On Episode 15 (called “The Scarecrow”) of the Fox series Gotham, Jim Gordon (Ben McKenzie) and Harvey Bullock (Donal Logue) set out to stop Gerald Crane (Julian Sands), a biology teacher who has been harvesting the glands of his murder victims. He’s a man on a mission to eradicate the emotion of fear, which he sees as a hindrance in the development of the human species.
During this exclusive interview with Collider, actor Donal Logue talked about the biggest surprises that have come with being a part of Gotham, why he wishes he could hang out in the writers’ room, how nice it is to have the job security of already knowing they’ll have a Season 2, wanting to go darker, that he’d love to see some of Harvey Bullock’s home life, and why working with Jim Gordon is a case by case adjustment for Harvey.
DONAL LOGUE: One thing that’s interesting is that whenever something starts, like the school year when you were a kid, it feels like such a significantly huge time in your life and how much life has changed. What’s surprising is how quickly it’s going by. All of a sudden, we’re almost done with Season 1 and they’re talking about doing Season 2. It’s going fast. Harvey Bullock hasn’t been as deeply involved in the last couple of months, as I was initially, so it’s a bit different. I feel a little bit more on the outside. But, I’m more excited about seeing all these different people doing different stuff on the show. It’s hard for me, with my Catholic guilt. I’m like, “Just give me shit to do, man. I’m there, and I’m willing to work hard.” We have a lot of cool guests that come on. It’s been cool to see The Riddler become darker and funkier. It’s great. He’s been having to play, I wouldn’t say a restrained note, but this weird Edward Nygma note, and now he gets a crack. It’s good.
How much fun has it been to have Cory Michael Smith pop in and out at unexpected moments?
LOGUE: He commits to it. What’s great is that I’m so used to him in that persona that when he cracks it, it’s gonna be cool. I was watching Cory in the trailer for Olive Kitteridge, as a young man in a car, just talking, and then he’s Pee-Wee Herman style on the show. We’re tight. We have a good group of people. It’s not surprising, but it’s just the way that world gets, organically, when you get to know each other really well. When the camera is rolling and you’re doing the scene, when you’re hyper-aware that that’s what you’re doing, it’s never as natural and great and organic as it can be. What’s awesome about working on this is that, in the lunchroom we hang out with everybody, just talking about life and joking, and we have a camaraderie on the set. We hope we’re successful enough at doing this to ensure ourselves the chance to hang out, all day. It’s just hanging out. I’m a professional hanger outer. I’m a super liability, too. I joke around and I’m like a hyper-active child.
LOGUE: It would be so cool to get into the storytelling of it, as well. When you’re wrapped up in something that’s 24 hours a day, you’re wrangling with those issues all day. I don’t know what’s coming down the pike in Gotham. Part of me goes, “Man, I just wish I could be in the writers’ room. Do you need someone to make you guys coffee?” I just want to be a part of the flow of it. There are so many cool worlds that can unfold.
Having been in the business as long as you have, how nice is it to know that you have a second season before you finish the first?
LOGUE: I’ve never had a Season 2 before I’ve been done with Season 1. That’s never happened to me before. It’s crazy! I’ve never had that security. My kids are here (in L.A.), so that’s hard. It’s not hard. I’m not gonna say shit’s hard because it’s a blessing, but this has been a long three years for my children, who are teenagers. I’ve just gotta figure out how to get more committed to getting back, every second that I can, to Los Angeles. It’s amazing. It provides us with our life, but I don’t want to be a shitty dad. I don’t want to be around only to be like, “We’re going to the World Series for Fox,” which is the way it’s going down. They’re cool. They understand. They’re young men, and we can really talk about stuff. I’ve never had this kind of security before, so I’m appreciative of it.
What do you enjoy most about playing Harvey Bullock, and what would you still like to see with him?
LOGUE: I want to see it go darker, and I’d like to go home with him. I have that stuff all explored in my own mind, whether we show it or not. Every once in awhile, when he’s braggadocio about his love life, it would be fun to see what his internal life is.
LOGUE: It’s on a case by case basis. It changes a lot. Sometimes he’s the asshole who doesn’t like Jim Gordon. Sometimes he loves him to death. It changes. We’re on top of it because sometimes it doesn’t always track. Harvey was dying to get Jim back from Arkham, but then he says something casual. We help smooth the storytelling out completely and track the logic of everything. I don’t know what the hell is going to happen at the end of the season. I guess it’s going to be some big dramatic arc. I honestly don’t know what happens a couple days beyond the next bit of filming.
At least, if there is a big cliffhanger, you know there will be some resolution in Season 2.
LOGUE: Gotham is such a big world. I was a guest on Vikings, Law & Order and Copper, and even for those short periods, there’s something about you, as an antagonist, where the plot points are so intense that you’ve gotta die because you can’t stay. I’m just adjusting to this new role.
Are there any characters that you would love to see Harvey Bullock tangle with, in some way?
LOGUE: I wanna be the villain. Villains have fun. There’s no real specific person. Just from a fan point of view, the Scarecrow’s stuff was really interesting. I know this show is pretty broad, but I want it to terrify when it’s terrifying. Every once in awhile, when you can see shades of the person’s real interior life, I think that’s interesting.
Gotham airs on Monday nights on Fox.