“I’m Just the Fool Who Got Played”: Matt Revisits X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE

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[With X-Men: Days of Future Past opening on Friday, I'm taking a look back at the X-Men movie franchise.  These reviews contain spoilers.]

Since X-Men: The Last Stand killed Cyclops and Jean, half-killed Professor X, and weakened Magneto, the trilogy had concluded not because it was narratively fulfilled, but because it was exhausted.  There was no place left for the X-Men to go, but fans knew that Wolverine’s story had plenty of places to visit, most notably, his origin.  X2 gave causal viewers enough information to figure out what happened to Logan, but fans knew there was far more to his story.  The movie lined up not only the Weapon X narrative, but also provided fan-favorite characters such Deadpool and Gambit.

But behind-the-scenes disasters and an abominable script weakened Wolverine and the franchise more than a revolver full of adamantium bullets.

Confined to the weak origin story from the comics (Wolverine was originally a sick kid! Twist!), the movie begins with promising opening credits as Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) and Victor Creed (Liev Schreiber) fight side-by-side through the major wars in American history.  In a better movie, far more time would be spent making their relationship the focal point of the picture rather than transforming Creed into a one-dimensional villain or a poorly-designed mirror for Logan’s primal nature.

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Instead, we’re rushed off to spend time with more mutants as William Stryker (Danny Huston) puts together a team that includes Wolverine, Creed, Wraith (Will.i.am), Fred Dukes (Kevin Durand), Chris Bradley (Dominic Monaghan), Agent Zero (Daniel Henney) and Wade Wilson (Ryan Reynolds). After Wolverine rejects killing villagers and leaves the team, he finds a peaceful life with Kayla (Lynn Collins), who tells him an awful parable that explains why he’s called Wolverine.  Then the plot gets outright convoluted as it turns out that Kayla staged her own death so that Wolverine would pursue Creed, and they would fight to a stalemate, so that Wolverine, in order to get revenge, would have no choice but to take Stryker up on his offer to join the Weapon X program.  It’s an elaborate and entirely unnecessary ruse since, in a lame twist, Kayla’s mutant ability is “tactohypnosis”, so she can make people believe anything just by touching them.  If they had just thrown in a line like, “It wouldn’t have worked on Logan,” that would be enough.  But it’s just another oversight in a movie that’s never really focused in the first place.

Re-reading my review of the film from 2009, I’m slightly stunned by my level of vitriol, especially when I bookend it by saying how I didn’t go in with a grudge.  That’s still true, but looking back, I’m surprised I was so angry.  I think most of my points still stand, although there are a few that could be explained away such as Alkalai Lake not being a frozen tundra.  I now understand that Origins still takes place in the same location, but the season is different, and one that’s more camera-friendly (director Gavin Hood really loved his peaceful landscape shots in this movie even though they’re completely incongruous with his protagonist’s rage).

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On my second viewing, I realized I don’t hate this movie, and part of that is because it’s no longer “shockingly” bad.  I was prepared for its awfulness, and so I didn’t feel much in the way of anger.  I know exactly how it’s a bad movie, and with my temper cooled, I wanted to distill the film’s failure down to its essence.  Watching X-Men Origins: Wolverine again, I can see it has two major failings.  The movie is death by a thousand cuts, and the big moments range from painfully cheesy to outright insulting.

Carelessness permeates the entire film, and if it were just one or two things in a better movie, then they could be forgiven (I certainly forgave major plot holes in X2).  I don’t really care anymore that Huston didn’t adopt the southern accent Brian Cox gave Stryker since it doesn’t bother me that James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender aren’t trying to do Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen impressions, respectively, in X-Men: First Class.  But why is Wolverine’s jacket indestructible?  Why is his bike bulletproof?  If this movie takes place 15-20 years before X-Men, why does everyone dress in modern clothes?  Why is all of the technology current?  Why does the general tell Stryker that he knows about his son when the kid is in cryostasis five feet away?  Why is the resolution of Stryker murdering the general brought up in the closing credits as if solving that little conundrum was the extent of the movie’s problems?  The list goes on.

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These minor issues are compounded by the awfulness of the movie’s major transgressions.  When Stryker reveals the adamantium bullets after the death of Agent Zero—the mutant whose ability is his proficiency with guns—and says the bullets are the only way to stop Wolverine, it’s jaw-dropping.  How does any viewer accept that reveal?  How did anyone making this movie wrap their head around these irreconcilable scenes?

I won’t repeat my original review, especially because the movie is already notorious.  There’s no point in going into detail regarding the useless boxing match with Duke; Gambit (Taylor Kitsch) being over-powered; the god-awful visual effects (I still can’t get over the scene where Wolverine looks at his claws in the bathroom mirror); the tin-eared dialogue (“You look like a man fixin’ to do a bad thing”); the half-assed post-9/11 commentary with Stryker needing a “pre-emptive strike” against mutants; a creepy, digi-faced Professor X (Patrick Stewart) showing up at the end; and so on.

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In the larger context of the series, this movie was meant to be a launching pad not for X-Men movies—movies about teams overcoming adversity and fighting persecution—but for solo films, which isn’t necessarily bad.  Wolverine can carry his own movie, and I’m sure with strong writing and performances, you could make good spinoffs for Deadpool, Gambit, and even though he’s not in this movie, Magneto (the script for his spinoff movie was eventually folded into First Class).

But Origins shows all the pitfalls of taking this approach, and those pitfalls extend past shoddy storytelling, crummy visual effects, bad dialogue, etc.  The movie illustrates the problem of throwing in too many mutants when those mutants are signposts for the hero rather than turning them into a team or even having them fit comfortably into the story.  I know next-to-nothing about all of the mutants in this movie except for Wolverine and Creed, and even their relationship is thin.  Weapon XI is a fitting symbol for the film because it’s a bunch of mutant powers dumped into a dummy.

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In an interview with UGO, Hood talked about the story in grandiose terms, comparing to opera and saying “the truth is that what’s great about the Wolverine character, he’s really a character who suffers from a great deal of existential angst.”  In an interview with Rotten Tomatoes in October 2009, Hood said that when it came to the Logan/Creed relationship, “Just having one good guy versus bad guy, with no emotional connection just felt like ‘Whoa — you’ll have nothing but punching and kicking’.  In the finished film, you can see brief glimpses of what Hood wanted, but they’ve been thoroughly smothered by empty spectacle and horrid storytelling.

X-Men Origins was supposed to be the start of a new direction (hence attaching the character name to “X-Men Origins”) where they could even start making spin-offs of spin-offs.  Instead, the film was rejected by fans who had nothing but good will for the character, and were given a shoddy, sloppy, soulless blockbuster in return.  The regular X-Men movies had hit a wall, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine had driven the franchise to its nadir.  The only way to move forward was to look to the past.

Rating: D-

[Tomorrow: X-Men: First Class]

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  • Em

    This movie was awful

    • Lovecraftlives

      It was fun and I enjoyed it. I liked it a lot better than Amazing Spider Man 2 and any of the Transformers movies.

  • Agent777

    I think everybody was hoping for a film based on that “weak” origin story. It is where the movie takes it’s name.

  • Emy

    The VFX in this movie were awful especially when wolverine is shredding that ladder

    • World’s Finest Comments

      His claws in general just looked terrible. The first movie is 9 years older and has more impressive visuals.

    • World’s Finest Comments

      His claws in general just looked terrible. The first movie is 9 years older and has more impressive visuals.

    • Werefon

      Aghhh man. That was stupid and it looked so cheap it feels like that they didn’t have time and just put a scene from a stolen unfinished copy.

    • Werefon

      Aghhh man. That was stupid and it looked so cheap it feels like that they didn’t have time and just put a scene from a stolen unfinished copy.

    • Pk

      What about that scene where he cuts off dead pools head and severed head spins around shooting lasers out of its eyes?

  • Ryan

    Thank you for mentioning that scene in the bathroom with Wolverine. Worst visual effects I’ve ever seen. His claws looked better in the original which came out ten years before ‘Origins.’ How anyone associated with the movie looked at that scene and thought that was acceptable should have realized the dumpster-fire of a movie they were about to release.

    • Frank

      Seriously, where the hell did that come from? The special effects during the rest of the movie, while not necessarily mind-blowing, were nowhere near as awful as that bathroom scene. I would love to know the story behind that… did they suddenly realize that they forgot to add the claws a few hours before they had to start printing the reels?

  • yrulaughing418

    One of the biggest plotholes or continuity errors in this movie is that the young Scott Summers/Cyclops is captured by Stryker, yet James Marsden’s Cyclops seems to have no memory of those events in the original trilogy

    • Person

      The argument would be that he repressed them, or that he had no reason to bring them up, but we all know you’re right; it was just sloppy.

    • Werefon

      And no one told him about hairy dude saving him.

  • yrulaughing418

    One of the biggest plotholes or continuity errors in this movie is that the young Scott Summers/Cyclops is captured by Stryker, yet James Marsden’s Cyclops seems to have no memory of those events in the original trilogy

  • Bloost

    That bathroom scene had visual effects that came out of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

    Though to be honest, I don’t hate the film as much as everyone else does. It’s so stupid that it’s entertaining, to laugh at the cheesy dialogue and the story problems. At least I had fun with that.

    • Jason Wright

      I always think of Roger Rabbit when I see that scene too! I thought I was the only one. lol.

  • Bloost

    That bathroom scene had visual effects that came out of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

    Though to be honest, I don’t hate the film as much as everyone else does. It’s so stupid that it’s entertaining, to laugh at the cheesy dialogue and the story problems. At least I had fun with that.

  • Doug_101

    The biggest crime of this film was to waste Schreiber’s great performance as Sabretooth. Sadly, because this one was such a stinker, we’ll probably never see him again. Jackman did his best, but the script was just awful. Too many mutants that had nothing to do with Wolverine stuffed in just so Fox could say they did.

    • Person

      That’s another thing I always wondered about – it’s been at least 6-7 years since I’ve seen the first X-Men, but from what I remember, Sabertooth was an illiterate animal and Wolverine and he had no prior history (or at least didn’t acknowledge it). Was it ever explained why they never addressed their prior relationship in X-Men, and why Sabertooth’s mental state devolved into that of a rabid hyena…?

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        I was thinking about this when I was watching the movie, and here’s where I have to be fair with the franchise: even though in the comic books Sabretooth IS Victor Creed, Victor Creed is never called Sabretooth in X-MEN ORIGINS. They’re two completely different characters in the film universe.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        I was thinking about this when I was watching the movie, and here’s where I have to be fair with the franchise: even though in the comic books Sabretooth IS Victor Creed, Victor Creed is never called Sabretooth in X-MEN ORIGINS. They’re two completely different characters in the film universe.

      • World’s Finest Comments

        That’s a fair point. Is the Emma Frost-like character in Origins ever referred to as Emma Frost also? Or did they make it so they would have some wiggle room with her too? I don’t recall.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        Nope. Never called Emma Frost. She just happens to have the diamond skin ability.

      • World’s Finest Comments

        (Sigh) There isn’t enough Tylenol in the world to deal with this movie.

      • Werefon

        Matt, lets not forget that Adamantium bullets should not go through the Adamantium after it cools down (unbelievably they repeated the same shit with second Wolve film in cutting the claws scene).
        Not just that, but how Stryker knew it will erase memories?
        Apparently, this bullets can heal the damaged, metal area of the scull, because in X-Ray scene in X1 you can’t see any damage in x-ray scan of his skeleton and his head scan particularly (because you can’t damage adamantium and because some of the writers of X1 actually read comics).

      • Doug_101

        THANK YOU. That was the dumbest ending ever (Origins, I mean – The Wolverine ending was pretty dumb too). I liked the reason for his missing memories in the Origin comic – his power healed his mind after all the trauma he’d been through. Simple answer and it makes sense. Thank god they never brought the Shiva robot into this mess.

      • RiddleThemThis

        When I watched the film, I got the impression that Stryker was trying to kill Wolverine with that bullet. Maybe it didn’t work quite as he planned and instead it left Wolverine with his memories erased.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        Nope. Never called Emma Frost. She just happens to have the diamond skin ability.

      • Doug

        She is called “Emma” in the credits.

      • World’s Finest Comments

        That’s a fair point. Is the Emma Frost-like character in Origins ever referred to as Emma Frost also? Or did they make it so they would have some wiggle room with her too? I don’t recall.

      • Werefon

        They taught that covering Cyclops eyes will be enough to cover a giant plot hole. Yeah, he’s eyes were covered and he didn’t see the guy who saved him…but everyone else did. And all the kids went into Xavier school and no one told Cyclops about Wolverine? In the first X-Men it is obvious that Cyclops sees Wolverine for the first time in Canada. There are too many things that are not connected well.

        I think your theory about Creed and Sabertooth from X1 being different persons is cool but I think it is another inconsistency.
        The same with Emma Frost. I saw number of interviews that this time they needed dramatic actor to play Sabertooth because his role is extended (they were obviously talking about same guy).

        The same with Emma Frost, they admitted themselves that First Class changes canon of previous X-Films in favor of story of this particular movie. And Charles and Magneto not meeting at 17 as it was said in X1 and etc.

        Thank God, they cut the scene where Wolverine meets child Storm in Africa Village Slaughter. It was too much of a mess already. It seems everyone has short memory in this films.

      • Doug_101

        You could argue, I guess, that the Sabretooth in X1 is a further mutation or something to make him more feral. The Emma Frost thing was just a screw up on their part.

      • Werefon

        Yeah, but they both are screw ups. I mean X1 opens with monologue on mutation that it is stage of evolution and etc.

        Sabertooth’s case probably was an exception because he went backwards.)

        But Victor was a good thing in crapy film. But at least it has guilty pleasure quality to it.

      • Doug_101

        I’m not saying that it’s a good idea, I’m just trying to dig those guys out of a hole. :)

      • Werefon

        Getting back to claws. What was the point? Wolverine has them in the future anyway. It supposed to be dramatic so he could scream and regrow his pointless bone claws? Stupid.

        I have read the original draft for the film by Chris McQuarrie that was written for Aranofsky. It was closer to comics story and didn’t have any mutants beside Wolverine, also no giant robots in the third act.

        It was realistic and personal story.

      • Doug_101

        God, that would have been amazing. And if the X-Men were under Marvel’s umbrella instead of Fox, I’m 100% certain we would have gotten that film.

      • Werefon

        They taught that covering Cyclops eyes will be enough to cover a giant plot hole. Yeah, he’s eyes were covered and he didn’t see the guy who saved him…but everyone else did. And all the kids went into Xavier school and no one told Cyclops about Wolverine? In the first X-Men it is obvious that Cyclops sees Wolverine for the first time in Canada. There are too many things that are not connected well.

        I think your theory about Creed and Sabertooth from X1 being different persons is cool but I think it is another inconsistency.
        The same with Emma Frost. I saw number of interviews that this time they needed dramatic actor to play Sabertooth because his role is extended (they were obviously talking about same guy).

        The same with Emma Frost, they admitted themselves that First Class changes canon of previous X-Films in favor of story of this particular movie. And Charles and Magneto not meeting at 17 as it was said in X1 and etc.

        Thank God, they cut the scene where Wolverine meets child Storm in Africa Village Slaughter. It was too much of a mess already. It seems everyone has short memory in this films.

      • Person

        Interesting. Kind of a big leap, but better than nothing I suppose.

        That explanation reminds me of a problem I have with some of the older Bond movies, when they would cast the same actors in different roles from movie to movie. It’s annoying as hell, as if they couldn’t find other actors to play these roles, but as a viewer you just have to accept it and move on (and I still love those).

  • World’s Finest Comments

    The whole film just feels redundant. X2 already covered most of this film’s plot, and it doesn’t bring anything new or interesting enough to add to that. And this the X-Men has the worst continuity problems in my opinion. Sabertooth being much more refined than he was in the first film without explanation. Later films would do better things with Emma Frost, and hopefully will soon do better things with Gambit and Cyclops. I get why there a few box sets that don’t include this film even though they include ones that came afterwards, because it would be such a headache trying to figure out where it lies with the others.

    And oh yeah, Deadpool…

    • DEADP00L

      I WAS NOT IN THIS BULL CRAP!!

      • World’s Finest Comments

        You’re right, DINO was in this. Deadpool in Name Only.

      • DEADP00L

        It’s just so violating the whole thing.

      • Agent Gorman

        Ha ha! You were played by Ryan Reynolds. That means you and Green Lantern are never getting another movie, ever again.

      • DEADP00L

        I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!!! *shoots own brains out*

        Bullets never work and the agony continues!!

      • World’s Finest Comments

        *Correction. Hal Jordan is probably never getting another movie ever again. Jon Stewart still has hope.

      • Agent Gorman

        Ha ha! You were played by Ryan Reynolds. That means you and Green Lantern are never getting another movie, ever again.

      • DEADP00L

        It’s just so violating the whole thing.

      • World’s Finest Comments

        You’re right, DINO was in this. Deadpool in Name Only.

      • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

        You’re still in Denial. Well, it’s only been 5 years, I’m sure you’ll reach Anger any time now.

      • DEADP00L

        Listen buddy Death is my lady and I’m going to be around a loooong time to get angry. But I promise you I’ll get my movie in your lifetime.

      • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

        You need to reach Acceptance. X-Men Origins exists and Deadpool was in it. They sowed his mouth shut. Now, grieve in your own way, but try to get there. I’m here if you want to talk.

  • World’s Finest Comments

    The whole film just feels redundant. X2 already covered most of this film’s plot, and it doesn’t bring anything new or interesting enough to add to that. And this the X-Men has the worst continuity problems in my opinion. Sabertooth being much more refined than he was in the first film without explanation. Later films would do better things with Emma Frost, and hopefully will soon do better things with Gambit and Cyclops. I get why there a few box sets that don’t include this film even though they include ones that came afterwards, because it would be such a headache trying to figure out where it lies with the others.

    And oh yeah, Deadpool…

  • Person

    Easily the worst X-Men-related movie, but I still can’t hate it. It reminds me of Spider-Man 3, in a so-bad-it’s-oddly-enjoyable kind of way. Matt’s right – once you accept that it’s a flat-out terrible movie, things get a little (emphasize little) better.

    • Doug_101

      Everything up until he goes to the Hudsons’ Farm – yes, that’s them sadly – is pretty good. After that, it all goes to shit.

    • Lovecraftlives

      I liked Spiderman 3 too!

  • NICK НΛRT

    the claws were horrible. even the claws on that poster are horribly done.

  • eddie

    so is gavin hood to blame or just fox? ive always wondered.

    • Person

      Bit of both. Hood admitted last year that the writer’s strike was partly to blame, and that he was getting pages the night before they were supposed to be shooting certain scenes. Transformers 2 and Quantum of Solace (both released around the same time) had similar issues due to the strike. At the end of the day, though, the blame hardly matters – the movie exists as is, and that’s what we’re stuck with.

  • DEADP00L

    THIS NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!

  • DEADP00L

    I could have gone the rest of the year without being reminded of this abomination.

  • DEADP00L

    I could have gone the rest of the year without being reminded of this abomination.

  • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

    I couldn’t find a place to mention this in my review, but the X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE video game is amazing. It’s like GOD OF WAR but with Wolverine. It’s ridiculously violent and so much fun. If you have an Xbox 360 or a PS3, I highly recommend picking it up.

    • Lee Harvey Cobblepot

      Second that. I think there actually might be two versions out there, but the one for 360 and PS3 is rated M and is completely sick. Should be dirt cheap these days. My second favorite movie-to-video-game-license this gen, favorite one being “The Bourne Conspiracy”.

      • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

        My favorite is Spider-Man 2, but this isn’t too far behind.

  • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

    I couldn’t find a place to mention this in my review, but the X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE video game is amazing. It’s like GOD OF WAR but with Wolverine. It’s ridiculously violent and so much fun. If you have an Xbox 360 or a PS3, I highly recommend picking it up.

  • seanmanband

    Here’s Origins: Wolverine side by side rough cut visuals against finished product, not much difference. It all looks like a cut scene from Mortal Kombat http://youtu.be/_5AsOEk-ZJU

  • seanmanband

    Is Hugh Jackman as Wolverine the longest running action star playing a single character at now 7 movies? I’m asking, anyone know? Connery as Bond was 6 films, I guess you could could count Harry Potter…

    • World’s Finest Comments

      Connery did 7 if you count Never Say Never Again. It’s not technically an official Bond film, but it’s still Connery playing Bond.
      There will most likely will be more Fast and Furious films after the next one, so Vin might have a shot at the title.

      • seanmanband

        Ah yes, Never Say Never and Vin. Good call

    • TrekBeatTK

      Roger Moore did 7 Bond movies. And William Shatner did 7 Star Trek movies…

    • Superprongs

      Zatoichi? Shintaro Katsu starred in 26 films as Zatoichi.
      In the modern era Hugh Jackman certainly is impressive but this is definitely no record.

    • Kaine Morrison

      Some of the Fast and Furious crew are at 7.
      Roger Moore is at 7 for Bond.
      Connery also did 7 Bond films.
      RDJ when Avengers 3 is done, will have been Tony Stark 7 times as well

      • seanmanband

        Right, cool. Well it seems 7 is the number to beat (in the modern era that is, thanks Superprongs)

    • RiddleThemThis

      Kenpachiro Satsuma wore the godzilla suit for 11 films and Haruo Nakajima wore it for 12 others. Not really sure if that’s the type of thing you were after but everything else I could think of was already mentioned.

      Christopher Lee played Dracula in 10 different films, those aren’t really action films though.

    • Agent777

      Haruo Nakajima played Godzilla 11 times, and is truly a unsung hero in the West. I also found this great list which covers some other actors. Didn;t even think that Bernard “best ‘M’ ever period” Lee did 11 Bond movies, and the wonderful Louis Maxwell did 14 Bond films.

  • cloud720

    I think they did say her power wouldn’t have worked on Logan.
    1st. she told him not to get out the car, but he did anyway
    2nd. Creed flat out told her that her powers don’t work on him, and creed and wolverine have the same power, so it wouldn’t work on wolverine.
    3rd it seemed pretty clear to me that she tried to tell wolverine that her power didn’t work on him, but stryker threatened her with a look

  • Royale With Cheese

    Yeah, this movie was all kinds of bad. That bathroom you scene you mentioned was atrocious. I wanted to walk out of the theater at that point. The guy who played Stryker in this was another bad decision, quite possibly as bad as the casting of Will.I.Am, well, maybe not that bad.

  • http://mattedscreen.blogspot.com/ TheMattedScreen

    I always think it’s telling when the makeup effects guys have to defend their work by putting up their hands and say “not our fault…we tried”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVX6j4fRR8Y

  • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

    Another X-Men film where the studio interefered with the behind the scenes talent creating a terrible/mixed product. I can picture what the studios thought process was on this: “Since we are dealing w a prequel we can whatever we want with the characters. We need to bring in Gambit as he matches the timelines *insert jacking off motion*, Deadpool who’s mouth we’ll cover at the end to really nail the essence of his character *puts gun to own head and fires*, Emma Frost as a teenager and Cyclops in high school as it’ll mirror their ages from the original series *devours a puppy in a single bite*. A cameo from a baby smooth faced Professor X *signs a contract w he who shall not be named*. Oh, and how about Will.I.Am in a role so we can get the sound track poppin? And who can we get to write this masterpiece? Skip Woods!!! The man behind such delights as Hitman and Swordfish will be able to bring this up to par.” *Board room erupts with thunderous applause*
    And who’s idea was it to go all Roger Rabbit with the VFX on this movie? It looked awful.

    • Kaine Morrison

      1 – Voldemort?
      2 – Swordfish is a good movie.

      • http://www.collider.com/ DNAsplitter

        1 – Yes. Glad you caught my reference.
        2 – No. Swordfish was ok at best. It was trying too hard to replicate the same vibe of the Matrix with it’s visual appeal.

  • GrimReaper07

    This is quite honestly one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen.

  • Aquartertoseven

    Look at all of the incredibly lame people thinking they’re cool by posting hyperbole about this film. And really Matt? 4.5/10? That’s just beyond ludicrous. It’s a pretty good film, 7/10. The only comic book films worthy of a 4.5 are Elektra and Catwoman.

    • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

      Pointing out all the flaws in X-Men Origins: Wolverine? SO COOL. We’re going to go out and buy leather jackets now.

      *Flip shades, cue Yello’s “Oh Yeah”*

      • Aquartertoseven

        It’s not nearly as bad as the fanboys scream it is. It’s better than Iron Man 2, Thor 2, Man of Steel, The Amazing Spiderman etc.

      • Scratch89

        It’s a really awful film.

      • Aquartertoseven

        It’s not even remotely awful. I pity for feeling the need to echo the opinions of a very loud, constantly angry and unsatisfied minority in order to feel some sort of acceptance.

      • Scratch89

        That’s quite the leap you made there, buddy. I, personally, thought it was a slapdash POS movie.

      • Person

        It’s laughable that you think this movie is anywhere near the league of Man of Steel, which is at least a top 15 comic book movie, if not top 10.

      • Aquartertoseven

        It’s laughable that you like MoS, when it’s one of the worst superhero films ever made. Anyone over the age of 7 has no excuse in liking it, it’s an empty, emotionally void, bland piece of garbage.

      • rhizomeman

        Agreed. Except MOT was pretty well done, except for the ending battle, which should have showed Sups saving people rather than destroying the city and murdering people.

      • Strong Enough

        pretty sure the city was 99 percent empty when they were fighting

      • Werefon

        Also, when Clark rides bike on a way to Daily Planet, u can see that most of the city and people were not harmed. End to stupid debates.

      • Strong Enough

        thank you. I mean when Superman is fighting the other world machine half a world away time just doesn’t stop in the city. Everybody is hauling ass out of the city to safety. some people just don’t use their brains

      • milo

        So when other people complain about this and X3, they don’t really feel that way but they’re trying to be cool…but when you complain about those four movies it’s your honest opinion? Sure, buddy.

        People are entitled to their opinions. You don’t mind these so much, other people hate them. And other people don’t mind the other movies you mentioned that you think are terrible.

      • Aquartertoseven

        I can justify my opinion as to why they’re not good whereas X3, while being disappointing considering X2, still has plenty of good things about it.

        I don’t think any of them are terrible, more mediocre and forgettable.

    • rhizomeman

      Yea, I agree – It’s not THAT bad Matt. All the nitpicking points you bring up can be brought up in ANY of the other comic book movies – even X2 that everyone seems to think is 2001 (Why doesn’t Jean just get on the fucking plane and use her power while the they hover above the water so she lives???? That was silly and ridiculous).

      I do agree that some of the effects were not yet complete when they released the movie.

  • JBug

    @mattgoldberg:disqus “Weapon X”, not “Weapon XI”

    • http://collider.com Matt Goldberg

      They call Deadpool “Weapon XI” in the film.

      • JBug

        Oh yeah, sorry about that. Check out one of the other comments. Someone had a good explanation about why she didn’t use her powers to convince Logan to join.

  • Django9000

    I recall sitting thru this and turning to another guy on our way out saying – “That wasn’t so bad was it? What’s the big deal? ”
    Then pausing and saying- “although, I can’t remember a single memorable thing about it so, guess that’s not a good sign.”

    We really expect so much from these films, as fans. And the calculus of what is and isn’t forgivable in translating these tales to film really boils down to knowing when filmmakers bowed to marketing committees, instead of fans.

    In the end, only comic films made by and for fans can make that connection – hence, the entire success story of Marvel studios

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