Mireille Enos and Joel Kinnaman Talk THE KILLING Season 2, WORLD WAR Z, and the ROBOCOP Reboot

     March 30, 2012


The AMC drama series The Killing, returning for its second season on April 1st, ties together three distinct stories around a single murder – the detectives assigned to the case, the victim’s grieving family, and the suspects. While Season 1 was all about questions and red herrings, Season 2 promises to start uncovering the answers while delving into and exploring the notion that everyone has past secrets that are now coming back to haunt them. And, the resolution of who killed Rosie Larson (Katie Findlay) will be answered at the conclusion of this season.

At a press day for the show, co-stars Mireille Enos (who plays homicide detective Sarah Linden) and Joel Kinnaman (who plays Linden’s partner, Stephen Holder) talked about their surprise over the fan reaction for the Season 1 finale, how the marketing of the show mismanaged expectations for viewers, that the stakes will get more and more intense in Season 2, how neither of them knows the identity of the killer yet (they’ve shot 11 of 13 episodes so far this season), and how all of the relationship dynamics will play out. Enos also talked about how much fun she had playing Brad Pitt’s wife in World War Z and working with the incredible ensemble cast in Gangster Squad, while Kinnaman talked about what he’s looking forward to with taking on the lead role in the RoboCop reboot, which starts shooting in August. Check out what they had to say after the jump:

Mireille-Enos-Joel-Kinnaman-the-killing-season-2Question: What was your reaction to the fan reaction for the finale? Were you surprised that there was such an outcry?

MIREILLE ENOS: I was totally baffled because it’s such a character-driven piece that it seems clear to me, if you love these characters, you want to spend more time with them. Once Rosie’s case is solved, these people go away. Anyway, I loved the ending.

JOEL KINNAMAN: I was also very surprised at the extend of it. It was like an earthquake. People were furious. They were like, “You stole my life!”

Were you on Twitter, reading what people had to say?

KINNAMAN: No, I ended my Twitter account a week after I got on the show. I felt like, “This is not a good tool for me to keep my narcissism at bay,” so I cut it off. And I’m happy that I wasn’t on Twitter when this whole thing came around. But, I can understand it. I think there were some mismanaged expectations.

ENOS: In terms of the marketing.

KINNAMAN: There was a marketing thing that said, “Tune in for the last episode and find out who killed Rosie Larsen.” I can understand that people felt a little bit tricked, and that was unfortunate. From a creative standpoint, we knew all along, exactly what story we were telling. We knew that we were in for a 26-episode mystery that followed the original Danish timeline, almost exactly. They had 20 one-hour episodes and we have 26 45-minute episodes.

What can you tell us about Season 2?

KINNAMAN: Well, I killed her. I just got mad. I was just angry. She pissed me off, so I killed her, threw her in the back of the trunk and tossed her in the water. What are you gonna do?

ENOS: What is true about the second season is that we are beyond the red herrings. Every new piece of information is part of the actual puzzle. It’s the end game, and the stakes just keep getting more and more intense.

Mireille-Enos-Joel-Kinnaman-the-killing-season-2Do you know who killed Rosie Larsen?

ENOS: No. We don’t yet. We’re only on Episode 11, of shooting.

How much do you know about the full arc of your character?

KINNAMAN: I’m almost admitting something here, but I know everything about my character. But, I don’t know the killer.

ENOS: (Showrunner) Veena [Sud] is very happy to sit down and tell us our backstory and how these things relate to our psyche. We just don’t know the actual murder plot.

Do you want to know, or are you happy to be blissfully ignorant?

ENOS: I’m happy to be ignorant. I’ve always said that I think that I will be really sad when I find out because it’s such a horrifying thing to have done that whoever has it on their hands, it’s very hard to imagine redemption for that person. I’m happy to keep it until the last moment.

Did you expect this show would become the hit that it has?

Mireille-Enos-Joel-Kinnaman-the-killing-season-2ENOS: Well, AMC has had such an awesome track record, and the pilot script was excellent. I had worked with the casting directors before, on Big Love, and so I knew that they’re really gifted at pulling together a strange, wonderful ensemble. That’s part of what they’re the best at. So, it seemed like the potential was there.

Mireille, how is the relationship between Sarah and her son this season?

ENOS: Sarah and Jack’s relationship continues to be complicated and strained.

KINNAMAN: She’s going into politics, and I’m going to be her campaign manager.

After the events of last season, what can you say about the Linden-Holder dynamic, going forward?

KINNAMAN: Well, Linden and Holder’s relationship will continue to be complicated and strained. Obviously, it’s getting very complicated. Holder has made some bad choices. How pre-meditated those choices are, we’ll find out. That’s going to have severe consequences on the trust between them. Linden is not the most trusting person, anyway. They’re definitely going to have some difficulty getting back together. Holder is a very fragile character. He’s six months sober and he needs stability in his life, but instead he’s in this very high-profile investigation and he’s making some choices. She became one of the stable points of his life, and now that’s all shattered. He has some rough times, coming up.

Mireille-Enos-the-killing-season-2Have either of seen the original series, Forbrydelsen?

ENOS: I haven’t. I’ve avoided it.

KINNAMAN: One of the big differences between the original and our series is that my character is completely different, so I had no fear of being influenced in a wrong way that would set traps for my creativity. So, I watched the whole thing in two days. I was obsessed with it. I was on my knees, in my hotel room, crying with my whole face, like a baby. I’m a crybaby.

Do you like the fact that there’s no room for vanity on this show?

ENOS: I love it because it’s authentic. It’s how an officer would actually dress herself. It’s practical. It’s true, so it’s great.

KINNAMAN: It’s very nice to be in a show where your vanity is completely out of the picture. The characters are completely un-vain. They both are, very much so.

Joel, will Holder get a new hoodie this season?

ENOS: He has a couple different ones.

KINNAMAN: You didn’t think they worked? I thought it was a nice hoodie. That’s why I kept it. Apparently, you didn’t like it. No, I have a new hoodie and a new jacket. I actually changed twice.

What’s it been like for you to explore the unique dynamic in your partnership? Did you enjoy getting to do that episode in Season 1, that was pretty much just the two of you?

KINNAMAN: That was one of my favorite weeks of my career. It was really great.

Joel-Kinnaman-the-killing-season-2ENOS: It was my all-time favorite.

KINNAMAN: We were also with Nicole Kassell, who comes back and directs two episodes in the second season. I don’t know if you’ve seen The Woodsman, but I think it’s a brilliant movie. She’s a brilliant director. So, it was great to do that with her, too. I had a lot of fun. It’s great. There’s nothing that comes up in my mind that reminds me of this relationship. It feels very unique. And, it’s fun. It’s two very flawed people that are very different, but as the story goes along, I think we find them to be more and more similar. They both come from broken homes and they’ve both grown up without parents, and their strengths as police officers are also their weaknesses as human beings and in their personal lives. They do have some common ground, even though it manifests in very different ways.

Mireille, is Sarah’s fiancé going to be back this season and will there be any conclusion to their relationship?

ENOS: Callum [Keith Rennie] is in the second season. There is no hard and fast conclusion, one way or another. Something that’s interesting for me to remind myself is that two seasons of this show is only 26 days, which is a little less than a month. In complicated relationship dynamics and heartbreak, things aren’t necessarily resolved in that amount of time. If you’re going to marry someone, maybe you can be mad for a few weeks and it can still work out. You can tell that I’m still holding out hope, but there’s no clear resolution, one way or another.

KINNAMAN: That’s something I also want to say to all the angry fans. Solving a very complicated murder in 13 days is not easy. Give us a little more time. Come on! Give us at least 26 days. That’s not even a month!

What are your all-time favorite TV shows?

ENOS: I don’t watch television because I have a tiny baby daughter. I’m useless.

KINNAMAN: I think The Wire is my all-time favorite TV show. It’s so brilliant, the way it critiques society, and how it handles that everybody who gets power loses their moral code and stops going to the root of the problem and just tries to maintain their own power. How they did that over five seasons, I thought it was just completely genius. I’m watching all the AMC shows. I love Breaking Bad. I’d watch Bryan Cranston read the phone book, for days. And, I really love Mad Men, too. It’s just such a unique show. You’re just engulfed in that world. The details are so perfect, it’s cast so well and it’s just compelling. And, I love Homeland, too. If there was ever a performance worthy of Mireille not winning the Emmy, Claire Danes was incredible in that. That was really a strong performance.

How has it been to work with AMC, as a network?

ENOS: It’s populated with these really young, hip artists, who have a voice, but who are also really interested in allowing you to do your work.

KINNAMAN: I wouldn’t call Ben Davis hip, though. He wants to be. He has these little hipster glasses. But, I don’t see it.

This show has led to massive opportunities for the both of you, outside of the show. Mireille, could you ever have imagined that you’d play Brad Pitt’s wife (in World War Z)?

ENOS: Yeah, it’s opened amazing doors. I had so much fun, working on that movie. I had been whining to my husband (actor Alan Ruck) for years, going, “You know, I’ve done theater and I’ve done TV, and I just can’t seem to crack that movie thing.” And then, my first film ever was this huge tent pole movie, playing Brad Pitt’s wife. He was like, “I’m done listening to you, ever.” So, it was very exciting. And then, I got to also work on Gangster Squad, which had this incredible cast. I had a great time on that movie. It’s going to be really, really fun.

Joel, you’re already pretty famous in Sweden, right?


joel-kinnaman-robocopAre you prepared for all of this attention in the States now? When do you start shooting RoboCop?

KINNAMAN: I start shooting that in August. It’s gonna be really fun! It’s frustrating when you come over here, especially from a position that I was in, in Sweden, where most people know who you are, but then you come here. There’s also a different financing system with movies here. Mid-range to low-budget movies have to have a name in the lead to get financing for it. So, I was meeting a lot of directors and reading scripts, and I was like, “Well, I’d love to play this part,” but I couldn’t. You’re not able to do a lot of projects because you don’t have a name. I wanted to get my movies to come over that hedge, so that I could do the movies that I wanted to do.

What will José Padilha bring to the film?

KINNAMAN: With RoboCop, I couldn’t be happier because it’s such a quality director. He’s a young master. I don’t know if you’ve seen Elite Squad 1 and 2, but if you haven’t, you really should see them. They’re quite incredible. So, he’s a very smart man who’s going to do a very smart movie. If you’ve seen those movies, you know he can portray action.

the-killing-season-2-posterThe original RoboCop had such a specific tone and voice, and it was very satirical. Will this be going for a similar thing?

KINNAMAN: I’m such a huge fan of the original. I think I’ve seen the first RoboCop, 15 or 20 times. I’m like a kid, that way. And, I love all of [Paul] Verhoeven’s movies. He has a very special tone. I love Starship Troopers, too. I think he really could portray fascism in a comedic way. It’s funny because both José [Padilha] and Verhoeven were accused of being fascists for their movies because they had fascist leads. So, it’s not going to have his tone, but there’s going to be political satire in it.

Do you know if you are going to go for an R rating or a PG-13?

KINNAMAN: I sincerely hope they’re going for R ‘cause I can’t imagine how RoboCop could be PG-13. That would be a huge mistake. If I have any say in it, I will fight very hard for it because it has to be violent.

The Killing will air on Sunday nights on AMC, following its two-hour Season 2 premiere on April 1st.