All you really need to know isâ¦the performances are all top notch. Sean Penn is Harvey Milk.
And this is a film you really need to see.
Anyway, I recently was able to participate in roundtable interviews with most of the cast and the one below is with Josh Brolin.
As always, you can either read the transcript below or listen to the audio by clicking here. Again, âMilkâ is opening in limited release tomorrow. I definitely recommend it.
Q: How familiar were you with the story and how did you get involved with the production?
Josh Brolin: I was somewhat familiar with the story, not intimately familiar with the story. I had known who
Q: You really humanized your character, Dan White, and didnât portray him as a simple villain or a homophobe. Did you have any thoughts on that when you were researching him?
Josh: On whether he was a homophobe or not? Personally I think who cares because I donât think that was his motive. I think if you look at the relationship, especially in the beginning, between him and Dan White, they come fromâ¦I mean theyâre polar opposites. Dan White was put in there, put in that situation by the Fire Department and by the Police Department to really bring back San Francisco to what it was founded on, this kind of white, super-white, Catholic mentality. Itâs an impossibility. You just canât do it. I donât care what kind of politician you are. You canât do it. And the gay and lesbian movement had taken its own life, and the hippie movement and all that. So, you know, he was given an impossible task. Also, he didnât have the foresight, he didnât have the wherewithal and the political skills to realize, hey, this is happening right now, itâs going to hit a peak, it will start to bleed into the mainstream, and then Iâll have my time, and to look for those opportunities. He just got more frustrated and more frustrated. He was the big fish in the small pond in his district, then he was suddenly the very small fish in a huge sea of City Hall and he go more frustrated, but I think he tried to do the right thing. Thatâs when I started seeing the human. He tried to. He was frustrated because he wanted more money and $9,600 a year, thatâs nothing. He had the kids and the wife and all that and then at Pier 39, he started a little chip stand where he was trying to make more money, and then he tried to resign and then they wouldnât let him resign. They were saying, âGet back in there. You have to do this for us. You are the great white hope.â And then Mayor Moscone wouldnât take him back in. So, I understand on a very human, basic level when all your power is taken away, and youâre sitting there and your legacy is just nothing, itâs dirt, with your family, with your friends, with your community, everything, and you think, the only tangible thing I can do, the only garnering of power that I have left is to grab a gun, load the gun, point the gun, shoot the gun, kill the person, cause and effect. Thatâs the only tangible thing I can imagine at that moment. I donât excuse it obviously but I understand that desperation.
Q: He seemed like he felt he was an outsider which is especially evident in the scene where heâs drunk and heâs talking to Harvey Milk outside the party thatâs filled with people who have been outsiders their entire life and suddenly Dan White is the outsider.
Josh: That scene was very simple in the way it was written. It was a scene where Iâm supposed to meet with
Q: That would have been great though [inaudible because of overlapping voices]
Josh: I think so too. I think it would have been great too. You know, Gus is such a visionary.
Q: He suggests that he sees something in him that he might be struggling with himself in terms of his own sexuality.
Josh: Maybe, maybe, and it is a possibility.
Q: Were you jealous you didnât get a chance to kiss Sean?
Josh: [sexy voice] Yeah. We did so afterwards.
Q: Did you feel you had a little more freedom playing Dan versus playing George Bush in âWâ where everybody kind of knows the voice and the idiosyncrasies?
Josh: Oh, for sure. Thereâs hindsight so you have a little liberty in being able to interpret even though I think I focused more with Dan White in getting down the voice and doing these things that I wanted to do because it was a very particular time. Itâs only 10 months. With âW,â itâs 37 years. Itâs just daunting. Even when I think about it now, I get all verclemped. You go, how am I going to do this because itâs not just one character? With âW,â youâre playing 7 or 8 or 9 different characters. Youâre playing milestones, youâre playing generations. Not an easy task. I would not do it again. Itâs much easier to play Dan White, but much tougher emotionally than Bush. Bush is going through all his things but there were always filters, filters, filters. Bush has that great ability to have his conviction and not reassess it, not test it. Dan White was the opposite, constantly questioning his position so thatâs why in watching it, itâs very satisfying to say okay, thereâs a lot of colors going on there, thereâs a lot, but itâs no fun to play.
Q: But on the other side, in the communities that knew Dan White, are they just as scrutinous of your performance as the nation might have been for âWâ?
Josh: No, no, not at all. Itâs funny because I was staying at -- letâs see if I get this right -- my ex-wifeâs brotherâs apartment that was overlooking the Castro. I did all my shopping and grocery shopping in the Castro. Iâd walk down the hill and Iâd do my shopping and I was afraid. I knew that
Q: Whatâs interesting was the walk that he took when he first shot the Mayor and then he had to walk all the way around.
Josh: That was my idea. That was my idea because Gus had this great shot in Elephant following that kid forever. To me, itâs one of the most brilliant shots Iâve ever seen and I just wanted to be involved in a shot. But I said whyâ¦itâs really curious to me, itâs really interesting to me because he shot Mayor Moscone and then he walked the entirety of City Hall. Thatâs a 3-1/2 minute walk, man. And we did the walk together and I said, âYouâve gotta have that shot. Youâve gotta have that shot, please.â He used part of it and thatâs cool.
Q: The emotion of your character is interesting. Itâs like a wave going up and then it explodes at the end and never comes down. How do you contain yourself emotionally to get to the next level each time because the tension just kept building through this movie?
Josh: I create graphs because Iâm a day trader so thatâs what works for me, and I go, thatâs the support right now, thatâs resistance, thatâs testing the support in the story, thatâs going and testing resistance, it breaks resistance, then thereâs a major fall because of news or whatever, and thatâs how I do the character. For me, I use very specific things that Iâve always used that Iâve come up with that allows me to get into a state that hopefully parallels what heâs going through in the story. And then, sometimes, it just takes a life of its own and sometimes you get it wrong. Sometimes you allow a moment to take on a life of its own and be its own entity and then you see it in the movie and go âWhoa! Thatâs so the wrong direction. Whoops!â In this movie, you know, you just get lucky, like what happened in the drunk scene. That couldâve not turned out good.
Q: Was the final sequence one consecutive shot where you go through the window from outside to come into City Hall all the way up through the shootings?
Josh: Yeah. We wanted to do that whole sequence together because it was an emotional sequence. And thatâs what he did, he came in through the window. It was that window he came in through.
Q: I always thought he was the most complicated character in the tragedy. Were you conscious of that from the beginning and did you find that an extra challenge?
Josh: Emotionally complicated. Simple, you know, as a cosmetic. You see him and heâs pretty simpleminded, but emotionally, you know, thatâs why when people say âWhy is the guy sympathetic?â And I go, âNo, heâs just human.â Again, not to excuse it, but itâs more interesting to me to see him go through all these emotions. There was the one shot toward the end before the dawn where he shoots
Q: What has this year been like for you from âNo Country for Old Menâ coming out to âWâ to this?
Josh: [joking] Awful. I would never want to do it again. [laughs] No, itâs been good. Itâs been really good. Whatâs great about it is the filmmakers. The filmmakers can really make a difference and I love who these people are because whatâs the throughline between Oliver and Gus and the Coens and Woody Allen and all these people is because theyâre all nerds, man. They love filmmaking, they love storytelling, and I do too. Theyâre not about the ego, theyâre not about the status of it, they just want final cut on their movies because they want to be totally â which I have so much respect for â they want to be totally responsible for the stories that they tell.
Q: Have you noticed Josh Brolin becoming more of a household name?
Josh: No. No. If I was doing Heroes, maybe.
Q: You will be playing a comic book character soon. Youâre doing Jonah Hex, right?
Josh: Nope.
Q: Youâre not doing Jonah Hex?
Josh: Donât know yet.
Q: Have you had meetings with Mark (Neveldine) and Brian (
Josh: No.
Q: Do you want to?
Josh: Donât know. I have a very tough time deciding, except for âMilk.â I donât know what Iâm going to do. I donât know. Itâs a very good time. Itâs a very good time and I donât want to slight anybody and I donât want to insult anybody, but the fact of the matter is with more decisions comes a little more pressure. For me, I just try and find that thing that really resonates. Thereâs one thing that Tony Scottâs doing that I love and that I really want to do, and trying to find the timing and all thatâ¦
Q: Which is?
Josh: I canât tell you.
Q: The studios seem to be gearing up for major productions come February and March. There seems to be a lot coming. Is that the reason why youâre so hesitant about Jonah Hex because thereâs so much about to launch?
Josh: Not entirely. No, no. A little, little bit, a little bit because of more possibilities and all that, but no. I think Jonah Hex is a really, really interesting story. I think it would be risky also which I like and I donât know if itâs the thing to do. Got me all fucked up now. [laughs]
Q: Why do you have such a hard time deciding?
Josh: Because itâs my process, man. Itâs just like when I play a character. I carry around a memo pad and I write a thousand questions. I like to ask myself those questions before I start a movie so Iâm not in the middle of the movie going, what did I do? I want to give myself entirely to the film and to the filmmaker when I decide to do the movie. So, I would rather go through all the crap before that and if it doesnât turn out, thatâs okay. Thatâs when I donât worry about it because I know I went into it with the right intentions. I always have to weigh out, why am I going into this? Is it the characters? Is it the story? Is it the filmmakers? Is it the other actors that I can round up? Is it greed? Is it money? Is it the fact that theyâre offering me a lot of money? Yeah, thatâs nice. I donât get paid, man. I do the art films or whatever. Character actor, fuck that. Itâs a nice trajectory and I love working with great filmmakers, like I said. I would also work with a first time filmmaker. If I see his reel and I go, âOh my god, this guyâs amazing.â Thereâs a great commercial director in
Q: Does it also have to do with the fact that some comic book movies can be totally great like the Dark Knight and then you could have Fantastic Four which is total crap?
Josh: I think itâs all good. Thereâs no genre thatâs off limits to me. I would love to be able to go through all genres. To me, itâs not the genre. Itâs like, oh âTransformersâ is a piece of shit because itâs this, that and that. Itâs not necessarily. It is what it is. It might not be right for me. I love action movies. I love all kinds of movies. I donât just want to doâ¦oh this has to be, itâs so precious. But I donât want to do a movieâ¦Iâll give you an example and Iâll say it, âHollow
Q: Is there any theater on your agenda?
Josh: Yeah. We have a theater company here in
Q: Speaking of
Josh: [joking] It was hard, man. It was hard.
Q: You talk about your process and getting ready for things and SNL is kaotic.
Josh: [laughs] I didnât have much of a process. I donât know. I think part of it wasâ¦I mean it was a lot of fun and theyâre amazing. I mean theyâre a lot of fun. I hadnât watched the show a lot so I didnât know a lot of what was going on. Honestly, I think they didnât know what to do with me because Iâve done all these heavy movies recently. If I went back, I think it would be twice as fun.
Q: Do you have a favorite skit that you did?
Josh: The Dirk, Dickinâ, Dunkinâ Dirk, whatever. The Suzy Orman Show, that was pretty fun. And I liked the Country thing, Iâm No Angel, with Amy Poehler. She was funny. I had fun doing it. Itâs ridiculous.
Q: Your dad is a 70âs actor and youâve been compared to a lot of 70âs actors.
Josh: No, Iâve just done a lot of movies that take place in the 70s.
Q: But even the way you look, the way you act.
Josh: [joking] Itâs the moustache.
Q: Do you think the 70âs are part of the last golden age of cinema?
Josh: No.
Q: No?
Josh: No.
Q: I know a lot of actors and directors that talk about the 70s would agree with you.
Josh: People like to say that. There were great actors. There were great filmmakers and great movies and a lot of my favorite films. But there are other films too. âDog Day Afternoon,â âThe French Connection,â âFrench Connection IIâ actually. Amazing. But there are a lot of great movies coming out now. Independent films now remind people of the 70âs because films cost less in the 70âs so therefore it has a similar look. This whole thing about going back to the 70âs and just living in hindsight I think is wrong because there are so many stories to be able to twist and mix up. âMilkâ is a perfect example. You take Gus and he can do âGoodwill Huntingâ and then he can do â
Josh: Hey, let me ask you guys a question, whatâd you think of âCrankâ?
Q: Neveldine and Taylor are fucking awesome. They are just great and I want to see you in that universe.
Josh: Why do you think theyâre awesome?
Q: Because they just do shoot that nobody else does. They shoot on rollerblades. Itâs like the shots that they get are crazy. Theyâre just exciting filmmakers and theyâre good people.
Josh: They are good people. Theyâre very good people. Okay, I gotta go. Iâm very interested in this.