shit about Nolan and his films, especially Dark Knight trilogy.

  • Drake

    I would just like to point out to Collider.com that whoring yourself out to facebook got you 11 comments and your OWN! comment system got 56 comments. Plus the comments on your own system are far more interesting and also funny at times.

  • Beebeedeedop

    THANK YOU MR. Cronenberg.

  • David

    Mr.Nolan has the ability to create worlds and interesting characters.He is my favorite.

  • Joseph

    To a certain extent I agree with Cronenberg, Nolan’s Batman Trilogy isn’t groundbreaking, cinematic art; it’s simply a very exellent and unique take on the story. Nolan’s Batman is more realistic and interesting than other comic book movies, but when compared to truly rich and artistic films it doesn’t hold up; but then again, Nolan wasn’t making an artistic Batman, he was telling the Batman story the way he wanted to. What I see here is Cronenberg not agreeing with the critics/fanboys that put Nolan’s Batman on a pedestal of cinematic genius; and again, I agree with his stance on that. That said, Nolan’s Batman is easily my favorite superhero on film to date.

  • FAN-tastic

    What’s this realism b.s.? Bane is on painkillers and can punch through solid walls? Batman escapes a nuclear blast with a six mile radius in six seconds? Batman has a vertebrae sticking out of his back punched into place and is fine? Dipshits.

    • Joseph

      Meh, I use that term loosely and in relation to other comic book films. Again, these movies are not a crushing analysis of deep social issues; you apply the same willing suspension of disbelief that you would apply to Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, or What To Expect When You’re Expecting.

  • The Smirking Revenge

    I’m sorry, but who really gives a flying fuck?

    I mean seriously, people, we’re talking about a fucking movie here…. Get over it. YOu either like it or you don’t. This whole “let’s argue til we’re blue in the face” bullshit is just adolescent. Move on. And from Mr. Cronenberg’s out-of-context comments, he clearly doesn’t know much about Nolan’s body of work or the impact his Batman films have had on modern cinema.

    The Dark Knight broke ground and brought the superhero/comic book movie to a whole new level. And for a filmmaker to talk about how someone else’s films are not art is just fucking ignorant. I fucking hate Twilight (both Book and film versions), but you know what, technically, it’s art. Just not my cup of tea…and God, how I wish it would just piss off already, but that’s how it goes. So, in case you missed it, Film is art. Some more so than others, but it is technically an artform by definition.

    • thedroop

      actually, technically, twilight is a product, like the batman trilogy, meant to sell tickets.

  • Bo

    The difference seen here is between adults and children. Come on, you’re talking about a character who dresses up like a god damn bat! Get serious. Of course, children aren’t going to like what grown ups say about their precious comic book heroes. It’s pretty silly. You have an intelligent filmmaker of difficult movies talking about huge, massive pop culture films that are of little value. Live with it! To compare a film of such merit as The History of Violence with a stupid, crass, loud, dumb movie that uses violence to entertain the sleeping masses is idiocy!

  • dean

    I really enjoy Mr. Cronenbergs films, and even more so, Mr. Nolans films. I think they both make great movies, although very different in their style. While i didn’t agree with all Mr. Cronenbergs opinions, i do agree that Memento, is Christopher Nolans best film to date. (Guy Pearce fan also) :)

  • Alan

    I know this might sound a little reductionist, but I think that there are two kinds of contemporary auteurs: those who work within the studio system (Nolan, Fincher, de Toro) and those who prefer to go independently (Cronenberg, Gilliam, Cox). The former get bigger budgets and are offered material first, whilst the later enjoy greater creative freedom: there are benefits and disadvantages to both choices. Both approaches are valid.

    However, I am increasingly instances in which the more independent filmmakers are whining about the studio filmmakers, attacking their more financially successful peers. Gilliam can’t open his mouth without whining about another director, and Cronenberg increasingly hates on other directors. Earlier, Cronenberg complained about ‘The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo’ and now he is complaining about ‘The Dark Knight Rises’. He has the right to complain, but his complaints are bizarre and often misinformed about the subject matter. Take his TGWTDT criticisms: “it had a really weird tone to it, that every man in the movie was a misogynist or a rapist, literally.” Huh? There are lots of problems with the source material, but this is not one of them. The two biggest male roles in the first film are Craig and Plummer: both play kindly men who want to PROTECT women, not hurt them. Yes, there are misogynists in the story, but there are plenty that aren’t (hell, even typecast baddies Steven Berkoff, Goran Visnjic and Alan Dale play nice guys).

    His complaints about TDKR are similarly strange, and involve a poor or misinformed understanding of the material. Nolan has never used 3D, and his assertions that superhero films can’t be elevated smacks of intellectual snobbery. The fact that he can be so misinformed about the visual element of the productions but assert that others are wrong (“I don’t think they know what the fuck they’re talking about”) is an act of ridiculous, misguided arrogance.

  • Chris

    I love how some people on here are being really stupid and attacking Cronenberg for his opinions because he dares to not like Nolan’s Batman, oh he must be burned he is sacreligious. Get over yourselves really.

  • thedroop

    oh man i love what cronenberg’s doing to the cinesphere with these comments. nolan fanboys get so defensive. too awesome.

    ahhemminceptionwasshitahhemm oh pardon me

  • thedroop

    oh man i love what cronenberg\’s doing to the cinesphere with these comments. nolan fanboys get so defensive. too awesome.

    ahhemminceptionwasshitahhemm oh pardon me

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