When I first heard that Ben Affleck was going to write and direct a big Hollywood movie and it would be based on a book by Dennis Lehane (â
The film stars Benâs younger brother Casey (whoâs having a fantastic year) and Michelle Monaghan as two private investigators in Boston that are hired by the family of a missing girl to augment the investigation by the Police. Playing some of the cops are Ed Harris and Morgan Freeman â two great actors who always deliver top performances.
Of course nothing in the investigation is simple, and every layer uncovered causing more questions.
So to help promote the film,
As always, you can either read the transcript below or download the audio as an MP3 by clicking here.
âGone Baby Goneâ opens at theaters everywhere this Friday.
Question: Clint Eastwood said at the time of
Ben Affleck: Yes, and if he challenged Clint Eastwood, imagine how he challenged me (laughs).
Iâm talking about in adapting it as well.
Ben Affleck: Yes the adaptation was extremely challenging and I had the benefit of a gifted partner named Aaron Stockard who worked on it with me. It was challenging for a number of reasons, chief among them was that simply on a basic kind of plot level, it was extremely complicated just trying to get all the, not to mention the nuances, but the basic fundamental plot twists seeding enough of the elements that you buy the reveals that happen at the end and understanding simply the basic factual elements of the story was really tough considering tough that you have how many pages that the book is and you have to distill that into an hour and 54 minute movie. It is hard and then you donât want to lose all the wonderful nuances, the texture, the dialog, the ambiance â I picked it really kind of foolishly first of all because I really liked it and because I also thought you know, Iâm not that good at writing plot. I donât really want to write and original story. Iâll find something that has a story architecture that I can fall back on set in a world I understand, and I can work on character and dialog which I feel more confident about. It just turned out that I set myself up for the most difficult job possible.
Well you did it well.
Ben Affleck: Thanks.
Did you have Casey in mind in particular when you were writing the story?
Ben Affleck: I actually was not. The character in the book and the character in the original adaptation was olderâ¦.say 35 or almost as old as 40. It got to the point where the script was completed, started to go as far as looking for an actor. I wasnât still really happy how I was feeling about this whole story arc and couldnât find an actor really and thought what if I make him younger and make him 29, 30 somewhere in there and that I thought gave him more to lose and somewhere to go and thought if youâre 40 and something bad happens to you, itâs scarring but it doesnât really change you fundamentally. But if heâs 10 years younger maybe it could sort of put a fork in the road of your life. Then I thought, and, it lets me cast this great actor who knows
You never thought of starring in this yourself?
Ben Affleck: Initially I wanted to. When I first optioned it or went to the guy who had the rights with Aaron and said let us just try and adapt this. I thought maybe Iâd just adapt it, weâd go to director and Iâd act in it. That was the idea. But then as I got more and more invested in itâ¦first I didnât think it worked as a screenplay and we just hadnât done a very good job, and then I thought we did a mediocre job, and then we thought we had done an OK job and then I thought maybe I should direct it, and then I thought I canât direct and act in it. So it just sort of shifted because I was terrified of acting and directingâ¦the thought was completely daunting. The idea of directing, alone, was terrifying much lessâ¦I donât know how in the world guys like Clint Eastwood manage to do Unforgiven or Dances with Wolves is every shot youâre in it and acting and it just seems incredibly difficult.
How did you know that Amy could do this accent so well?
Ben Affleck: I was auditioning people; I was really concerned. This part is pivotal. The mother needs to be, sheâs vial, yet I wanted to find somebody you could evenâ¦there are moments in the movie where you empathize with her. You feel like this is a woman whose child has been taken and you feel for her and you recognize her humanity and yet, she should be also repugnant in some ways. Then there are times when you recognize she is a victim in her own way of her own upbringing. All this complexity in this character and I had read a ton of actors. And sheâs a drug addict and sheâs skanky. I had read all these actresses in
Is there anything that surprised you about Casey now that you were directing him? Did you see him in a different light or was it business as usual?
Ben Affleck: You know I have respect for him so itâs a weird thing to say I have more respect for him but you see someone in a different light seeing how talented he isâ¦I was really struck by that and impressed by that. He was brave. And I got to see that he had a fearlessness that I really admired. And I really was just so satisfied and kind of felt personally rewarded by the fact that I saw that he wasâ¦it got to a point halfway through where I was just like he was going to be really good in this movie. It just makes me so happy. I know on some level there are people who thought oh heâs just casting his brother. And there were some people around and they were going to see the movie and they were going to see that he was wrong.
Itâs interesting in the fact that heâs never had a leading role before but itâs interesting in the fact where a couple of us were at the Jesse James press conference, he was there and there was tons of press. He didnât want to say anything. Heâs obviously very proud of the performance but he doesnât want to step into the shadows by the roles heâs taken. Did you feel you were kind of pushing him into the role?
Ben Affleck: It was a new thing for him just in terms of that role. He has played leads before like Lonesome Jim and Me and Jerry but those are more unconventional films. This is a much more conventional movie so there were definitely ways in which he was in new territory even though heâs been acting for 15 years, I donât know how longâ¦a long time. And thereâs two distinct and separate arenas. Thereâs the work that you do as an actor in the movie when they turn the camera on and they point it at you and you talk or donât talk. Then there is this arena here where you come in and talk to people and communicate with members of the press and talk, or donât talk. Yet those two obviously have some overlap and they have a relationship with one another. And a lot of people make no distinction between those two yet they are totally separate. So the evolution in his navigation of those two things, the one, the acting thing, he gets and he can do. Itâs a small adjustment. The other is a bigger adjustment. Iâm confident that heâll make that. And heâs been around a lot of people who have done a lot of moviesâ¦itâs not his first time like being around like Wow, thereâs a lot of cameras here. But still itâs a bigger transition. So if heâs being quiet at the Jesse James press junket, itâs probably because heâs just like taking it in and thatâs maybe not a bad thing.
Were you guys always in sync on this project or were there times you maybe disagreed?
Ben Affleck: Sure, there were times we disagreed. Youâre not doing the right thing kind of if youâre always agreeing, thatâs a bad thing. The worst mistakes Iâve made creatively have been when Iâve just always agreed. Iâve just made terrible mistakes just agreeing with folks, Jesus (laughs). We made a lot of stuff a lot better just going through like what are you talking about, why you want to do that, well that doesnât make sense and almost always the scenes got better doing that. Sometimes we maybe talked ourselves in circles and thatâs the nature of the creative process. Heâs very smart. Heâs a very smart guy and he focuses always on making the scene better and the movie better. I think heâs the guy you want doing a movie with you because you know heâs a really good actor and heâs a really good protagonist in the sense that you know protagonists are on camera for most of the movie so he needs to be kind of interesting. Casey is really authentically thinking and living and surprising and engaged throughout while youâre photographing him and giving you a wide array of stuff to use. And also engaging you and kind of challenging you to make sure that you know what youâre doing and you have an answer for these questions while youâre making the movie.
What does it feel like being part of this
Ben Affleck: I mean to be in a Boston trilogy itâs kind of like thatâs Everest, Kilimanjaro and you (laughs). Obviously, those are towering giants. Iâm just happy to get my movie made, man, you know, those guys are legendary filmmakers and this movie is just a little movie that Iâm glad to get out there and hope that people go see and I hope that people like. I will be pleased that if in 40 years that I get some portion of those guysâ great successâ¦some fraction of that would be wonderful. For now, Iâm just trying to just cobble together a little directing career. Part two involves a different kind of answer. No, what Iâve learned from Kevin Smith isâ¦in a way this movie has a very simple actor focused feel to it and itâs similar in some ways to a Kevin movie. Kevinâs got a little bit more verbally rigorous like writing focus. He doesnât permit any deviation of the word whereas this is like itâs OK to change a syllable or two. One of the things I learned from Kevin is that he really pays attention to language and this is definitely something I took away from him, the rhythm of language and how actors sound and thatâs something I really came to appreciate working with him. I think thatâs something thatâs really important, like not just what they say, but the cadence of how they say it and also make stories that oftentimes are being told in the interestâ¦just holding your interest. Kevinâs kind of relying a lot of times, the raw power of the writing and the importance of the writing and thatâs always been the centerpiece of his movies. Itâs a reminder that thatâs the underpinning of movies and I think thatâs a really good thing to learn and remember.
Working with Kevin, did you know that you already wanted to direct. What triggered you?
Ben Affleck: Working with Kevin, I mean when I first worked with him in I think â93 in Mallrats, and I didnât know anything in â93. I was very new and just trying to figure things out. But over the course of working with him, I just became really good friends with him and picked up a lot from him and from the other people we worked with and just tried to study and learn from him as I have from all the directors Iâve worked with and over the course of that time developed an increasing interest in trying to direct.
What do you think about the difficult moral choice that Caseyâs character has to make at the end of the film?
Ben Affleck: Obviously itâs the choice thatâs presented in the book, but in terms of trying to convey it in the movie, I tried to present it as provocatively as I could in the sense that I wanted it to feel really difficult. I think itâs a tough choice and underneath it, thereâs this sort of pull between these sort of classic things in our society whether weâre willing to forgive people or judge them, whether we think itâs OK for us to make decision for other peopleâ¦if the right thing was easy, everybody would do it. The idea that Casey really believes that once heâs â I donât want to give this whole thing away so Iâm trying to figure out what to say that wonât give it away â but you know the movie Rules of the Game? I stole a line from it where at the end of the movie she says âeveryone has their reasonsâ and itâs like his accusation really is that everybody is kind of rationalizing their actions based on their own self interests. In other words, youâre all sort of claiming this moral high ground but really itâs just based on what you all want to doâ¦you just want to have this girl and heâs the one doing the difficult thing and sometimes the thing that doesnât seem pleasant or totally right or totally comfortable but itâs right. And if itâs the right thing based on the rules that we have set down, the reason the rules are there is that theyâre there to protect us from our own subjective prejudices and those are the things we have to follow. And itâs really difficult to make those choices. But we have to make them. Thatâs a strong argument and yet when youâre sitting there, at the end of the movie with the choice that heâs made, itâs profoundly ugly and disturbing. So the idea was to try and set both those things up as strongly as I could and build both arguments as strongly as possible so that they would be at loggerheads with one another because I thought it was a coming of age movie, not like American Pie like losing your virginity kind of movieâ¦that coming of age kind of movie. Iâm not disparaging American Pie but that level of age of teen or early 20s. Real coming of age meaning like you become an adult is like 30 I think because itâs around the time you discover that the decisions you make in life have lasting, real consequences and that you never really know if youâre right or wrong. That there is no answer, there is no end of the book to turn to tell you Oh, actually I made a mistake there. And oftentimes those decisions have real consequences, not only for yourself but for other people. At the end of the day all you can do is live with them and try to be at peace with them.
I just wanted to ask you if had any Project Greenlight like moment in there where it was one of those things in terms of first time director. Obviously youâve been exposed more than people that were there, but just kind of like having a momentâ¦
Ben Affleck: They did tell me that I was running out of film at one point (laughs). I was shooting too much film and I was running out of film. I was like Whereâs the film store? Is there a place that is selling film. They were like the film store is in